* Alex Eckelberry:
> I dislike whitelisting. Certainly practical for data entry clerks and
> the like, but I suspect it becomes a royal PITA when you get into other
> types of users. Plus managing software updates, etc.
You should insist on AuthentiCode signatures from your vendors. After
that
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 3:44 AM, Phil Dyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Paul Ferguson wrote:
>
>> The latest version of QuoteFix v0.91 does not seem to work with
>> Outlook 2003.
>
> works for me. What's not working? I know it doesn't work for 2007...
That's what I'm using (at work) too. That is,
For Brian Loe and Drsolly:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7508404.stm
"Most fatal stabbings involve a weapon that is easy to obtain and sharp with
it - a kitchen knife. Would stopping the sale of long blades with sharp
points help save lives?"*
*I think it's even more funny when you conside
--- On Mon, 7/21/08, Alex Eckelberry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I started, like everyone else, eons ago with bottom posting.
Seconded (Thirded, Fourthed).
In a public forum like this one, or in email between known-capable
bottom-posters, I will still bottom-post like this (edit out everything
* Florian Weimer:
> You should insist on AuthentiCode signatures from your vendors.
> After that, you only need to maintain a list of vendors.
I've seen a fair amount of malware that is digitally signed. I just
don't buy the AuthentiCode argument.
Alex
_
* Imri Goldberg:
> For Brian Loe and Drsolly:
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7508404.stm
>
> "Most fatal stabbings involve a weapon that is easy to obtain and sharp with
> it - a kitchen knife. Would stopping the sale of long blades with sharp
> points help save lives?"*
Do these teenage
Digitally signed malware is easy to spot of course. ;-) However a whitelist
should only contain trusted vendors. Accepting any digital signed piece of
software isn't a good idea.
Richard
-Original Message-
From: Alex Eckelberry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 10:
Since banning guns didn't stop the increase in violent crime, nor
universal surveillance, more removing the rights of the law abiding must
be the solution, right?
What happened to the fundamental principle in Common Law that no freeman
may be debarred the use of arms?
The framers of the US Cons
The murder rate in the U.K. is about 5 times lower than the U.S.:
http://fleshisgrass.wordpress.com/2007/04/17/us-and-uk-murder-rate-and-weapo
n/
In the UK (population c. 60.5m) there were 765 reported incidents of murder
for 2005-6 (Home Office, undated) - a rate of about 1.1 per 100,000.
In
There has always been a lot of violence and violent crime in the US.
Thanks to the second amendment we have the right to defend ourselves,
which is the point of the amendment.
Here's an example just the other day from the town I grew up in:
http://www.app.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=200880719
First, this isn't about murder rates, but about the fundamental
underpinning of liberty: that it is we the people, not the state, who
are vested with ultimate power. I'd be willing to accept a 10x higher
chance of being killed over the "safety" of a police state.
But, to your point: The murder ra
t;
said Agnetha Hilding Qvarnström at the prosecutor's office in her decision
which came already on July 10th.
FRA was reported to the police by a private individual following a a broadcast
on Sveriges Television's (SVT) new program Rapport on June 16th."
--clip--
More at
http://
And, of course, "everyone knows" (c) that jail is the best place to put
a criminal so that way he can make up the damage he/she did and then
rehabilitate him/herself.
The skills learned in jail help the rehabilitation and the recidivism
rate of previous offenders is very low of course. :-)
As
I already knew that you can buy kitchen knives in the UK. I *still* like
the idea that it's difficult to buy a gun here.
On Tue, 22 Jul 2008, Imri Goldberg wrote:
> For Brian Loe and Drsolly:
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7508404.stm
>
> "Most fatal stabbings involve a weapon that is
Richard M. Smith wrote:
> The murder rate in the U.S. has dropped a good bit in the ‘90s because
> we are putting more people in prison.
How did you determine the causality on that?
BB
___
Fun and Misc security d
The "glut of teenage stabbings in London" is actually a media invention;
the stats aren't saying there's a sudden huge problem.
On Tue, 22 Jul 2008, Florian Weimer wrote:
> * Imri Goldberg:
>
> > For Brian Loe and Drsolly:
> >
> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7508404.stm
> >
> > "Most f
booking system was discovered and repaired in June, but by
that time many trains had already been over-booked.
A summer of chaos for passengers is forecast with over-full trains and
replacement buses across Sweden, with Gävle the worst hit area."
--clip--
More at
http://www.thelocal.se/13
No wonder you want the right to bear arms, in the USA. How else are you
going to defend yourself from the family member who loses their temper and
picks up a handy gun?
