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> What about something being believably prior rather than just temporally
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Then it's a proposition. Logic applies.
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I am having fun seeing to what extent I can make snowclones of the
temporality-causation pattern, and thinking about how the concept of
entailment corresponds to these various modal logical notions. Please do not
feel compelled to respond.
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I am having fun seeing to what extent I can make snowclones of the
temporality-causation pattern, and thinking about how the concept of
entailment corresponds to these various modal logical notions. Please do not
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What about something being permissibly prior rather than just temporally
prior? Perhaps, we w
What about something being alethically prior, epistemically prior,
doxastically prior, deontically prior? Is there a word that satisfies
these more generally, satisfying modally prior?
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Heuristic:
What a mess. High entropy.
Everything in its place. Low entropy.
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On Tue, Jul 21, 2020, 8:57 AM uǝlƃ ↙↙↙ wrote:
> Excellent! Thanks. It's not clear to me why I get so confused. Every time
> I
Excellent! Thanks. It's not clear to me why I get so confused. Every time I
think about uncertainty and information, I have to Google concepts like entropy
and negentropy and re-orient myself. I suppose I just don't do enough hands-on
work with it to develop a tacit memory.
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What about something being believably prior rather than just temporally
prior? Perhaps, we would use a different word than cause?
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Wanted to reply to Glen’s reading below, which is also the way I see it.
I don’t worry about keeping track of signs and factors of 2 in drafting-stages
of these conversations; that is a tedious chore to be done later if one thinks
there is something to say that warrants it.
But if one did want
Hi All,
Two quick comments (two emails).
I think the way Glen has this set up below does all the main work Nick wants
done.
The idea is that state spaces of different dimensions are different kinds of
settings. A state space for one ladder is one kind of setting. A state space
for two ladde
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> Thanks, that sounds right. Are we interested in similar relations like
> entailment?
Right, but are we concerned with the class of entailment-like/causation-like
relations?
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Nick,
So to continue this construal talk, would you allow things wrapped in events
clothing to have causal relations?
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Nick,
You say: 'Glen originally mentioned a GENerator/ PHENomenon distinction
which seems to be the broader of the two and does not forbid downward
causation.'
I feel comfortable saying gen-phen-like maps. I am in the investigative
Nick,
You say: 'Glen originally mentioned a GENerator/ PHENomenon distinction
which
seems to be the broader of the two and does not forbid downward causation.'
I feel comfortable saying gen-phen-like maps. I am in the investigative
modality
at present and have not yet nailed down for myself the p
Ha! Well, anyone can say anything they want. What matters is how coherent you
can make what you say. I don't think there's any coherent way of (universally)
distinguishing a thing from an event. An event is a thing and a thing can be an
event. Perhaps some things are collections of events. Or, p
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Nick, you are correct in saying that causation is a relation between events.
The most useful definition of causation that
constraints constitute the
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with the fifth stick.
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Maybe I am m
In the 2-ladder system, if there's downward causation, I would not say "each
causes the other not to fall". But I would say something like "the attribute of
non-falling constrains the valid arrangements of the ladders". The point of
rewording it like that is to remove the emergentism woo and tal
I'm not reading this carefully enough. I am selling my car which involves
paperwork.
There are many systems with causal graphs with feedback loops. In genetic
regulatory networks, for example. Is that downward causation?
A classic example is the case if two ladders leaning against each other s
Right. I'm ignorant of Weismann's doctrine. But it does seem to imply purely
bottom-up causation. We *could*, I suppose talk of hierarchical systems where
the causal flow only went upward ... maybe a bit like the causal cone defined
by the speed of light in space-time. Everything within the cone
Excellent! Thanks for the link to Weismann's doctrine.
As for the 4-5 sticks, I don't at all like calling "sturdiness" an emergent
property. In fact, I don't really like the phrase "emergent property" at all.
