Fantastic! I try to be a little absurd [‡] invoking aliens and the dark side of
the moon, and Steve finds a way to make it seem reasonable. You clearly
out-meta'd me on that one.
[‡] Can one be a little absurd? A↛(B⇒A) and B↛(A → A), despite what 'they' tell
you.
On 3/28/24 16:37, Steve Smith
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Date: Thursday, March 28, 2024 at 10:33 AM
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Subject: Re: [FRIAM] death by ubiquity
Bandwidth might be a problem. But the dark side of the moon seems like an
option ... assuming you can negotiate wit
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> behalf of glen mailto:geprope...@gmail.com>>
> Date: Thursday, March 28, 2024 at 10:33 AM
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Friam On Behalf Of glen
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> Maybe. But way before that happens, it will(has) force(d) the disaffected
> (people, animals, plants) of any such region to die, move, or
wrote:
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> https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/en/news/microsoft-hires-erin-henderson-to-head-nuclear-development-acceleration-for-data-centers/
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From: Friam On Behalf Of Prof David West
Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2024 6:34 PM
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Published a paper couple of years back — IT is not Sustainable. One point was
power consumption: known server-farms at that time used more energy per year
than the UK. Less than 10% came from renewable sources.
Not included were all the “secret” farms in Russia, China, etc., or centers
like th
efficient microarchitecture
(e.g. Groq) and on renewable power generation near data centers.
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> > I suppose there are some that would say gentrification is genocide -- a
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e that would say gentrification is genocide -- a slow
coerced displacement.
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Subject: Re: [FRIAM] death by ubiquity
Maybe. But way before that happens, it will(has) force(d) the dis
10:33 AM
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Bandwidth might be a problem. But the dark side of the moon seems like an option ...
assuming you can negotiate with the aliens that live over there. The best thing about
coral is you don't have to negotiate for their
which they
grow and thrive.
On 3/28/24 07:51, Marcus Daniels wrote:
It will force innovation on energy-efficient microarchitecture (e.g. Groq) and
on renewable power generation near data centers.
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To:
It will force innovation on energy-efficient microarchitecture (e.g. Groq) and
on renewable power generation near data centers.
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From: Friam On Behalf Of glen
Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2024 7:09 AM
To: friam@redfish.com
Subject: [FRIAM] death by ubiquity
As we
As we frivolously replace meatspace conversation with obsequious chatbots, the
world burns.
The industry more damaging to the environment than airlines
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2023/05/30/silicon-valley-data-giants-net-zero-sustainability-risk/
https://www.asce.org/publications-and
https://people.com/human-interest/matt-king-meow-wolf-co-founder-dies/
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Heh, as long as you identify the particulars of the use case, then "both-and"
is intuitive and correct. But when someone makes an ambiguous statement with
no particulars and makes no serious attempt to describe the context in which
their statement is supposed to be understood, then it's definit
Another thing that helps me with Friam disagreements is to think in terms
of "both-and" rather than "either-or". In Fiddler on the Roof, Tevya says
to A, "you're right". B objects and Tevya says again, "You're right". C
says that they can't both be right and Tevya says, "You're also right".
Fra
Awesome! I appreciate the link, though reading my DSM V entry on BPD muddies
my water. 8^) From your words and those of the link (Mahari), I can't help but
think about patterns of sensory stimuli, as opposed to "objects", per se.
While I completely reject the imputing of object-hood onto the
Hmm. In my own words: perhaps you've known people who "fall to pieces"
when the object of their attachment isn't present. This often causes that
"object" to flee. Think of boy-girl relationships in adolescence which
sometimes are messed up because of the imprint of the past.
Frank
Frank Wimber
Lack of object constancy after childhood is definitely considered to be
symptomatic. If you don't believe something exists unless you are
experiencing it, including yourself, you will have a difficult time.