On Tue, 22 Jul 2008, Richard M. Smith wrote:
> The murder rate in the U.K. is about 5 times lower than the U.S.:
>
>
>
> h
On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 14:55:31 CDT, "Richard M. Smith" said:
> In the US (population c. 298.5m) there were an estimated 16,137 homicides in
> 2004 (FBI, 2006a) - a rate of about 5.4 per 100,000. Of these, 10,654 were
> carried out with guns (FBI, 2006b).
How many people died in car crashes in 2004?
On Tue, 22 Jul 2008, Tomas L. Byrnes wrote:
> First, this isn't about murder rates, but about the fundamental
> underpinning of liberty: that it is we the people, not the state, who
> are vested with ultimate power. I'd be willing to accept a 10x higher
> chance of being killed over the "safety" o
I didn't' say 10% more, I said 10 X, IE 1000%
Give me liberty or give a give me death.
> -Original Message-
> From: Drsolly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 2:04 PM
> To: Tomas L. Byrnes
> Cc: Richard M. Smith; funsec@linuxbox.org
> Subject: Re: [funsec] The rig
And we're also not subjects of her majesty (lack of capitalization
deliberate) with only those privileges a Scot sees fit to hand down.
> -Original Message-
> From: Drsolly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 2:04 PM
> To: Tomas L. Byrnes
> Cc: Richard M. Smith; fun
I don't want to ban guns in the U.S. I just wish Americans would stop
lecturing the rest of the world how to run their own criminal justice
systems. It's downright embarrassing given our track record.
Richard
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sen
>From Sveriges Radio International:
"The Swedish Defence minister Sten Tolgfors has dismissed demands from Liberal
parliamentarians that a person must be suspected of a crime before their
communications are monitored by the new FRA law.
The Conservative Moderate minister argues that Sweden must
>- Original Message -
>From: "Daniel H. Renner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To:
>Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 9:53 PM
>Subject: Re: [funsec] The right to bear arms & make salad
>
>And, of course, "everyone knows"...
Everyone knows Gadi meant to call this list gunsec, but his finger slipped
one
Well, it seems I've reopened a Pandora's box, which was not really my
intention. (My intention was to have a laugh at the obvious absurdity of
banning sharp cutlery).
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 11:53 PM, Daniel H. Renner <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Are firewalls next to be banned?
>
Obviously fir
"The security researcher who demonstrated the 'cold boot' attack has released
the source code for the hack.
The attack, first demonstrated in February, uses a set of utilities to lift
crypto keys from memory even after a reboot.
A boon for hackers and computer forensics experts alike, the approa
"US paranoia about Chinese computer hackers has created a diplomatic dilemma
about whether or not to warn visitors and business people traveling to next
month's Beijing Olympics about cyber-security risks.
Last month the department of Homeland Security privately warned government and
key privat
More effectively than the one who picks up a meatcleaver in the UK.
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Drsolly
> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 2:02 PM
> To: Richard M. Smith
> Cc: funsec@linuxbox.org
> Subject: Re: [funsec] The right t
> And the UK gun ban resulted in an INCREASE in crime with Guns, not a
> decrease:
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/1440764.stm
If we have to have this chauvinistic
knock-the-Brits-and-let's-all-have-the-right-to-shoot-people stuff
every so often, can we at least get some of the facts right?
How about dealing with Medical Malpractice, 195,000 at least in 2004:
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/11856.php
But the AMA jumps on the anti-gun bandwagon:
http://www.ama-assn.org/amednews/2001/12/17/edca1217.htm
Despite the number of total deaths for the most recent year available
(
I wasn't. I was telling the Brit to stop telling us how to run ours. We
had a revolution 232 years ago to establish supremacy of the people,
instead of the crown. We are pretty unique in the fundamental concept of
our government: that the power is delegated from the people to the
government, and th
Oops. My eyes aren't what they used to be!
On Tue, 22 Jul 2008, Tomas L. Byrnes wrote:
> I didn't' say 10% more, I said 10 X, IE 1000%
>
> Give me liberty or give a give me death.
>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Drsolly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008
On Tue, 22 Jul 2008, Tomas L. Byrnes wrote:
> And we're also not subjects of her majesty (lack of capitalization
> deliberate) with only those privileges a Scot sees fit to hand down.
True, but if you applied for British Citizenship, you might be accepted
into this great nation of ours. Of cours
OTOH, the U.S. Customs has no problem snooping on people's laptop when they
enter the U.S...