And I resist using the word "emergent". I'm OK with the word "attribute"
because that
Maybe I am misremembering (which clearly happens), but didn't the discussion
of gen-phen-like maps arise in the context of goal-function distinctions? In
this latter class, we included the thermostat system where constraining
systems to Weismann's doctrine would not be meaningful. Clearly, in the
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I don't know quite how to parse this. By "original gen-phen distinction", do
you simply mean DNA->RNA? What do you mean by "original"?
Fascinating. I didn’t know how advanced these tools had gotten for VR.
On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 10:49 AM uǝlƃ ↙↙↙ wrote:
> For me, the 3D audio has a huge impact. Like Slack, Zoom is intended for
> busyness, hard-core, intention, purpose driven attention. Zoom and Slack
> are not even a little bi
For me, the 3D audio has a huge impact. Like Slack, Zoom is intended for
busyness, hard-core, intention, purpose driven attention. Zoom and Slack are
not even a little bit *playful*. They try. But they're just not. Contrast Slack
with Discord, where well-multiplexed audio groups were built in fr
I don't know quite how to parse this. By "original gen-phen distinction", do
you simply mean DNA->RNA? What do you mean by "original"? And would reverse
transcription imply information flow from phen to gen?
FWIW, when I talk about downward causation, I'm not assuming irreducible
phenomena (str
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I'm kind of confused by the very first post of this discussion. Zoom DOES have
the ability to split people off into groups. I'm in zoom workshops that do that
fairly often (though I have never been in cha
I'm kind of confused by the very first post of this discussion. Zoom DOES
have the ability to split people off into groups. I'm in zoom workshops
that do that fairly often (though I have never been in charge of one, so
I'm not sure how it is controlled).
Here an instructions page I found on the to
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Thank you for what I interpret as insights and suggestions.
Tonight, in the context of light storms and rain, I am Dj-ing for Sarah and
Tycho. This afternoon, Tycho experienced a Lingual Frenectomy. I often wish
to cry with him.
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Thank you for what I interpret as insights and suggestions.
Tonight, in the context of light storms and rain, I am Dj-ing
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Nah! Your contributions to The Queue are fantastic! I watched about half of the
1st André Joyal lecture before I had to "attend" an ALife talk the other day.
... that said, a little more music and a little less math would be cool. 8^) Or
maybe all music is math and vice versa.
On 7/17/20 6:18 P
Wow! First, 'Hands on with the Sutton Hoo sword':
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nb9vTu73xmE
and now Colleen Green mumbling on-stage: https://youtu.be/ankOO77de7o
Wrt *The Queue*, I need to step up my recommendations game.
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In a p
IDK. "Manifest" is an awkward word. I think it's normally used akin to
epiphenomena, which would not then constrain the things that generated it. But
there's an efficacy about "manifest" that you don't get with other concepts.
And effective things change the universe such that anything that happ
In a project I was working on in the 70s we said that we were trying to
identify phenotypic manifestations of a genetic predisposition to develop
schizophrenia. Does that work for you?
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On Fri, Jul 17, 2020,
Neither! Ha! As Colleen Green mumbles: "Once you get to know me, you won't love
me anymore." https://youtu.be/ankOO77de7o
You're both a little wrong and a little right. The gen-phen map is inspired by
genotype-phenotype. But liberties are taken with what it can mean. In
particular, I've worked
Interesting. I completely reject that dichotomy. It sounds as if he (or whoever
would NOT be driven crazy by such a thing) is either 1) making some
psychological mistake or 2) is executing some sort of attention-slicing
algorithm. The psych mistake would be akin to thinking multi-tasking actual
ology
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So, Nick has lamented that the Zoom mee
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So, Nick has lamented that the Zoom meetings don't well-simulate actual FriAM
meetings, where people can self-isolate into cliques b
So, Nick has lamented that the Zoom meetings don't well-simulate actual FriAM
meetings, where people can self-isolate into cliques based on some tangent or
other. I'd mentioned my first experience with (well-done) virtual meetings in
Oz: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OZ_Virtual
Well, during th
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