8^) While I appreciate the troll, I don't see how either of those articles
contradict my claim. I'd be happy if you'd explain that to me. And I also have
to point out that you've modified your phrase from "mental model" to "mental
map", which is progress! If you can find it in you to drop the
"So when the student part of the brain is learning how to sing a song, the
tutor part has to tell it whether the song it produced was good or bad and give
instructions on how to improve."
Like the remarkable generative adversarial networks..
http://papers.nips.cc/paper/5423-generative-adversari
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Vladimyr writes:
"If the referents are robustly entrenched in
Vladimyr writes:
"If the referents are robustly entrenched in formalism then likely so are the
artifacts."
I work on source-to-source compilers. There's no real-world referent. Just
transformations between representations.
Marcus
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Heh, it amuses and frustrates me the pressure to publish when one could
instead do something useful like develop and share code. Those "mental
mod
stantaneous image. The only proper answer
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Although I really like and agree with Nick's answer, his is a little dense. So
I'll try for something more pedestrian.
Your math concepts are the result of many iterations between the measurement of
marks on paper and the evolving concepts in your physiology. From your first
sight of some math
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So it's easy to substitute the word '
So it's easy to substitute the word 'conceptual' for the word 'mental'
whenever I talk to you (or Nick).
I'm curious. My qualifying exam in real analysis consisted of 10 questions
(stimuli, inputs?) like "State and prove the Heine-Borel Theorem". The
successful response was a written version of a
Heh, it amuses and frustrates me the pressure to publish when one could instead
do something useful like develop and share code. Those "mental models"
scribbled down on paper obviously have less value than tools to solve the
general problem (i.e. working through all the boring but necessary ca
I've made this same point 10s of times and I've clearly failed. I'll try one
last time and then take my failure with me.
When you assert that there's a dividing line between rigorous and whimsical
mental models, what are you saying? It makes no sense to me, whatsoever.
Rigor means something
On 04/22/2017 04:41 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote:
> I have a "mental map" of the streets of Santa Fe. I can plan a route to the
> dump, or even alternative routes, which I can then successfully follow.
> Model or figment?
If you believe that "mental map" is _purely_ mental, then it's a figment.
better and others worse? Utility…Profit…Pride…
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I have a "mental map" of the streets of Santa Fe. I can plan a route to
the dump, or even alternative routes, which I can then successfully
follow. Model or figment?
I'm sure you've heard many times that all models are wrong; some are useful.
Frank
Frank Wimberly
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On Apr
On 04/22/2017 11:44 AM, Frank Wimberly wrote:
> "I argue that this mental model is a figment of your imagination..."
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> In other words, a mental model.
Heh, no. Despite being a huge term that covers almost everything under the
sun, "model" _does_ at least require a referent. A purely imaginar
"I argue that this mental model is a figment of your imagination..."
In other words, a mental model.
Frank
Frank Wimberly
Phone (505) 670-9918
On Apr 22, 2017 9:48 AM, "┣glen┫" wrote:
> Excellent! Thanks for providing some concrete context. I now realize you
> are focusing on a describable s
Excellent! Thanks for providing some concrete context. I now realize you are
focusing on a describable subset of the amorphous cloud of the word "model".
Progress in the argument is impossible without that. And I'll try to avoid the
endless caveats, qualifiers, and prefixes for the ambiguous
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On 04/20/2017 09:45 PM, Vladimyr wrote:
> "If you don't know how to measure it, then you don't know how to model it."
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> That statement has the feel of
On 04/20/2017 09:45 PM, Vladimyr wrote:
> "If you don't know how to measure it, then you don't know how to model it."
>
> That statement has the feel of circularity about it.
> It may be quite correct in some cases but it completely fails when a simple
> predator
> models the terrain in its brain
f through a door-way.
Pattern comparisons...
vib
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On 04/19/2017 04:10 PM, Vladimyr wrote:
> I don't know of any measuring device that operates in these realms.
Exactly. If you don't know how to measure it, then you don't know how to model
it.
> You might be able to help with one of my issues,... How to make one object
> talk to another digita
t the collision problem from engineering but not the
long range sensing...
vib
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On 04/18/2017 06:54 PM, Vladimyr wrote:
> Evolution is operating like a skinflint or miser rarely inventing something
> totally new. At least since cyanobacteria figured out oxygen usefulness.
Ahh, but whether that's true or false hinges on the inherent ambiguity in the
word "new". So, I posit
better or worse again. Oh well my stay, is expected to be short.
vib
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OK. Sorry. I mistook your message as suggesting an additional mechanism,
rather than a plea for simpler models. In general, I agree that simpler models
should be falsified before adding mechanisms like the modal one you suggested.
But, as is obvious with the special sciences like biology, p
ilding a simple commons or society,
the nest area.
vib
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Interesting. So, just to repeat back, to see if I understand. Steve wondered
if there were (a good) model of the evolution of individuals in political state
space. I responded that there are lots of (bad) models. But the more
important point is _why_ model that evolution (including models o
. Like Staphylinid beetles in an ant colony.
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On 04/13/2017 03:06 PM, Steven A Smith wrote:
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> Not just because I want to predict their behaviour, I might want to adopt
> that part of their memome into my own?
Ugh! Thanks for reminding me why I hate the idea of memes. The problem me and
Robert argued about extensively awhile ago is impo
On 4/13/17 3:06 PM, glen ☣ wrote:
On 04/13/2017 12:36 PM, Steven A Smith wrote:
*I* DO care why someone voted for Trump. If that someone is someone I know, I
am interested in how that factoid (voting for Trump) effects my other dealings
with them. Many anti-Trump folks will virtually exco
On 04/13/2017 12:36 PM, Steven A Smith wrote:
> *I* DO care why someone voted for Trump. If that someone is someone I know,
> I am interested in how that factoid (voting for Trump) effects my other
> dealings with them. Many anti-Trump folks will virtually excommunicate a
> friend or colleagu
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