Richard
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Juha-Matti Laurio
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 4:56 PM
To: funsec@linuxbox.org
Subject: [funsec] US cy
Actually the U.S. government has been involved in car safety standards for
30+ years. During this time, automobile death rates have dropped
substantially.
U.S. government anti-smoking campaigns have also dropped smoking rates and
smoking-related deaths substantially. Imagine flying on an airplan
On Wed, 23 Jul 2008, Imri Goldberg wrote:
> Well, it seems I've reopened a Pandora's box, which was not really my
> intention. (My intention was to have a laugh at the obvious absurdity of
> banning sharp cutlery).
>
> On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 11:53 PM, Daniel H. Renner <
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrot
Yes, but the US has not chosen to ban the automobile, or require
governors on cars to force them to the speed limit.
When a gun banner asks why I "need" a semi-automatic magazine fed
weapon, I ask them why their limousine "liberal" arse "needs" a car that
can exceed the legal speed limit (invariab
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> From: "Daniel H. Renner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To:
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 9:53 PM
>> Subject: Re: [funsec] The right to bear arms & make salad
>>
>
>> And, of course, "everyone knows"...
>
> Everyone knows Gadi meant to call this list gunsec, but his finger
On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 15:24:06 PDT, "Tomas L. Byrnes" said:
> More effectively than the one who picks up a meatcleaver in the UK.
If the guy's got a meat cleaver, I can probably hum the first few bars
of "Gimme Three Steps" by Lynyrd Skynyrd, and have a reasonably good chance
if I make it out the do
-Original Message-
From: Tomas L. Byrnes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 6:21 PM
To: Richard M. Smith; funsec@linuxbox.org
Subject: RE: [funsec] The right to bear arms & make salad
>>> The fact that a tyranny would face armed opposition is probably one of
>>> the ma
I was referring to me having the 9mm, versus having to pick up a knife.
The criminals will always have a weapon, and I have a wife and young
children, so running out the door is not an option.
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, July
On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 16:21:13 PDT, "Tomas L. Byrnes" said:
> The most fundamental power, the 4th check and balance built into our
> Constitution, the right of "ultimate sanction" (revolution) against a
> tyrant, and the means to execute it (firearms) are explicitly codified
> into our system of gov
Indeed. And let the Iranians defend themselves as well.
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Tomas L. Byrnes
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 4:21 PM
To: Richard M. Smith; funsec@linuxbox.org
Subject: Re: [funsec] The right to bear arms & make sal
On Tue, 22 Jul 2008, Florian Weimer wrote:
> * Imri Goldberg:
>
>> For Brian Loe and Drsolly:
>>
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7508404.stm
>>
>> "Most fatal stabbings involve a weapon that is easy to obtain and sharp with
>> it - a kitchen knife. Would stopping the sale of long blades with
On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 17:19:19 PDT, "Daniel H. Renner" said:
> Actually, that would be one byte Alex... :-D
Go look up the ascii codes for the two characters in question, convert to
binary, and ponder. :)
pgpRSV97pddj0.pgp
Description: PGP signature
__
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 4:02 PM
> If we're looking at banning stuff because people are dying, let's at least
> save more lives by banning cars, tobacco, alcohol, and fat people.
That is a foul and base canard. It is actually very diffic
On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 17:50:12 PDT, "Tomas L. Byrnes" said:
> I was referring to me having the 9mm, versus having to pick up a knife.
Right, at which point you're the guy I'm trying to dodge :)
pgpFT8jBXljr6.pgp
Description: PGP signature
___
Fun and Mi
Date sent: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 16:21:13 -0700
From: "Tomas L. Byrnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> We
> had a revolution 232 years ago
"The peasants are revolting!"
"*Tell* me about it ..."
> to establish supremacy of the people,
> instead of the crown.
Almost got it right,
Don't tell me how to understand what you say. Say it better if you want me
to take something else from it. :P
Next you'll be J. K. Rowling and tell me Dumbledore is gay (rather than
write it)
Gadi.
On Wed, 23 Jul 2008, Imri Goldberg wrote:
> Well, it seems I've reopened a Pandora's b
Here's a very similar situation down south that ended very tragically:
Natchez man shoots wife in mistaken home invasion
http://www.natchezdemocrat.com/news/2008/jan/01/natchez-man-shoots-wife-mist
aken-home-invasion/
Richard
From: Larry Seltzer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent:
Daniel H. Renner wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>> From: "Daniel H. Renner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To:
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 9:53 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [funsec] The right to bear arms & make salad
>>>
>>> And, of course, "everyone knows"...
