Re: [Audyssey] Games under Vista

2007-09-25 Thread Jim Kitchen
Hi Thomas, Yes, the multiple user does not effect me at this time, but there is also another difference. You are working on beta versions of a game or three, I would have to go back and rewrite that part for 25 games, recompile them, repackage them, up load them to my site, rewrite my web

Re: [Audyssey] Games under Vista

2007-09-25 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Jim, Actually, solving the issue with User Account Control is quite easy, and there are ways of doing it so it is backward compatible with 98, ME, XP, etc. The first way is to simply save data to the Application Data folder rather than your applications local directory. Every Windows

Re: [Audyssey] Games under Vista

2007-09-24 Thread Jim Kitchen
Hi Thomas, Thank you very much for saying that you also appreciate my games. I do listen to suggestions from people, however I found out a long time ago that no matter what you do you can not please everyone. So at some point you have to make a decision and just go for it. And then there is

Re: [Audyssey] Games under Vista

2007-09-24 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Jim, I do understand your point of view, and where you are coming from. /As a developer myself I have learned as you have there is only so much you or I can do to please the end users that playour games. I also understand as game developers we tend to address issues that effects us

Re: [Audyssey] Games under Vista

2007-09-23 Thread Jim Kitchen
Hi Che, Thank you very much for saying that you appreciate all of the work that I have put into all of my games over all of these years. I appreciated hearing it. BFN Jim How many weeks are there in a light year? [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio

Re: [Audyssey] Games under Vista

2007-09-23 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Jim, I appreciate your games as well. NFL and Monopoly are two of my favorite games. Though, I think I am not getting my point across or making myself very clearly understood. All I have ever asked of you was to listen, and be more flexable to end user suggestions,input, and or advice. That

Re: [Audyssey] Games under Vista

2007-09-23 Thread jason
Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 8:44 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Games under Vista Hi all, I am late to this discussion, but as a fellow developer I'd like to throw my two cents into the fray. I completely agree with Jim that the vast majority of blind computer

Re: [Audyssey] Games under Vista

2007-09-23 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Jason, Correction. The games themselves don't go in the application data folder. That area is reserved for personal settings and other saved data. However, you are write if you install to your home directory such as c:\users\Thomas you can have an icon on your desktop or start menu launch the

Re: [Audyssey] Games under Vista

2007-09-21 Thread Jim Kitchen
Hi Raul, I guess that I can not disagree with you since as you said you have set up your computer or computers with multiple user accounts. I do though still contend that if a person chooses to do that then it is up to them to learn or know how to then install programs and games so that they

[Audyssey] Games under Vista

2007-09-21 Thread Raul A. Gallegos
Hello Jim. I disagree with your statement that the vast majority of users will only have one account and don't need to worry about such problems. The reason I disagree with this is because who is to say that the vast majority of blind computer users have a computer which only they use. We have

Re: [Audyssey] Games under Vista

2007-09-21 Thread Che
Hi all, I am late to this discussion, but as a fellow developer I'd like to throw my two cents into the fray. I completely agree with Jim that the vast majority of blind computer users do not use multiple accounts, and I'm sure any reasonable poll on the subject would vet this out. I am

Re: [Audyssey] Games under Vista

2007-09-21 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Raul, Thanks for saying that. Bottom line, Vista is a more secure operating environment. All I am asking game developers to do is look at this and take this a little more seriously. We have two systems here with multiuser environments, and I'm certain if blind users were more aware of the

Re: [Audyssey] Games under Vista

2007-09-21 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Jim, I am not trying to flame here, but it just seams though you don't want to except that standards are changing in the newer Microsoft operating systems. Game developers, not just you, have been saving to the game's root directory for years, and Microsoft states that is bad practice.

Re: [Audyssey] Games under Vista

2007-09-21 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Che, You are right up to a point that allot of this is up to personal preference. However, having multiple user accounts on the system is as much a matter of system security as much as personal preference. I don't care if the statistics show that it is 1000 to 1 blind users only use

Re: [Audyssey] Games under Vista

2007-09-21 Thread Che
Thomas wrote: I am certain allot of blind users feel as you and Jim do. However, most of them never have spent any time doing research on Windows security End quote Thomas, I think you need to re read my message, I never recommended running the system that way and I'm pretty sure Jim

Re: [Audyssey] Games under Vista

2007-09-21 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Che and all, Ok, point well taken. Consider my preaching, advice, education, whatever we want to call it over. I'll simply keep thoughts of that nature to myself. Let's virtually shake hands, and move on now. Thanks. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the

Re: [Audyssey] Games under Vista

2007-09-21 Thread shaun everiss
well I have a laptop with one account. my dad has another system with one account. my brothers system has 2, although he just really wants it for his settings only and his files, the accounts are all admin, it just means he can load his software without effecting the main account although we

Re: [Audyssey] Games under Vista

2007-09-21 Thread shaun everiss
another thing is I don't want to be wayed down with what account I am on. I don't want to have to care what password I need to put in, etc. The only reason the server has 2 accounts on it is because of a user that wants his own. However having more things than need be means more things that one

Re: [Audyssey] Games under Vista

2007-09-21 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi all, I think we've pretty much decided that discussing system security and multiuser setups should go off list. So lets discontinue talking about how many user accounts we have and don't have. If it doesn't deal with a technical problem with a game and multiuser accounts then it is probably

Re: [Audyssey] Games under Vista

2007-09-21 Thread Brandon Armstrong
yeah i like montie and might bye it. Brandon - Original Message - From: Che [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 7:24 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Games under Vista Sounds good man. My apologies if I can off a bit harsh in my

Re: [Audyssey] Games under Vista

2007-09-21 Thread Che
we can all race raceway and forget all this Vista nonsense. I have a steering wheel dying to be used more. Che - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 1:56 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Games

Re: [Audyssey] Games under Vista

2007-06-30 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Jason, Those UAC prompts can be disabled via msconfig. However, I only recommend disabling them for major installs of software, and reenabling them after that. Yes, it is more secure to have the UAC prompts enabled, but it comes at the cost of the same level of ease of access as XP.

