Re: PowerMac G4 into stable NAS?

Get 1 GB more of RAM, two 500 GB SATA hard drives, a Super Drive and a SATA controller that plugs into a PCI slot. --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Jaime Ignacio wrote: From: Jaime Ignacio Subject: PowerMac G4 into stable NAS? To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 11:04 PM Hi guys, I

Re: OT - Photos

> On 6 Apr 2009, at 22:39:32 PDT, PETE wrote: > >> I have some old photos without negatives. I want to transfer them >> to my mac without losing quality. (I sold my scanner several years >> ago!). On Apr 7, 2009, at 1:06 AM, Ken Daggett wrote: > A scanner is the only reasonable way I know of. A

Re: Safari 4 beta Problems still?

On Apr 6, 2009, at 10:48 PM, joe wrote: > I still think it's the best browser I've used in a while. Agreed. > I do have these problems: > 1)It causes messages in Mail to be half invisible until you select a > part of the text I'm not sure what you're talking about? My Mail.app behaves normal

Re: OT - Photos

On 07/04/2009, at 3:39 PM, PETE wrote: > I have some old photos without negatives. I want to transfer them to > my mac without losing quality. (I sold my scanner several years ago!). > TIA. > Pete > G'day Pete. If you've got access to a reasonable digital camera, take photos of your old ph

Re: OT - Photos

On 6 Apr 2009, at 22:39:32 PDT, PETE wrote: > I have some old photos without negatives. I want to transfer them > to my mac without losing quality. (I sold my scanner several years > ago!). > TIA. > Pete > So, what's the question? If you are talking about printed photos, you

OT - Photos

I have some old photos without negatives. I want to transfer them to my mac without losing quality. (I sold my scanner several years ago!). TIA. Pete --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a gr

Re: Safari 4 beta Problems still?

I still think it's the best browser I've used in a while. I do have these problems: 1)It causes messages in Mail to be half invisible until you select a part of the text 2)With Webkit, it always reports problems on startup (which I've figured out is the ClickToFlash plug-in that I like a lot,

Re: Safari 4 beta Problems still?

On Apr 6, 2009, at 8:19 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: > > On Apr 6, 2009, at 9:46 PM, MacGuy wrote: > >> Safari 4 beta Problems still? > > What problems? > Kris, I asked a question... so I'm assuming by your answer, that you're not having problems with Safari 4 beta. This is good. Jeff --~

Re: PowerMac G4 into stable NAS?

At 11:04 AM +0800 4/7/09, Jaime Ignacio posted: Hi guys, I've seen a couple of articles around the web about turning a PowerMacg4 into a servicable NAS but I have a particular problem where I live in Hong Kong and getting parts that are compatible with older macs is a real headache (especially

Re: Safari 4 beta Problems still?

On Apr 6, 2009, at 9:46 PM, MacGuy wrote: > Safari 4 beta Problems still? What problems? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular f

Re: question about our Group

On Apr 4, 5:32 am, Lawrence David Eden wrote: > I have a Sonnet upgrade card that I no longer use.  Is it OK on this > list to offer items like this for sale to members of our Group? They say you are allowed one item per year (per group I think) Personally, I would like to use that one chance

PowerMac G4 into stable NAS?

Hi guys, I've seen a couple of articles around the web about turning a PowerMacg4 into a servicable NAS but I have a particular problem where I live in Hong Kong and getting parts that are compatible with older macs is a real headache (especially if you don't speak Cantonese). I was just wondering

Safari 4 beta Problems still?

been waiting to download the Safari 4 beta till all the bugs are out (or most of them) anything I need to know before download/install? Thanks, Jeff --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for

Re: Erase a drive to sell

On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 2:35 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: > > > On Apr 6, 2009, at 11:17 AM, Kris Tilford wrote: > > > > > On Apr 6, 2009, at 10:34 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: > > > >> The one time Hollyweird got it right was in the Mel Gibson movie > >> where > >> he had thermite charges wired to the top