>> Everyone knows Gadi meant to call this l
Given that slaves were not permitted to own guns, that's a perfect
example of what can happen to a disarmed populace.
Richard M. Smith wrote:
> -Original Message-
> From: Tomas L. Byrnes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 6:21 PM
> To: Richard M. Smith; funsec@linuxb
Richard M. Smith to Tomas L. Byrnes (??):
> >>> The fact that a tyranny would face armed opposition is probably one of
> >>> the main reasons one hasn't arisen in the US
>
> Surely slavery was an example of tyranny in America..
It didn't really arise in the US though -- more the founding fat
On Tue, 22 Jul 2008, Rob, grandpa of Ryan, Trevor, Devon & Hannah wrote:
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 4:02 PM
>
>> If we're looking at banning stuff because people are dying, let's at least
>> save more lives by banning cars, tobacco, alcohol,
Absolutely! Note that the slaves were the only Americans that were
debarred the use of arms post revolution. Also, the only Supreme Court
decision the anti-gun crowd can point to as supporting their viewpoint,
Cruikshank, is a support of a Jim Crow law by a racist court.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wi
"Daniel H. Renner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
Actually, that would be one byte Alex... :-D
<<
Ahem!
g = 67h = 01100111b
- f = 66h = 01100110b
-
= 01h =1b
=
Looks like only a little bit of a difference, to me.
Best,
--- Les Bell, RHCE,
If they are sharp, ban'em! :-) Now, with that said, why have we banned
certain items in themselves
are not dangerous, except when brought on a plane (thinking of lighters and
such)?
=
I top post, get over it.
Gadi said:
>> Let's ban belts (or belt buckles).
You must be a lobbyist for the suspender industry.,
What if someone comes at you with a bunch of raspberries or a banana?
Answer: Simply pull the lever and the 16 ton weight will fall on them.
Larry Seltzer
eWEEK.com Security Center Editor
http://security.ew
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Via The San Francisco Chronicle.
[snip]
The San Francisco computer engineer accused of withholding access codes to
the city's network surrendered the password during an unusual jailhouse
visit by Mayor Gavin Newsom, authorities said Tuesday.
Newsom
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- -- Gadi Evron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Don't tell me how to understand what you say. Say it better if you want me
>
to take something else from it. :P
>
>Next you'll be J. K. Rowling and tell me Dumbledore is gay (rather than
write it)
>
Just
But if the raspberry is delivered from a rampart, what would one do?
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Larry Seltzer
> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 7:37 PM
> To: Gadi Evron; Florian Weimer
> Cc: funsec@linuxbox.org
> Subject: Re: [fu
My DNS servers were immune to begin with, but I have an unfair
advantage.
Hence my ability to play on funsec, as opposed to live in patch and test
hell.
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Ferguson
> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008
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- -- Gadi Evron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Gadi vs. Car. Gadi wins.
Depends on what kind of car.
SMART car? Sure, you win. :-)
Hummer? H. ;-)
- - ferg
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- -- "Tomas L. Byrnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>But if the raspberry is delivered from a rampart, what would one do?
Respond with a Blackberry? ;-)
- - ferg
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Perhaps, but only if the Blackberry has a Trojan.
> -Original Message-
> From: Paul Ferguson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 9:34 PM
> To: Tomas L. Byrnes
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]; funsec@linuxbox.org
> Subject: Re: [funs
The beauty of an armed populace is that when you need a firearm, they are
always nearby (only idiots would use their own gun to commit a crime).
I always thought, as a non-american, that the 2nd amendment was to provide
more of an arms balance against between public and military. A deterrent
again
I can't believe the guns crap subject is once again poisoning the
list... This list is supposed to be fun, and this subject is no more
than disgusting. Please stop this discussion, as nobody is going to say
that the other one is right.
--
Regards,
Julio Canto | VirusTotal.com | Hispasec Siste
On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 18:24:50 PDT, Blue Boar said:
> ryanlrussell:~ ryanlrussell$ perl -e "print ord('g')-ord('f').\"\\n\""
> 1
>
> Looks like 1 bit to me.
Right, but look at ord('h')-ord('g'), and the bit representations of those two.
instead of 'minus', you probably want 'xor' ;)
pgpBiZFElfI
Nicely done sir.
ryanlrussell:~ ryanlrussell$ perl -e "print ord('g')^ord('f'),\"\\n\""
1
BB
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 18:24:50 PDT, Blue Boar said:
>
>> ryanlrussell:~ ryanlrussell$ perl -e "print ord('g')-ord('f').\"\\n\""
>> 1
>>
>> Looks
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