Re: [Audyssey] Games under Vista

2007-06-30 Thread Thomas Ward
, Jason - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 10:28 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Games under Vista Hi Shaun, Well, when installing lots of applications or for trouble shooting purposes

Re: [Audyssey] Games under Vista

2007-06-29 Thread jason
Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 10:28 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Games under Vista Hi Shaun, Well, when installing lots of applications or for trouble shooting purposes the UAC prompt is down right annoying. In that case I say turn the Vista UAC confirmation

Re: [Audyssey] Games under Vista

2007-06-29 Thread shaun everiss
Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 10:28 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Games under Vista Hi Shaun, Well, when installing lots of applications or for trouble shooting purposes the UAC prompt is down right annoying. In that case I

Re: [Audyssey] Games under Vista

2007-06-28 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Andy, Smile. Read my previous post on the topic. As for emulation software you won't need it for Vista provided you install the proper compatibility libraries. Cheers. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to

Re: [Audyssey] Games under Vista

2007-06-27 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Charles, (Evil grin.) Yep... Let's just say I've known a few blind gamers, who we will leave nameless, that didn't read their game manuals. Charles Rivard wrote: Oh, rats! Just when it was getting interesting?? People don't actually read manuals? I wonder if it applies to blind gamers??

Re: [Audyssey] Games under Vista

2007-06-27 Thread Christian
Hi, Yes, that's what I get when I try to run the game. Another question, in Shades of Doom i don't get surround sound only stereo. Any ideas why? All the best and thanks, Christian On 2007-06-26 at 15:05 Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Raul, It's my guess he is getting the can not initialise error I got

Re: [Audyssey] Games under Vista

2007-06-27 Thread Gary Whittington
or is that on the Chart too? thanks Crash - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 4:18 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Games under Vista Hi Che, Both Troopenum and Pipe 2 do not require the .Net framework so

Re: [Audyssey] Games under Vista

2007-06-27 Thread Andy Smith
Hey can you send that compatible list 2 me offlist too? And I heard of some compatibility mode that makes some software look, to the software, that you are running xp, so it might be worth a try; I dont have Vista, so IDK how it works but am thinking of gettin a vista so if I can have that game

[Audyssey] Games under Vista

2007-06-26 Thread Christian
Hi all, Is there any way for me to play Pipe2 under Vista? Getting an error message when launching it. Thanks, Christian ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit

Re: [Audyssey] Games under Vista

2007-06-26 Thread Raul a. Gallegos
What error are you getting? -- Raul A. Gallegos .. http://www.asmodean.net Christian said the following on 6/26/2007 2:26 PM: Hi all, Is there any way for me to play Pipe2 under Vista? Getting an error message when launching it. Thanks, Christian

Re: [Audyssey] Games under Vista

2007-06-26 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Christian, A few months back I wrote up a Vista compatibility chart. BSC's Pipe 2 and Troopenum 2 are currently incompatible with Windows Vista. From what I understand the security system Justin uses on those games for securing sound effects has some known issues under Windows Vista.

Re: [Audyssey] Games under Vista

2007-06-26 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Raul, It's my guess he is getting the can not initialise error I got when I tried the games out on Vista for my compatibility chart last March. Raul a. Gallegos wrote: What error are you getting? -- Raul A. Gallegos .. http://www.asmodean.net

Re: [Audyssey] Games under Vista

2007-06-26 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Che, Both Troopenum and Pipe 2 do not require the .Net framework so installing .Net 1.1 wouldn't help in this case. Justin hasn't been forth coming about what security system he uses to pack his sounds for Pipe and Troopenum, but from what I have been given to understand it doesn't work with

Re: [Audyssey] Games under Vista

2007-06-26 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Raul, You know, I think you are on to something. Vista allows an end user to disable the uac confirmation to let stuff through. If someone turned that off via msconfig I wonder if Troopenum and Pipe would then run. Raul a. Gallegos wrote: I wonder if Vista's more secure features have

Re: [Audyssey] Games under Vista

2007-06-26 Thread shaun everiss
well I have a friend that tried vista. He said that he turned off uac as it got really anoying. do you want to runm this program? yes do you really want to run this program? Well what do you think, weird and screwy. Personally I will stay with xp till it dies. At 10:21 a.m. 27/06/2007, you wrote:

Re: [Audyssey] Games under Vista

2007-06-26 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Shaun, Well, when installing lots of applications or for trouble shooting purposes the UAC prompt is down right annoying. In that case I say turn the Vista UAC confirmation off for a while. However, it is rather helpful if viruses and other harmful pieces of software attempt to take control

Re: [Audyssey] Games under Vista

2007-06-26 Thread Charles Rivard
gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 9:28 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Games under Vista Hi Shaun, Well, when installing lots of applications or for trouble shooting purposes the UAC prompt is down right annoying. In that case I say turn the Vista UAC confirmation off for a while