Re: Appleworks vs a truetype font

On Apr 6, 2009, at 3:48 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: > > > and second DAMNYOU FOR LINKING THAT SITE!!! > > I took just one look and fell all the way off the wagon into craven > fontaholic behavior again...:-P > > Gonna be wandering the streets at 3 AM, clothes reeking of toner and > silkscreen ink,

Re: Appleworks vs a truetype font

At 1:48 PM -0700 4/6/2009, Bruce Johnson wrote: >On Apr 6, 2009, at 12:31 PM, Dan wrote: > > How do you tell AppleWorks to see the new font? > >Do you have tons of fonts installed? istvr some strange limit on the >number of fonts in AW Yes, lot of fonts. But ripping 'em out, leaving only a

Re: Installing a GeForce 4MX ...

On Apr 6, 2009, at 8:46 PM, insightinmind wrote: > What am I missing? I think you need to trash the Extensions.mkext file and reboot: System>Library>Extensions.mkext --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 L

Re: Appleworks vs a truetype font

On Apr 6, 2009, at 3:31 PM, Dan wrote: > > Gotta be something obvious I'm missing. > > I want to use a new font in Appleworks 6.2.9. (on my Smurf, OS X > 10.4.11). > > I download this font: > > > And used FontBook to install the ttf file. > > It

Installing a GeForce 4MX ...

I just replaced my ATI Radeon 9800Pro with my old, but still good, nVidia GeForce 4MX ... and nothing I've tried will get it to come up under my user account. It comes up under Safe Boot and the Installation DVD. I've reseated it ... PRAM reset ... Removed the Battery ... PRAM Reset ... Th

Re: QS G4 & 10.5

> > > On Apr 6, 2009, at 5:56 PM, Sam Macomber wrote: > >> >> >> On Apr 6, 2009, at 5:30 PM, insightinmind wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Apr 6, 2009, at 5:24 PM, Sam Macomber wrote: >>> >>> I'll try pulling the USB card tonight... Also have to deal with my AppleTV, gone all wonky o

Re: QS G4 & 10.5

On Apr 6, 2009, at 5:56 PM, Sam Macomber wrote: > > > On Apr 6, 2009, at 5:30 PM, insightinmind wrote: > >> >> >> On Apr 6, 2009, at 5:24 PM, Sam Macomber wrote: >> >> >>> >>> >>> I'll try pulling the USB card tonight... Also have to deal with my >>> AppleTV, gone all wonky on us... >> >> >> Re

External fan connector?

Poking around my MDD fw800, I came across an "External fan connector". It's a two pin fan connector that is right next to the airport card and is unused. I would like to use this connector for a PCI fan? is this connector temp controlled? Jeff Engle Kamiah Idaho 83536 --~--~-~--~--

Re: Erase a drive to sell

Bruce... On Apr 6, 2009, at 8:34 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: > > > On Apr 4, 2009, at 1:53 PM, Steve R wrote: > >> >> I thought one of the ways security minded people ensured thieves and >> law enforcement type people didn't gain access to their data was by >> creating a magnetic loop around the do

Re: Invisible drive

George... On Apr 6, 2009, at 1:23 PM, George R. Hozendorf wrote: > I don't think this is off topic, but if someone does, my apologies. > I ran Boot Camp to make a windows partition and used rEFit to > provide a boot screen at start up. The drive the window os is on is > not visible in the

Re: Erase a drive to sell

On Apr 6, 2009, at 1:35 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: > > > This is what thermite does: > > > > When you've poured molten iron (melting point 1535 C) all over your > aluminum (MP 660 C) hard drive, you ain't recovering jack, especially > if you do it right and contain the

Re: QS G4 & 10.5

On Apr 6, 2009, at 5:30 PM, insightinmind wrote: > > > On Apr 6, 2009, at 5:24 PM, Sam Macomber wrote: > > >> >> >> I'll try pulling the USB card tonight... Also have to deal with my >> AppleTV, gone all wonky on us... > > > Recent experience with 10.5.6, says turn off all types of file > shari

