[FRIAM] election eve

2020-11-02 Thread Prof David West
Frank put his prediction on the list, so I guess it is OK to add mine. Last time I was 100% certain of my predictions. This time between 60-75 percent certain. Trump will win by roughly the same electoral college numbers as last time, with minor changes, e.g. swapping Wisconsin for Minnesota. (

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2020-11-02 Thread Marcus Daniels
2020 8:26 AM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: [FRIAM] election eve Frank put his prediction on the list, so I guess it is OK to add mine. Last time I was 100% certain of my predictions. This time between 60-75 percent certain. Trump will win by roughly the same electoral college numbers as last

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2020-11-02 Thread uǝlƃ ↙↙↙
s-and-predictions/minnesota/ On 11/2/20 8:42 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > > -Original Message- > From: Friam On Behalf Of Prof David West > Sent: Monday, November 2, 2020 8:26 AM > To: friam@redfish.com > Subject: [FRIAM] election eve > > (Everyone is seeing Wisconsin as

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2020-11-02 Thread thompnickson2
On Behalf Of u?l? ??? Sent: Monday, November 2, 2020 1:03 PM To: FriAM Subject: Re: [FRIAM] election eve What's happening in Minnesota? https://electoral-vote.com/evp2020/Pres/Graphs/minnesota.html https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-election-forecast/minnesota/

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2020-11-02 Thread Roger Critchlow
ehalf Of u?l? ??? > Sent: Monday, November 2, 2020 1:03 PM > To: FriAM > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] election eve > > What's happening in Minnesota? > > https://electoral-vote.com/evp2020/Pres/Graphs/minnesota.html > https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-election-fore

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2020-11-02 Thread Frank Wimberly
as Thompson >> Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology >> Clark University >> thompnicks...@gmail.com >> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Friam On Behalf Of u?l? ??? >> Sent:

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2020-11-04 Thread Barry MacKichan
Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology Clark University thompnicks...@gmail.com https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ -Original Message- From: Friam On Behalf Of u?l? ??? Sent: Monday, November 2, 2020 1:03 PM To: FriAM Subject: Re: [FRIAM] election eve What's happeni

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2020-11-04 Thread Barry MacKichan
Ethology and Psychology Clark University thompnicks...@gmail.com https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ -Original Message- From: Friam On Behalf Of u?l? ??? Sent: Monday, November 2, 2020 1:03 PM To: FriAM Subject: Re: [FRIAM] election eve What's happening in Minnesota?

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2020-11-04 Thread thompnickson2
iday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] election eve I’m not sure that Trump believes there is any chance the courts will help stop counting the vote. The other purpose for what he is doing is to create another grievance. Trump thrives on grievances, and a few more will o

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2020-11-04 Thread Gary Schiltz
t; *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < > friam@redfish.com> > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] election eve > > > > I’m not sure that Trump believes there is any chance the courts will help > stop counting the vote. > > The other purpose for what he is doi

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2020-11-04 Thread Marcus Daniels
Biden has got a 270 vs. 267 last time I checked, assuming he can’t take Pennsylvania. From: Friam On Behalf Of Gary Schiltz Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 8:37 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] election eve Nick, I was rather wondering the same

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2020-11-04 Thread uǝlƃ ↙↙↙
Right. So both the guardian and nyt show called Biden: 227, Trump: 213 with PA(20), NC(15), and GA(16) toward Trump and MI(16), WI(10), NV(6), and AZ(11) toward Biden. 227+16+10+11+6 = 270 213+3+15+20+16 = 267 I don't think there's a reason to be optimistic ... cautiously or not. Regardless of

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2020-11-04 Thread Marcus Daniels
Yeah, the main take home to me is the same as before: Almost half the country is batshit crazy. -Original Message- From: Friam On Behalf Of u?l? ??? Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 9:22 AM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] election eve Right. So both the guardian and nyt