Here is a link:
http://borderlinepersonality.typepad.com/my_weblog/2008/06/lack-of-object
I am (or thought I was) familiar with the idea. But it should be clear that
the wikipedia entry is GUILTY of the exact problem I'm trying to point out.
So, it's not only not helpful, but perpetuates the problem. Witness:
"Object constancy, similar to Jean Piaget's object permanence, describes
Right. Of course. But it's very telling that you put the word *purpose* last.
It is that purpose that sets the entire context, including the appropriateness
of any definition in the lexicon used while engaged in the project. You seem
to have ignored my point about use cases and how they set
You guys might be interested in the Psychoanalytic concept of object
constancy.
See
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Mahler
Many philosophical discussions are explained by psychoanalysts in terms of
object constancy. And the self is also an object Psychoanalytic speaking.
The old Chestnu
On 10/30/2017 08:34 PM, Steven A Smith wrote:
> Do humans become more specialized with age? I propose that we go through
> cycles of specialization/generalization. Babies are optimized for two
> things, ingesting and metabolizing nourishment (eliminating waste is a
> sub-process this) and trig
Glen ☣ -
This is a very /sophist/icated argument YOU make. *I* can't tell,
however if *YOU* believe it, at least right this instant... perhaps
*YOU* believed it when you wrote it, but does that belief persist from
the former now to the current now?
Smart-asserry aside... Trying to take your
Yes, you're right to classify the illusion of self along with Smith's
preemptive registration, more insidious, I think, than premature registration.
Identifying an object as atomic lies at the heart of a lot of our problems. We
could just as easily call it a discretization artifact. Here, the
icks -- less of anything that has been seen before.
Marcus
From: Friam on behalf of gⅼеɳ ☣
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2017 1:55:35 PM
To: FriAM
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] death
On 10/30/2017 12:01 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
> Odd that some conservatives give embed
roach, myself. It seems tragic, almost.
Marcus
From: Friam on behalf of Steven A Smith
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2017 9:34:57 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] death
I'm wondering if pupating isn't more
Roger writes:
“It seems that this sort of dead code, undead code, zombie code
problem is fairly ubiquitous in information processing systems. No
matter whose system, there are always things around that don't go away
because nobody cared to do anything about them. They always need a
clean
I'm wondering if pupating isn't more relevant to the topic than moulting?
As for molting, I was surprised to learn that lobsters (and other
decapods?) appear to avoid/eschew cellular senescence... and their
apparent increase in sexual reproductivity with age... death seems to
come (if not f
That was a lot, forcing me to cherry-pick. 8^) I disagree with the *fairly*
quickly part. The time scales being traversed are huge, as you point out. When
you make the argument that death happens fairly abruptly you bias that comment
towards a few scales, namely the ones related to consciousnes
Roger writes:
“It seems that this sort of dead code, undead code, zombie code problem is
fairly ubiquitous in information processing systems. No matter whose system,
there are always things around that don't go away because nobody cared to do
anything about them. They always need a clean rebo
Molting is a fantastic metaphor. But do we have any species to look to that
molts for greater generality instead of greater specialty? I suppose we could
argue that some species jump from one specialty to another via molting. But
that passes the buck to some set of processes that hold the pro
Glen writes:
"But some conception of interruptibility or parallelism seems necessary also.
If a UTM couldn't stop, mid-algorithm, to work on some other problem, then
perhaps death is still needed?"
Humans have minimal short term memory, but an extended UTM could yield any
number of continuat
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> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2017 2:18 PM
> To: FriAM
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] death
>
> Good question. But I tend to think the problem is less about plasticity
> and more about specialization. As we've seen, specialized (artificial)
> intelligence is r
Hm. I suppose we could think of a UTM in the same way we think of an ANN. A
large enough ANN becomes a look up table. A UTM could be conceived (simply?)