Re: QS G4 & 10.5

On Apr 6, 2009, at 5:24 PM, Sam Macomber wrote: > > > I'll try pulling the USB card tonight... Also have to deal with my > AppleTV, gone all wonky on us... Recent experience with 10.5.6, says turn off all types of file sharing, and in iTunes , turn off things that search/look for externa

Re: Invisible Drive partition

On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 5:05 PM, George R. Hozendorf wrote: > > I installed Windows using Boot Camp and rEFit.  The partition formed > doesn't show up in the Finder.  It is dimmed in Disk Utility.  I > cannot find the Windows OS with Spotlight or Easy Find.  Would someone > please explain what's g

Re: Invisible drive

On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 4:23 PM, George R. Hozendorf wrote: > I don't think this is off topic, but if someone does, my apologies.  I ran > Boot Camp to make a windows partition and used rEFit to provide a boot > screen at start up.  The drive the window os is on is not visible in the > finder.  Wh

Re: QS G4 & 10.5

On Apr 6, 2009, at 5:03 PM, insightinmind wrote: > > > On Apr 6, 2009, at 5:01 PM, insightinmind wrote: > >> >> >> On Apr 6, 2009, at 11:47 AM, Sam Macomber wrote: >> >>> >>> Ok, so as much as I wanted a new iMac the money just isn't there >>> so >>> for the time being I threw together a mac

Invisible Drive partition

I installed Windows using Boot Camp and rEFit. The partition formed doesn't show up in the Finder. It is dimmed in Disk Utility. I cannot find the Windows OS with Spotlight or Easy Find. Would someone please explain what's going on? Booting into Windows via rEFit works flawlessly. Georg

Re: QS G4 & 10.5

On Apr 6, 2009, at 5:01 PM, insightinmind wrote: > > > On Apr 6, 2009, at 11:47 AM, Sam Macomber wrote: > >> >> Ok, so as much as I wanted a new iMac the money just isn't there so >> for the time being I threw together a machine from parts that we were >> getting rid of at work.After much

Re: QS G4 & 10.5

On Apr 6, 2009, at 11:47 AM, Sam Macomber wrote: > > Ok, so as much as I wanted a new iMac the money just isn't there so > for the time being I threw together a machine from parts that we were > getting rid of at work.After much fiddling to get OS9 on the > machine to update the firmware o

Re: Appleworks vs a truetype font

On Apr 6, 2009, at 12:31 PM, Dan wrote: > > Gotta be something obvious I'm missing. > > I want to use a new font in Appleworks 6.2.9. (on my Smurf, OS X > 10.4.11). > > I download this font: > > > And used FontBook to install the ttf file. > > It

Re: 10.5 Stopped Auto Logging-in on Home Wireless Network

SOLVED_SOLVED_SOLVED The problem is fixed now! There was a compound issue of mis-labeled notes as to what the router access password was and the encryption key password was. My lack of routine use of these kind of items meant I didn't catch the 'obvious' difference between the two based on size

Re: MailForge Re: What is the point of Mail.app??

>I have been using Eudora for many years with OS 8, 9 and X. I have >no complaints. Are other Eudora users on the List dissatisfied with >the program? What are your complaints and why are you interested in >replacing Eudora? > >Larry I have been using Eudora from Eudora 1.3.1 to 6.2.4 (all of

Invisible drive

I don't think this is off topic, but if someone does, my apologies. I ran Boot Camp to make a windows partition and used rEFit to provide a boot screen at start up. The drive the window os is on is not visible in the finder. When I open Disk Utility it is visible, but dimmed and named di

Re: Transporting an HP LaserJet

At 3:46 PM -0400 4/6/09, Dan posted: > How sturdy is an HP LaserJet 4100n? > Would one survive bouncing around in an RV? > Any special care needed? > I've shipped my HP LaserJet via UPS from west coast to east coast, then travelled with it in a VW van on the floor over hundreds of miles of g

Re: LCD Cleaning???

