RE: Mail. Mail! Mail?

2005-05-10 Thread Dave Korn
Original Message From: Zack Weinberg Sent: 09 May 2005 19:38 Bernard Leak writes: Can something be done to make the problem less obstructive? It's not obvious that the script should try to be too clever and work out which name to use. Mail looks as useful as any name it can have

RE: Mail. Mail! Mail?

2005-05-10 Thread Daniel Berlin
On Tue, 2005-05-10 at 10:14 +0100, Dave Korn wrote: Original Message From: Zack Weinberg Sent: 09 May 2005 19:38 Bernard Leak writes: Can something be done to make the problem less obstructive? It's not obvious that the script should try to be too clever and work out which

RE: Mail. Mail! Mail?

2005-05-10 Thread Dave Korn
Original Message From: Daniel Berlin Sent: 10 May 2005 14:07 On Tue, 2005-05-10 at 10:14 +0100, Dave Korn wrote: Original Message From: Zack Weinberg Sent: 09 May 2005 19:38 Bernard Leak writes: Can something be done to make the problem less obstructive? It's not

Re: Mail. Mail! Mail?

2005-05-10 Thread Bob Proulx
Bernard Leak wrote: Firstly, thanks to Bob Proulx for the helpful pointer to the Debian search widget. This is a genuinely useful-looking tool. How pleasing! Not wanting to take credit inappropriately, it was Zack who suggested the Debian package search page. I was the mailx history rant!

Re: Mail. Mail! Mail?

2005-05-10 Thread Bernard Leak
Dear List, Jonathan Wakely wants me to send a patch (or more than one). Send a patch. Will do, after some further digging and sanity-testing, along the lines I have already indicated. Did you expect it already? I have to consider that not all builds of GCC are on UN*X-type boxes. The existing

Re: Mail. Mail! Mail?

2005-05-10 Thread Jonathan Wakely
On Tue, May 10, 2005 at 04:58:03PM +0100, Bernard Leak wrote: Dear List, Jonathan Wakely wants me to send a patch (or more than one). :-) Send a patch. Will do, after some further digging and sanity-testing, along the lines I have already indicated. Did you expect it already? I have to

Re: Mail. Mail! Mail?

2005-05-09 Thread Bernard Leak
References: 427E8378.1010309 at brenda-arkle dot demon dot co dot uk873bsxbclc.fsf at codesourcery dot com20050508225133.GA2890 at dementia dot proulx dot com87r7gh9tmq.fsf at codesourcery dot com Apologies if this has lost its References field - it shouldn't have done, but off-hand I can't

Re: Mail. Mail! Mail?

2005-05-09 Thread Georg Bauhaus
Bernard Leak wrote: [in reply to why by default an MTA should be installed in order to be able to send reports in the usual way] Special system restrictions may make it impracticable to install the expected tools, but this is really a red herring. Hmm... Installing an MTA, whatever its size may

Re: Mail. Mail! Mail?

2005-05-09 Thread Zack Weinberg
Georg Bauhaus [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Installing an MTA, whatever its size may be, has the potential of introducing more work, more open ports, more firewall building, more following the associated securitiy advisories absent a firewall or not absent a firewall, more ... Not at all. All

Re: Mail. Mail! Mail?

2005-05-09 Thread Zack Weinberg
Bernard Leak [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My system has developed, for hysterical reasons, as a minimal installation of GNU/Linux on a P4. Minimal really was minimal - no networking, no X... Everything else has been added on demand. I managed to get my networking running with no problems

Re: Mail. Mail! Mail?

2005-05-09 Thread Georg Bauhaus
Zack Weinberg wrote: All modern MTAs can be configured, quite easily, in a 'dumb client' mode where they accept mail only from the local host -- Well, easily is arguable if you aren't a Unix sysadmin, and depending on the MTA... There are even programs, such as sSMTP which, not a month ago had

Re: Mail. Mail! Mail?

2005-05-09 Thread Matthew Woodcraft
Zack Weinberg wrote: The gcc test result script (via Mail) expects the /usr/sbin/sendmail interface, but not Allman's implementation. You can install whatever mail transport agent you prefer. Again, not having an MTA installed indicates a monumental error in the packaging or installation of

Re: Mail. Mail! Mail?

2005-05-09 Thread Zack Weinberg
Matthew Woodcraft [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There is at least one serious distribution which has considered having no /usr/sbin/sendmail (or mailx) in a default installation: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2005-February/004207.html What a horrible idea. It's not just about

Re: Mail. Mail! Mail?

2005-05-09 Thread Andreas Schwab
Georg Bauhaus [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Good Thing, and improving. However, be sure to add a procedure to your network monitoring setup to inform you of risky bugs in network related software. And this is where work starts to be caused by the assumption that e.g. a GCC shell script can send

Mail. Mail! Mail?

2005-05-08 Thread Bernard Leak
Dear List, apologies if this duplicates something, but *you* try searching for Mail in the mail archive... To submit the output of a gcc test run to the relevant mailing list, I'm enjoined to run an obfuscated script and pipe the output to sh. Fine - but then it tells me

Re: Mail. Mail! Mail?

2005-05-08 Thread Zack Weinberg
Bernard Leak [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: To submit the output of a gcc test run to the relevant mailing list, I'm enjoined to run an obfuscated script and pipe the output to sh. Fine - but then it tells me (actually, the docs said this already) that I need the Mail program in my path. Not

Re: Mail. Mail! Mail?

2005-05-08 Thread Bob Proulx
Zack Weinberg wrote: Bernard Leak [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Fine - but then it tells me (actually, the docs said this already) that I need the Mail program in my path. Not wanting to be obstructive or anything, but ... wot? This program should have been included with your operating