Re: [fw-general] Smarty Poll Question

2008-09-30 Thread Tony Ford
Sure, I won't disagree with any of your points, but I'm choosing to not assume anything. That's why we benchmark. - Tony On 9/29/2008 1:41 AM, Karol Grecki wrote: Rendering views is usually not a bottleneck in any application. Even if Smarty is slow, it should still account for a just a

Re: [fw-general] Smarty Poll Question

2008-09-29 Thread Karol Grecki
Rendering views is usually not a bottleneck in any application. Even if Smarty is slow, it should still account for a just a fraction of total request time. I'm not big on Smarty so normally I wouldn't hold you back, but I think your intentions are misplaced. Performance is the last thing I

Re: [fw-general] Smarty Poll Question

2008-09-25 Thread Karol Grecki
It's unlikely that you will see any significant speed difference between the two. You're better off making sure that everything is cached properly instead of wasting time on refactoring. Karol Tony Ford wrote: We still use smarty for basic legacy reasons. I'm interested in running some

Re: [fw-general] Smarty Poll Question

2008-09-24 Thread Matthew Ratzloff
Giant things are tens of thousands of users? :-) We use Smarty for a variety of sites that generate a lot of traffic (television networks, telecoms). With proper caching, it does fine. But developer sanity suffers (for both front end and back end developers). We have a lot of experience with

Re: [fw-general] Smarty Poll Question

2008-09-24 Thread Bradley Holt
Garrison, Good to see you on the list (we met at ZendCon)! I used to use Smarty but stopped using it a couple of years ago. The main reason I used Smarty was to separate display and business logic. Zend Framework's MVC components provide the separation I need and make it so there is no reason for

Re: [fw-general] Smarty Poll Question

2008-09-24 Thread Peter Wansch
We looked into using Smarty for a brand new project but determined that using Zend_Layout with Zend_Controller MVC satisfied all our requirements re. view separation and using templates. Also page caching with Zend_Cache works nicely with MVC and we use a Zend_Acl based plugin for security. We

Re: [fw-general] Smarty Poll Question

2008-09-24 Thread till
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 8:58 PM, Garrison Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know this usually starts a big war, but I was just curious about how many people out there are using Smarty and to what extent you're using it? If you're not using it, why did you decide to not use it? If you are,

Re: [fw-general] Smarty Poll Question

2008-09-24 Thread Michael Patrick
Garrison Locke wrote: I know this usually starts a big war, but I was just curious about how many people out there are using Smarty and to what extent you're using it? If you're not using it, why did you decide to not use it? If you are, why? Also, if you're using it, how big or small are the

Re: [fw-general] Smarty Poll Question

2008-09-24 Thread Karol Grecki
Used it few years ago when css adoption was poor and there were no decent mvc frameworks. Nowadays it's no longer necessary. It's also old php4 code that I'd rather stay away from. Karol Garrison Locke wrote: I know this usually starts a big war, but I was just curious about how many

Re: [fw-general] Smarty Poll Question

2008-09-24 Thread Tony Ford
We still use smarty for basic legacy reasons. I'm interested in running some benchmarks between zend view and smarty. If there is a significant performance increase I'll consider refactoring all of our views over time. I plan to do our own benchmarking in the next couple of months, so I'll

RE: [fw-general] Smarty Poll Question

2008-09-24 Thread Wil Sinclair
at. ,Wil -Original Message- From: Tony Ford [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 2:40 PM To: fw-general@lists.zend.com Subject: Re: [fw-general] Smarty Poll Question We still use smarty for basic legacy reasons. I'm interested in running some benchmarks between