Bruce S.: Are you talking 90 PROOF (i.e. "drinking") alcohol, or did you mean to say 90 PERCENT (i.e. isopropyl) alcohol? Andy On Apr 4, 2:49 am, Bruce wrote: > James E. Therrault wrote: > > I love my 22" Samsung but I need to clean the screen without destroying > > anything. What's the best s

Transporting an HP LaserJet

How sturdy is an HP LaserJet 4100n? Would one survive bouncing around in an RV? Any special care needed? Thx, - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-

Appleworks vs a truetype font

Gotta be something obvious I'm missing. I want to use a new font in Appleworks 6.2.9. (on my Smurf, OS X 10.4.11). I download this font: And used FontBook to install the ttf file. It works fine in newer apps, like TextEdit. But I can't seem to g

Re: Erase a drive to sell

>On Apr 4, 2009, at 3:02 PM, Ernest L. Gunerius wrote: > >> >> I am assuming all HD cases are made of Ferrous material. > >They're not, they're typically made of machined aluminum; in fact the >technology used to make hard drive cases lead to the technology used >to make MacBook Air and now the

Re: How do I partition a drive?

On Apr 6, 2009, at 12:26 PM, Steve R wrote: > I guess I've been lucky. So, without using InTech tools, and say > having a 250GB hard drive, I could conceivably create a first > partition of 125GB, a second partition of 5GB that would remain > unused so nothing writes to it, and a third partition

Re: How do I partition a drive?

At 11:44 AM -0700 4/6/09, PETE posted: Actually I want whatever works. Thanks. Pete. So do I ;-) Since my current partitioning scheme is wrong (both replies explained it rather well so I finally 'get' it), and I'm not prepared to fork out $$, I'm interested in other ways of correct partition

Re: How do I partition a drive?

At 1:48 PM -0500 4/6/09, Kris Tilford posted: > On Apr 6, 2009, at 1:28 PM, Steve R wrote: > >> Why all the concern of getting the 128GB so exact? > > The reason is that IF you're using the FULL size of the HD (i.e. a HD > GREATER than the 128 GB limit), you don't want any partition SPANNING >

Re: How do I partition a drive?

On Apr 6, 2009, at 11:44 AM, PETE wrote: > My G3 iMac and B&W both have the 120GB limit, and I just partitioned > the drives so that both partitions were less than 100GB. Why all the > concern of getting the 128GB so exact? Because the firmware in the QS 2001 and earlier models do not support

Re: 10.5 Stopped Auto Logging-in on Home Wireless Network

On Apr 6, 2:15 pm, Bruce Johnson wrote: > On Apr 6, 2009, at 9:55 AM, aussieshepsrock wrote: > > > Upon > > returning it autologged into the home network without issue for 3 > > weeks, but a week ago it started not trying to auto connect upon > > restart or waking from sleep and when the home n

Re: 10.5 Stopped Auto Logging-in on Home Wireless Network

On Apr 6, 12:55 pm, aussieshepsrock wrote: > Greetings - > A G4 1.3ghz with 120gig/768mb running 10.5.6 (laptop) has stopped > logging in automatically to our home wireless network (Linksys router > distributing (properly) our cable internet to a wired PC, wirelessly > to a PC laptop, and a wir

Re: How do I partition a drive?

Actually I want whatever works. Thanks. Pete. --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Steve R wrote: From: Steve R Subject: Re: How do I partition a drive? To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 11:28 AM At 1:17 PM -0500 4/6/09, Kris Tilford posted: >  On Apr 6, 2009, at 11:48 AM, PETE wrote

Re: MailForge Re: What is the point of Mail.app??

At 9:42 AM -0400 4/6/2009, Lawrence David Eden wrote: >I have been using Eudora for many years with OS 8, 9 and X. I have >no complaints. Are other Eudora users on the List dissatisfied with >the program? What are your complaints and why are you interested in >replacing Eudora? My only complai

Re: How do I partition a drive?

On Apr 6, 2009, at 1:28 PM, Steve R wrote: > > My G3 iMac and B&W both have the 120GB limit, and I just partitioned > the drives so that both partitions were less than 100GB. Why all the > concern of getting the 128GB so exact? One would think that the boundary wouldn't matter as long as you made

Re: How do I partition a drive?