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2020-11-04 Thread Merle Lefkoff
>From the Washington Post WASHINGTON - The U.S. Postal Service turned down a federal judge’s order late Tuesday afternoon to sweep mail processing facilities serving 15 states, saying instead it would stick to its own inspection schedule. The judge’s order came after the agency disclosed that more

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2020-11-04 Thread Gary Schiltz
0 8:37 AM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < > friam@redfish.com> > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] election eve > > > > Nick, I was rather wondering the same thing myself. Frank, please toss us > a thread-thin lifeline to help buoy the spirits of us bleed

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2020-11-04 Thread Marcus Daniels
7 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group mailto:friam@redfish.com>> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] election eve Nick, I was rather wondering the same thing myself. Frank, please toss us a thread-thin lifeline to help buoy the spirits of us bleeding heart liberals haha. Is your opti

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2020-11-04 Thread uǝlƃ ↙↙↙
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2020/nov/03/us-election-2020-live-results-donald-trump-joe-biden-who-won-presidential-republican-democrat https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/11/03/us/elections/results-president.html On 11/4/20 9:40 AM, Gary Schiltz wrote: > What source indi

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2020-11-04 Thread thompnickson2
Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] election eve Yeah, the main take home to me is the same as before: Almost half the country is batshit crazy. -Original Message- From: Friam On Behalf Of u?l? ??? Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 9:22 AM To: friam@redfish.com

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2020-11-04 Thread Frank Wimberly
las Thompson > Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology > Clark University > thompnicks...@gmail.com > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > > > > -Original Message- > From: Friam On Behalf Of Marcus Daniels > Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 1

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2020-11-04 Thread thompnickson2
m On Behalf Of Frank Wimberly Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 12:12 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] election eve Nick, See Glen's 270 to 267 estimate. Biden may still win either Georgia or Pennsylvania or both because of the Democrat

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2020-11-04 Thread uǝlƃ ↙↙↙
One thing that confuses me is Trump being attributed 267 vs 268 EVs. But I suppose it could be Maine, with it's split representation: https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/election-results-and-news-11-04-20/h_f5ca6d24c85ac45e193bf0b1c9b1a2f6 On 11/4/20 10:12 AM, Frank Wimberly wrote: > Nick, >

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2020-11-04 Thread Eric Charles
hology and Psychology > Clark University > thompnicks...@gmail.com > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > > > > -Original Message- > From: Friam On Behalf Of Marcus Daniels > Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 11:24 AM > To: The Friday Morning Applied Com

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2020-11-04 Thread thompnickson2
Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] election eve " they cannot under stand why I am scared by Trump, any more than I could understand why they were scared by Obama " I know it's a bit of a tangent... but is that actually true? I'm not sure I've ever found it overl

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2020-11-04 Thread Frank Wimberly
ng Applied Complexity Coffee Group < > friam@redfish.com> > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] election eve > > > > Nick, > > > > See Glen's 270 to 267 estimate. Biden may still win either Georgia or > Pennsylvania or both because of the Democrat majority that is

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2020-11-04 Thread Marcus Daniels
Nick wrote: < I know two trump supporters quite well. Mind you, we don't talk politics that much. Both are owners of small businesses who have led the highly regulated lives that folks must lead if they are going to make money in a politically diverse community. Both [thought they] saw gains

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2020-11-04 Thread Robert J. Cordingley
alf Of *Eric Charles *Sent:* Wednesday, November 4, 2020 12:18 PM *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] election eve " they cannot under stand why I am scared by Trump, any more than I could understand why they were scared by Obama " I kn

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2020-11-04 Thread Marcus Daniels
Robert wrote: < It's those with insight who must make the concessions. > That’s certainly a point of view. Marcus - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com

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2020-11-04 Thread Roger Critchlow
out. >> >> Nick >> >> Nick >> >> Nicholas Thompson >> Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology >> Clark University >> thompnicks...@gmail.com >> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ >> >> >> >> -Original M

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2020-11-04 Thread Frank Wimberly
t;>> cartels that dominated German politics thought they could "use" him. Look >>> how that turned out. >>> >>> Nick >>> >>> Nick >>> >>> Nicholas Thompson >>> Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology

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2020-11-04 Thread thompnickson2
/nthompson/ -Original Message- From: Friam On Behalf Of Marcus Daniels Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 12:55 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] election eve Nick wrote: < I know two trump supporters quite well. Mind you, we don

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2020-11-04 Thread thompnickson2
du/nthompson/ From: Friam On Behalf Of Frank Wimberly Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 1:38 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] election eve Thanks, Rog. He's right, Nick. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-

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2020-11-04 Thread Marcus Daniels
It got us to be the largest economy, democracy, and military on earth.Where like, everyone wanted to come and live the dream. How about, just for shits and grins, we give their kid a loaded weapon to play with? Just to see what happens, you know.Could be interesting? I think I'm n

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2020-11-04 Thread uǝlƃ ↙↙↙
I still think it's the projection/reduction from high dimensions to low that's the problem. While I largely agree that it's batshit crazy to, e.g. for Howie to run for President given the fate of every Green Party objective will suffer dramatically under Trump, it's still an overzealous and irre

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2020-11-04 Thread Steve Smith
I appreciate this point of view.  In 2016 it seems like there was a lot of rhetoric about "vote in your own best self-interest" as a way to try to increase turnout or focus on why any individual should take voting seriously. Working at LANL for 27 years I heard *way* too many people there voting f

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2020-11-04 Thread Gary Schiltz
The version I have heard is "If you aren't liberal when you're young, you don't have a heart. If you aren't conservative when you're old, you don't have a brain." On Wed, Nov 4, 2020 at 4:16 PM Steve Smith wrote: > I appreciate this point of view. In 2016 it seems like there was a lot > of rhet

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2020-11-04 Thread Jochen Fromm
:18 (GMT+01:00) To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] election eve One thing that confuses me is Trump being attributed 267 vs 268 EVs. But I suppose it could be Maine, with it's split representation:https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/election-results-and-news-11-

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2020-11-05 Thread Marcus Daniels
It is easier to believe crazy things if you are decoupled from people that will show you otherwise. From: Friam On Behalf Of Frank Wimberly Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2020 12:07 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] election eve A large percentage of

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2020-11-05 Thread George Duncan
Behalf Of *Frank Wimberly > *Sent:* Thursday, November 5, 2020 12:07 PM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < > friam@redfish.com> > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] election eve > > > > A large percentage of the variance between "us" and "the

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2020-11-05 Thread Marcus Daniels
trail. From: Friam On Behalf Of George Duncan Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2020 12:31 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] election eve But now you can link online to those (even perhaps few) who will reinforce your (perhaps crazy) views George Duncan

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2020-11-05 Thread Jochen Fromm
From: Frank Wimberly Date: 11/5/20 21:08 (GMT+01:00) To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] election eve A large percentage of the variance between "us" and "them" seems to be living in a city vs living in the country.  Not all

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2020-11-05 Thread Marcus Daniels
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] election eve Do you have an idea why so many people have voted for Trump despite all he has done? The cultural difference between the liberal urban centers and the conservative countryside can not be the only reason. Is it FoxNews propaganda, racism or another unknown factor

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2020-11-05 Thread uǝlƃ ↙↙↙
It would be a great way to actually learn things if, rather than deleting it, it rejected it. So, you could formulate lots of assertions, toss them at the machine and it would tell you which ones are crazy and which ones might be closer to consensus truth. You might start with all politicians ar

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2020-11-05 Thread thompnickson2
alf Of u?l? ??? Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2020 1:54 PM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] election eve It would be a great way to actually learn things if, rather than deleting it, it rejected it. So, you could formulate lots of assertions, toss them at the machine and it would tell you whic

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2020-11-05 Thread Gary Schiltz
a, racism or another unknown factor ? > > > Original message > From: Frank Wimberly > Date: 11/5/20 21:08 (GMT+01:00) > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] election eve > > A large percentage of the variance between "