Re: [Full-disclosure] VPN providers and any providers in general...

2011-09-30 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Sat, 01 Oct 2011 09:16:11 +1000, xD 0x41 said: > As you also said, murder is a no brainer in any place...well, maybe not iraq > or afghanistan just yet :P lol.. Iraq, for all its problems, is still a place with a somewhat functional judicial system. The court system may be broken, but you in g

Re: [Full-disclosure] VPN providers and any providers in general...

2011-09-30 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 23:55:18 +1000, xD 0x41 said: > there are KNOWN places, i have used, and known places wich will not store > data, or maybe, provide a proxxy but, they can certainly hide a botnet... As far as you know... :) > ONLy people who commit ANY crime in THEYRE country, will be arreste

Re: [Full-disclosure] VPN provider helped track down alleged LulzSec member

2011-09-30 Thread GloW - XD
precisely why i did not screrw with peoples things and thx for poiting this out. Providers that steal other peoples hacks don't last long in the underground. People take that personally :) This is a BIG reason why, i did not, nor my coadmin, touch things, unless we were invited to, and, never eve

Re: [Full-disclosure] VPN provider helped track down alleged LulzSec member

2011-09-30 Thread Laurelai
On 9/30/2011 11:59 AM, adam wrote: > "Cause them to face punishment in what country? Wouldn't they have to > extradite them? What if their extradition treaty didn't cover > cybercrime, or they didn't have one with the US?" > > I'm not sure you understood the example, and the mixing and matching > y

Re: [Full-disclosure] VPN provider helped track down alleged LulzSec member

2011-09-30 Thread adam
"Cause them to face punishment in what country? Wouldn't they have to extradite them? What if their extradition treaty didn't cover cybercrime, or they didn't have one with the US?" I'm not sure you understood the example, and the mixing and matching you're doing here doesn't really work. If they'

Re: [Full-disclosure] VPN provider helped track down alleged LulzSec member

2011-09-30 Thread Laurelai
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 9/30/2011 9:46 AM, Paul Schmehl wrote: > IOW, there is no honor among thieves. > > This isn't a new concept. > > --On September 30, 2011 3:31:06 PM +0100 Darren Martyn > wrote: > >> By screw you over I did not intend to mean "sell you out". I mea

Re: [Full-disclosure] VPN provider helped track down alleged LulzSec member

2011-09-30 Thread Laurelai
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 9/30/2011 10:45 AM, adam wrote: > "User location determines Judicial Jurisdiction - how is that irrelevant?" > > Jurisdiction in the prosecution of such crimes, yes. In the investigation itself, no. Which seems to be where all the confusion is com

Re: [Full-disclosure] VPN provider helped track down alleged LulzSec member

2011-09-30 Thread adam
"User location determines Judicial Jurisdiction - how is that irrelevant?" Jurisdiction in the prosecution of such crimes, yes. In the investigation itself, no. Which seems to be where all the confusion is coming from. If you use a service in the US to commit a crime, and that service is ordered b

Re: [Full-disclosure] VPN provider helped track down alleged LulzSec member

2011-09-30 Thread Paul Schmehl
IOW, there is no honor among thieves. This isn't a new concept. --On September 30, 2011 3:31:06 PM +0100 Darren Martyn wrote: > By screw you over I did not intend to mean "sell you out". I meant a more > criminal fucking over - where they backdoor the box (Hey, physical access > and its THEIR

[Full-disclosure] VPN providers and any providers in general...

2011-09-30 Thread xD 0x41
Dude, If you really want to be 'invisible' this is not hard todo.. if you expect to, jump around on peoples servers, illegally, for long amounts of time, ie, daily/wekly/yearly,and are a pest, who would want to make you or help you even be invisible. there are KNOWN places, i have used, and known p

Re: [Full-disclosure] VPN provider helped track down alleged LulzSec member

2011-09-30 Thread xD 0x41
indeed :) but, it is how a proper anon person would operate, well, tht is how i once did... anyhow, it is to broad, and, yes, i qwould never believe in bulletproof, unless i have used it maybe, for 10yrs, thru 10 botnets ;P wich, is very rare but funnily, possible. webhosters, are even more corrupt

Re: [Full-disclosure] VPN provider helped track down alleged LulzSec member

2011-09-30 Thread xD 0x41
err, you are limited in those countries dude... id really checkup on that ... maybe some but, yea i agree, i dont think any hosting is anon, but, i sure know i have kept an anon dedis in past, and was VERY easy to avoid handing anything over. Unless they had personally seized from my company, i was

Re: [Full-disclosure] VPN provider helped track down alleged LulzSec member

2011-09-30 Thread xD 0x41
They advertised as anonymous VPN to 'everyone'. Then, that would mean, especially NOT locally, thats something wich is also, subject to federal laws though so, in its own country, the provider may have to, nomatter whats advertised, BUT outside of country customers, should not be handed over. isp's

[Full-disclosure] DeepSec 2011 Conference - Final Schedule Published

2011-09-30 Thread DeepSec Conference
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