On Apr 6, 2009, at 1:28 PM, Steve R wrote: > Why all the concern of getting the 128GB so exact? The reason is that IF you're using the FULL size of the HD (i.e. a HD GREATER than the 128 GB limit), you don't want any partition SPANNING the 128 GB limitation point (spanning means having addre

Re: Erase a drive to sell

On Apr 6, 2009, at 11:17 AM, Kris Tilford wrote: > > On Apr 6, 2009, at 10:34 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: > >> The one time Hollyweird got it right was in the Mel Gibson movie >> where >> he had thermite charges wired to the top of his drives. > > > NASA was able to salvage and recover the data o

Re: How do I partition a drive?

At 1:17 PM -0500 4/6/09, Kris Tilford posted: > On Apr 6, 2009, at 11:48 AM, PETE wrote: > >> how can I utilize the whole 160 gigs without loosing 32 gigs? > My G3 iMac and B&W both have the 120GB limit, and I just partitioned the drives so that both partitions were less than 100GB. Why all th

Re: 10.5 Stopped Auto Logging-in on Home Wireless Network

On Apr 6, 2009, at 9:55 AM, aussieshepsrock wrote: > Upon > returning it autologged into the home network without issue for 3 > weeks, but a week ago it started not trying to auto connect upon > restart or waking from sleep and when the home network is maually > selectet from the menubar drop-do

Re: How do I partition a drive?

On Apr 6, 2009, at 11:48 AM, PETE wrote: > how can I utilize the whole 160 gigs without loosing 32 gigs? Overdrive is free and will get you your 22 GB (not 32, a 160GB HD gives only 150GB usable). Place a partition break at the exact 128 GB spot (131,072MB) for safety.

Re: Erase a drive to sell

On Apr 6, 2009, at 10:34 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: > The one time Hollyweird got it right was in the Mel Gibson movie where > he had thermite charges wired to the top of his drives. NASA was able to salvage and recover the data off the HDs that burned up in the Columbia shuttle accident. The

Re: How do I partition a drive?

On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 11:48 AM, PETE wrote: > I need to partition two drives, one for my quicksilver and the other for my > PowerBook. I figure the process is the same, so I'll ask the questions here. > I have a 160 gig drive but my PowerBook will only see 128 gigs. How can I > partition it so t

Re: Partitioning

On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 10:51 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: > > Alas on the PPC version of diskutil, you can't do that. I suspect it > only works with GUID partitions, not > of the partition scheme used on PPC macs. > While that's very true, at the bottom of George's email was the following signatur

10.5 Stopped Auto Logging-in on Home Wireless Network

Greetings - A G4 1.3ghz with 120gig/768mb running 10.5.6 (laptop) has stopped logging in automatically to our home wireless network (Linksys router distributing (properly) our cable internet to a wired PC, wirelessly to a PC laptop, and a wireless Mini running 10.4.11). I am completely lost resolv

How do I partition a drive?

I need to partition two drives, one for my quicksilver and the other for my PowerBook. I figure the process is the same, so I'll ask the questions here. I have a 160 gig drive but my PowerBook will only see 128 gigs. How can I partition it so that I can install the OS in one sector (somebody sug

Re: Erase a drive to sell

At 11:53 AM -0400 4/6/09, Sam Macomber posted: > Really whole thing is a gigantic PITA. should see the stack of old > drives I've collected from old machines we've sold or given away here > at work. > Are you familiar with the Instructables website? Lots of interesting ideas of what to do wi

Re: resurrecting a hard drive?

On Apr 4, 2009, at 3:24 PM, insightinmind wrote: > Still wondering about the force surrounding the spinning HD > plates ... as long as the plates stay alignrd and don't crash ... > everything's probably A-OK ? Hard drives are just fine runnign like this. I"ve even picked them up and moved th

Re: Erase a drive to sell

Really whole thing is a gigantic PITA. should see the stack of old drives I've collected from old machines we've sold or given away here at work. -sam --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group

Re: Partitioning

On Apr 6, 2009, at 7:53 AM, Eric Volker wrote: > you will need the command line utility > "diskutil" with the "resizeVolume" parameter. Or perhaps, > "splitPartition" would work better. At any rate, once you're done > with "diskutil" you'll end up with your data on a shrunk HFS+ (aka OS > X) pa

Re: Erase a drive to sell

> > >> >> I thought one of the ways security minded people ensured thieves and >> law enforcement type people didn't gain access to their data was by >> creating a magnetic loop around the doorframe of their designated >> computer room so that the information on the drives was rendered >> useless

Re: MailForge Re: What is the point of Mail.app??

