Re: [Audyssey] Airik the Cleric a scam?

2011-06-14 Thread burakyuksek
:06 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Airik the Cleric a scam? Hi Kevin, I actually tried AutoIt for game development but found that it doesn't work too well. Sure you can make a few simple things with it, but it seriously falls behind if you start getting into speed critical things because it does

Re: [Audyssey] Airik the Cleric a scam?

2011-06-14 Thread Trouble
, June 13, 2011 5:06 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Airik the Cleric a scam? Hi Bryan, True, but often times this community jumps to the wrong conclusion when they don't have any evidence to prove their opinions false. Here is a case in point. Back in 2005 when James North had

Re: [Audyssey] Airik the Cleric a scam?

2011-06-14 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi, I don't want to get into the which language is better than language x debate again, but I do want to say that I've also tried AutoIt, and its really not ideal for any serious game development. There is the speed critical issues like Philip said, and there is security issues that need to be

Re: [Audyssey] Airik the Cleric a scam?

2011-06-14 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi guys, Regardless of how you come down on the issue I do have both VB 6 and VB .Net copies of USA Raceway. It is not complete, but I can say the game was in development when I took over the project. As I understand it James North had just start converting his games to VB .Net a little prior to

Re: [Audyssey] Airik the Cleric a scam?

2011-06-14 Thread Kevin Weispfennig
Hi, *sighs* That was so totally not what I was trying to say. All I really wanted to do is add my opinion on the scam deal, and not talk about Autoit's Problems (Which I'm fully aware about BTW). I was just trying to say that it is possible to throw something together, promissing Enouhg for

Re: [Audyssey] Airik the Cleric a scam?

2011-06-13 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Bryan, Well, the mistake Jacob is making and has made is by setting a date or time period to begin looking for the game. If by chance he misses that do to a real life situation, issue, etc people aren't going to be inclined to believe him regardless of how real the delay is. He should have

Re: [Audyssey] Airik the Cleric a scam?

2011-06-13 Thread Ian McNamara
Hi kept quite quiet on this topic so far. i personaly feel that people should not give releece dates for games and just bring it out when it is done. if i where going to releece a game i would not give any dates at all i'd just releece it and then tell people that it was out. if i where jackup

Re: [Audyssey] Airik the Cleric a scam?

2011-06-13 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Ian, That is my thoughts exactly. If Jacob would not have given any release dates and released the game quietly to the preordered customers all of this scam business could have and would have been avoided, or at least most of it at any rate. Its easy to forget Alchemy and Bavisoft have harmed

Re: [Audyssey] Airik the Cleric a scam?

2011-06-13 Thread dark
by virtue of his very open approach previously. Beware the grue1 Dark. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 8:15 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Airik the Cleric a scam? Hi Bryan, Well

Re: [Audyssey] Airik the Cleric a scam?

2011-06-13 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Dark, In deed. There is more than enough evidence available he is working on the game. The demo and from what I've heard of the game so far means he is creating something. Plus $10 for the game doesn't seem like a lot of money for a scam to me either. Assuming he got 100 preorders that would

Re: [Audyssey] Airik the Cleric a scam?

2011-06-13 Thread Bryan Peterson
charged more for it before screwing people over. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 1:47 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Airik the Cleric a scam? It also strikes me

Re: [Audyssey] Airik the Cleric a scam?

2011-06-13 Thread Ian McNamara
I love the demmo i've played so far and i really hope i get to see this game for real. it looked very promising and with the voice acting to that will make it even better. the fact he's releecing it for mac and itos makes it even cooler if we see it. Ian McNamara --- Gamers mailing list __

Re: [Audyssey] Airik the Cleric a scam?

2011-06-13 Thread Bryan Peterson
McNamara ianandri...@googlemail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 2:17 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Airik the Cleric a scam? I love the demmo i've played so far and i really hope i get to see this game for real. it looked very promising and with the voice

Re: [Audyssey] Airik the Cleric a scam?

2011-06-13 Thread dark
: Monday, June 13, 2011 9:03 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Airik the Cleric a scam? Hi Dark, In deed. There is more than enough evidence available he is working on the game. The demo and from what I've heard of the game so far means he is creating something. Plus $10 for the game doesn't seem like

Re: [Audyssey] Airik the Cleric a scam?

2011-06-13 Thread Bryan Peterson
! - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 2:32 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Airik the Cleric a scam? Hi tom. I've also been in private communication with him as well, and he seems like a very decent chap indeed

Re: [Audyssey] Airik the Cleric a scam?

2011-06-13 Thread Lisa Hayes
PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Airik the Cleric a scam? Ah yes, I remember that. And if I'm not mistaken I was the one who brought that to the list's attention since I found it on Blindcooltech.com. Granted I didn't know right then that it was just an SL mod with different sounds and cutscenes. I

Re: [Audyssey] Airik the Cleric a scam?

2011-06-13 Thread Bryan Peterson
: Monday, June 13, 2011 2:54 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Airik the Cleric a scam? and our community is far two small for a scammer top hide in it and not get discovered. Lisa Hayes www.nutrimetics.com.au/lisahayes - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net

Re: [Audyssey] Airik the Cleric a scam?

2011-06-13 Thread Lisa Hayes
: Monday, June 13, 2011 6:57 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Airik the Cleric a scam? Exactly. Problem is people are already claiming that they've discovered his scam simply because he hasn't delivered exactly when he said. Yes this has happened more than once and that's the basis of people's mistrust

Re: [Audyssey] Airik the Cleric a scam?