as some sort of an index for all the algorithms (possible or real). Rather
than extending out in time (complicated, infinitely extensible t
2:18 PM
To: FriAM
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] death
Good question. But I tend to think the problem is less about plasticity and
more about specialization. As we've seen, specialized (artificial)
intelligence is relatively easy, compare termites to humans. So-called general
intelligence (or
Good question. But I tend to think the problem is less about plasticity and
more about specialization. As we've seen, specialized (artificial)
intelligence is relatively easy, compare termites to humans. So-called general
intelligence (or universal constructors) is much harder. The distance
< Our universality depends fundamentally on babies. In order for progress to
be made, the old farts, with all their outdated ideas, must die so the young
turds can do things their way. Sure, we want to keep the old farts around and
exploit them as best we can. But at some point, those fossili
On 10/30/2017 12:01 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
> Odd that some conservatives give embedded worth to lives that have
> demonstrated none yet (pro-lifers), and change the rules as life progresses.
> Why the act of faith in the first place? Why no conservatives advocating
> one-child-per-family,
"But I think what it, ultimately devolves to is that humans come very close to
universal constructors. With the reflective layers of brain and opposable
thumbs, we can do almost anything ... with the right resources, right context,
etc."
I'm looking forward to AI companies succeeding at projec
Glen writes:
Odd that some conservatives give embedded worth to lives that have demonstrated
none yet (pro-lifers), and change the rules as life progresses. Why the act
of faith in the first place? Why no conservatives advocating
one-child-per-family, or income requirements for reproductio
I used to argue with my parents (a lot) about whether or not humans were
different from animals, mostly because my mom claimed animals don't have souls.
She's right, of course, because nobody has souls. 8^) But I think what it,
ultimately devolves to is that humans come very close to universal
That was a lot, forcing me to cherry-pick. 8^) I disagree with the *fairly*
quickly part. The time scales being traversed are huge, as you point out. When
you make the argument that death happens fairly abruptly you bias that comment
towards a few scales, namely the ones related to consciousness
pplied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] death
Glen -
I think the topic of death in it's broadest sense is very apropos of an Applied
Complexity discussion group, here is what came up for me off the cuff:
Life itself is nothing if not "complex" by any measure or meaning o
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From: Friam on behalf of Russ Abbott
Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2017 3:47:34 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] death
Near the end of the Aeon piece.
Those hoping that I would resolve this paradox might now be getting a little
anxious,
Glen -
I think the topic of death in it's broadest sense is very apropos of an
Applied Complexity discussion group, here is what came up for me off the
cuff:
Life itself is nothing if not "complex" by any measure or meaning of the
term? Even me, trying hard to live "a Simple Life".
Certai
Glen -
As always, you pose interesting points to ponder, and very apropos as we
approach el Dia de los Muertos, Samhain, All Souls, Halloween.
As often, my first response was to clatter out a massive missive
pondering the many facets of death (and life) from my own idiosyncratic
Complexity p
Near the end of the Aeon piece.
Those hoping that I would resolve this paradox might now be getting a
little anxious, as we are reaching the penultimate paragraph with no
solution in sight. But it should be clear by now that I do not believe
there is a solution. I believe that the death of the fly
Ha! I live to serve. 8^) Brings new meaning to the terrifying motivational
aphorism: today is the first day of the rest of your life. Great theme for
Samhain!
On October 28, 2017 10:31:43 AM PDT, Gary Schiltz
wrote:
>Yesterday was my birthday, a milestone toward the inexorable fate of
>all
>li
Yesterday was my birthday, a milestone toward the inexorable fate of all
life. Thank you so much for sharing :-Q
On Sat, Oct 28, 2017 at 12:23 PM, glen wrote:
> 2 interesting essays on death, the first with some of our obligatory
> buzzwords.
>
> Not nothing
> https://aeon.co/essays/if-death-com
2 interesting essays on death, the first with some of our obligatory buzzwords.
Not nothing
https://aeon.co/essays/if-death-comes-for-everything-does-it-matter-what-we-kill
Welcome the reaper: Caitlin Doughty and the 'death-positivity' movement
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2017/oct/27/caitli
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