On Apr 6, 2009, at 6:42 AM, Lawrence David Eden wrote: > > I have been using Eudora for many years with OS 8, 9 and X. I have > no complaints. Are other Eudora users on the List dissatisfied with > the program? What are your complaints and why are you interested in > replacing Eudora? On an

QS G4 & 10.5

Ok, so as much as I wanted a new iMac the money just isn't there so for the time being I threw together a machine from parts that we were getting rid of at work.After much fiddling to get OS9 on the machine to update the firmware on the PATA card(royal PITA) it seems to be all runn

Re: Erase a drive to sell

On Apr 4, 2009, at 11:32 PM, Kyle Hansen wrote: > The magnetic signal written to a sector can be read (remnants of it) > even > after writing zero’s to it more than 10 times. It is just more > difficult > and takes more time. What they do now is layer the zero writes and > follow > the p

Re: Erase a drive to sell

On Apr 4, 2009, at 3:02 PM, Ernest L. Gunerius wrote: > > I am assuming all HD cases are made of Ferrous material. They're not, they're typically made of machined aluminum; in fact the technology used to make hard drive cases lead to the technology used to make MacBook Air and now the MacBo

Re: Erase a drive to sell

On Apr 4, 2009, at 1:53 PM, Steve R wrote: > > I thought one of the ways security minded people ensured thieves and > law enforcement type people didn't gain access to their data was by > creating a magnetic loop around the doorframe of their designated > computer room so that the information on

Re: List Nanny

Folks, This was a comment about someone's sig at the bottom of the email. There are no political threads on the G3-5 list. As long as a sig is not blatantly offensive, not hate speech and is appropriate for all genders and ages, and they stay on the shorter side (a couple of lines) we allo

Re: MailForge Re: What is the point of Mail.app??

At 09:42 -0400 4/6/09, Lawrence David Eden wrote: >I have been using Eudora for many years with OS 8, 9 and X. I have >no complaints. Are other Eudora users on the List dissatisfied with >the program? What are your complaints and why are you interested in >replacing Eudora? The problem is that

Re: List Nanny

MacGuy wrote: > what thread are we referring to? > On Apr 6, 2009, at 5:54 AM, Norm Rowe wrote: > > >> I think this political "Reaganomics proved what every farmer knows: >> The only >> >> thing that trickles down is fertilizer!" >> Please stop this s**t! >> >> Me too!?! What thread abo

Re: Partitioning

> > On Apr 5, 2009, at 9:30 AM, George R.Hozendorf wrote: > > > I'd like to split an internal HD into Mac OS Extended and NTFS, but > > Disk Utility only gives me the format option of Mac OS Extended > > (Journaled). Is there any way to do this without losing the data on > > the Mac partition?

Re: List Nanny

what thread are we referring to? On Apr 6, 2009, at 5:54 AM, Norm Rowe wrote: > > I think this political "Reaganomics proved what every farmer knows: > The only > > thing that trickles down is fertilizer!" > Please stop this s**t! > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~

Re: MailForge Re: What is the point of Mail.app??

I have been using Eudora for many years with OS 8, 9 and X. I have no complaints. Are other Eudora users on the List dissatisfied with the program? What are your complaints and why are you interested in replacing Eudora? Larry --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You recei

Re: LCD Cleaning???

Seeing as this has gone on for days now, simply don't use it, and totally disregard whatever the manufacturers and chemists say to or not to use on camera optics.It's completely irrelevant in this case because according to other posters, it does not translate over to monitor screens. I

List Nanny

I think this political "Reaganomics proved what every farmer knows: The only thing that trickles down is fertilizer!" Please stop this s**t! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those usi