2011-06-13 Thread Bryan Peterson
13, 2011 3:28 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Airik the Cleric a scam? Yeah we're all so quick to judge and who apart from those who write games can judge not me that's sure and certain. Lisa Hayes www.nutrimetics.com.au/lisahayes - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2

Re: [Audyssey] Airik the Cleric a scam?

2011-06-13 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Bryan, True, but often times this community jumps to the wrong conclusion when they don't have any evidence to prove their opinions false. Here is a case in point. Back in 2005 when James North had not produced working copies of Montezuma's Revenge and Raceway there was this huge group of

Re: [Audyssey] Airik the Cleric a scam?

2011-06-13 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Dark, Yeah, that scam was a classic. It was also discovered pretty quickly and the problem dealt with. The thing is that a real scam would be a one time affair as this community is of the opinion once bitten twice shy. So whoever actually tries to scam the community better get as much money

Re: [Audyssey] Airik the Cleric a scam?

2011-06-13 Thread Bryan Peterson
way. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 4:05 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Airik the Cleric a scam? Hi Bryan, True, but often times this community

Re: [Audyssey] Airik the Cleric a scam?

2011-06-13 Thread Bryan Peterson
who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 4:21 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Airik the Cleric a scam? Hi Dark, Yeah, that scam was a classic. It was also discovered pretty

Re: [Audyssey] Airik the Cleric a scam?

2011-06-13 Thread Jeremy Kaldobsky
Well I have not pre ordered the game, and I wasn't around for any of the past trouble makers, so I have remained completely quiet on this topic. I don't want to try guessing whether it is, or is not, a scam. I just wanted to comment on the idea that $1000 or $2000 isn't enough of an incentive

Re: [Audyssey] Airik the Cleric a scam?

2011-06-13 Thread dark
: [Audyssey] Airik the Cleric a scam? Well I have not pre ordered the game, and I wasn't around for any of the past trouble makers, so I have remained completely quiet on this topic. I don't want to try guessing whether it is, or is not, a scam. I just wanted to comment on the idea that $1000

Re: [Audyssey] Airik the Cleric a scam?

2011-06-13 Thread Bryan Peterson
- From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 9:43 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Airik the Cleric a scam? Hi Jeremy. Interesting thoughts but I'll just point out one thing. You mention punching out a demo in an afternoon The speed

Re: [Audyssey] Airik the Cleric a scam?

2011-06-13 Thread Jeremy Kaldobsky
simply would not be ready to spend more money on the new game yet. Hmmm, now if I could only find the perfect balance! Haha, just kidding! --- On Mon, 6/13/11, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: From: dark d...@xgam.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Airik the Cleric a scam? To: Gamers Discussion list gamers

Re: [Audyssey] Airik the Cleric a scam?

2011-06-13 Thread dark
Hi Jeremy. that is true reguarding animation and graphics creation, I suppose because the indi graphical games I play tend to be the more successful and well established ones rather than first time efforts, mostly because accessibility in indi games can be hit and miss and often a game

Re: [Audyssey] Airik the Cleric a scam?

2011-06-13 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Jeremy, Well, I must say that does make sense. $1,000 in the hand is better than $0, and if we were talking about an actual scammer its possible the person assumed the community was larger than it really is. That said, all of this does come back to the trust factor. As I myself have pointed

Re: [Audyssey] Airik the Cleric a scam?

2011-06-13 Thread Jeremy Kaldobsky
Thomas, I completely agree. If someone trusts a developer, because of past products, or extended time within the community, there's little harm in pre ordering a game. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org.

Re: [Audyssey] Airik the Cleric a scam?

2011-06-13 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Dark, Well, the time it takes to actually create a game depends on a number of factors. The development tools, programming language, plus the amount of available free time a developer has on hand in the first place. For example, I am currently writing all of my game code in C++. That takes

Re: [Audyssey] Airik the Cleric a scam?

2011-06-13 Thread Kevin Weispfennig
Hi, This is a really, really nice explanation and sum-up of everything. Very well written, I couldn't have done it any better. Sure, to write a basic concept of a game very quickly, BGT would be enough. But then, to compile it, you would have to purchase the lite version ($30) already. Of

Re: [Audyssey] Airik the Cleric a scam?

2011-06-13 Thread Philip Bennefall
regards, Philip Bennefall - Original Message - From: Kevin Weispfennig weis...@googlemail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 10:49 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Airik the Cleric a scam? Hi, This is a really, really nice explanation and sum-up

Re: [Audyssey] Airik the Cleric a scam?

2011-06-13 Thread Hayden Presley
, 2011 4:06 PM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Airik the Cleric a scam? Hi Kevin, I actually tried AutoIt for game development but found that it doesn't work too well. Sure you can make a few simple things with it, but it seriously falls behind if you

Re: [Audyssey] Airik the Cleric a scam?

2011-06-13 Thread Ryan Strunk
And Max Shrapnel? Did he have the best of intentions on that one, too? -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 5:06 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Airik the Cleric

Re: [Audyssey] Airik the Cleric a scam?

2011-06-12 Thread Hayden Presley
-- From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2011 12:22 PM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: [Audyssey] Airik the Cleric a scam? The subject line pretty much says it all. FOr the record I don't personally subscribe to that belief and, for the moment

[Audyssey] Airik the Cleric a scam?

2011-06-11 Thread Bryan Peterson
The subject line pretty much says it all. FOr the record I don't personally subscribe to that belief and, for the moment at least there only appear to be a few people who actually do. But since Airik didn't come out in May like Jacob said it might, those few people have been making their voices