Re: gEDA-user: Power (and other non-graphical) pins

2009-01-14 Thread Peter Clifton
On Wed, 2009-01-14 at 10:33 +, Peter Clifton wrote: On Tue, 2009-01-13 at 20:45 -0500, Bob Paddock wrote: On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 7:57 PM, DJ Delorie [1...@delorie.com wrote: It only has to live a couple of hours I've made circuits like that. Not always intentionally,

Re: gEDA-user: Power (and other non-graphical) pins

2009-01-14 Thread Peter Clifton
On Tue, 2009-01-13 at 20:45 -0500, Bob Paddock wrote: On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 7:57 PM, DJ Delorie [1...@delorie.com wrote: It only has to live a couple of hours I've made circuits like that. Not always intentionally, though. You can buy parts from Vishay that do rapid

gEDA-user: compiling gaf from git repos

2009-01-14 Thread John Griessen
I compile OK from pcjc2's cairo_place_lines branch, but when I cloned http://git.gpleda.org/, made a new branch from master It stops at libgeda with errors. Is master the right branch to use? John -- Ecosensory Austin TX ___ geda-user mailing

Re: gEDA-user: compiling gaf from git repos

2009-01-14 Thread Peter TB Brett
On Wednesday 14 January 2009 15:29:40 John Griessen wrote: I compile OK from pcjc2's cairo_place_lines branch, but when I cloned http://git.gpleda.org/, made a new branch from master It stops at libgeda with errors. What sort of errors? Is master the right branch to use? Yes, it is.

Re: gEDA-user: compiling gaf from git repos

2009-01-14 Thread Peter Clifton
On Wed, 2009-01-14 at 09:29 -0600, John Griessen wrote: I compile OK from pcjc2's cairo_place_lines branch, but when I cloned http://git.gpleda.org/, made a new branch from master It stops at libgeda with errors. Is master the right branch to use? master is good. It now has far more

Re: gEDA-user: compiling gaf from git repos

2009-01-14 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
On Wed, 14 Jan 2009 15:58:40 +, Peter Clifton wrote: Just tried this route to get a fresh geda from git: $ git clone git://git.gpleda.org/gaf $ cd gaf $ gedit Makefile# change destination dir $ make reconfig $ make install However, make install produced a syntax error during config: $

Re: gEDA-user: Power (and other non-graphical) pins

2009-01-14 Thread John Doty
On Jan 13, 2009, at 1:47 PM, Joerg wrote: John Doty wrote: Then we are working in different worlds. And that is my point. gEDA has to be flexible to accommodate the needs of different worlds, rather than some specific narrow channel. But at least we both worked with CCD imagers :-)

Re: gEDA-user: Power (and other non-graphical) pins

2009-01-14 Thread John Doty
On Jan 13, 2009, at 5:12 PM, r wrote: BTW, analog IC guys long since have given up using implicit power connections Another sweeping statement from a narrow point of view, I think. A counter-example is in order: http://research.kek.jp/people/ikeda/openIP/ If you can't read Japanese, just

Re: gEDA-user: Power (and other non-graphical) pins

2009-01-14 Thread Joerg
John Doty wrote: On Jan 13, 2009, at 5:12 PM, r wrote: BTW, analog IC guys long since have given up using implicit power connections Another sweeping statement from a narrow point of view, I think. A counter-example is in order: http://research.kek.jp/people/ikeda/openIP/ If you

Re: gEDA-user: pcb: Tracking the Latest with CVS

2009-01-14 Thread DJ Delorie
Fixed, please cvs update and build again. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user

Re: gEDA-user: Power (and other non-graphical) pins

2009-01-14 Thread John Doty
On Jan 13, 2009, at 5:12 PM, r wrote: Believe it or not, gEDA actually strongly focuses on the PCB flow. It supports PCB flow, but it's not intended to be focused on any specific application. That is part of its strength. I've designed ASICs with it, so it's hardly restricted to PCB.

Re: gEDA-user: pcb: Tracking the Latest with CVS

2009-01-14 Thread Stefan Salewski
Am Mittwoch, den 14.01.2009, 19:45 + schrieb Kai-Martin Knaak: The photo realistic png pictures posted on the list lately, made me want to try the current head in CVS. Latest pcb snapshot 20081128 supports photo realistic output. ___

Re: gEDA-user: Power (and other non-graphical) pins

2009-01-14 Thread John Doty
On Jan 14, 2009, at 12:44 PM, Joerg wrote: John Doty wrote: On Jan 13, 2009, at 5:12 PM, r wrote: BTW, analog IC guys long since have given up using implicit power connections Another sweeping statement from a narrow point of view, I think. A counter-example is in order:

Re: gEDA-user: pcb: Tracking the Latest with CVS

2009-01-14 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
On Wed, 14 Jan 2009 14:57:07 -0500, DJ Delorie wrote: Fixed, please cvs update and build again. Works :-) This was fast! Do you know the source by heart? ---(kaimartin)--- ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org

Re: gEDA-user: pcb: Tracking the Latest with CVS

2009-01-14 Thread DJ Delorie
Do you know the source by heart? Some of it. In this case, I knew right away what the *bug* was, so finding the right spot in the source was easy. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org

Re: gEDA-user: compiling gaf from git repos

2009-01-14 Thread Peter Clifton
On Wed, 2009-01-14 at 19:06 +, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: On Wed, 14 Jan 2009 15:58:40 +, Peter Clifton wrote: Just tried this route to get a fresh geda from git: $ git clone git://git.gpleda.org/gaf $ cd gaf $ gedit Makefile# change destination dir $ make reconfig $ make

Re: gEDA-user: Power (and other non-graphical) pins

2009-01-14 Thread Joerg
John Doty wrote: On Jan 14, 2009, at 12:44 PM, Joerg wrote: John Doty wrote: On Jan 13, 2009, at 5:12 PM, r wrote: BTW, analog IC guys long since have given up using implicit power connections Another sweeping statement from a narrow point of view, I think. A counter-example is in order:

gEDA-user: Unconnected pins and missing sub-parts

2009-01-14 Thread Stefan Salewski
Related to recent discussion: Maybe it would be nice if we can define pins in gschem symbols which can not be left floating, i.e. power pins and input of 74HCxx. (I forgot to place all slots of an 74HC04 some time ago, resulting in open input pins.) Related to multiple subpart devices like FPGA

gEDA-user: Slot naming improvement methods.

2009-01-14 Thread Steven Michalske
Hey gang, This is a proposal that seems to have gotten lost in a debate if gEDA is the right toolkit for someone. So here is a technical discussion on how we could IMPROVE gEDA. The proposal, please comment on lapses of functionality, and one sidedness as I use gEDA in PCB and spice 'n

Re: gEDA-user: Unconnected pins and missing sub-parts

2009-01-14 Thread John Doty
On Jan 14, 2009, at 2:02 PM, Stefan Salewski wrote: Related to multiple subpart devices like FPGA or OpAmp with separate power pins a SubParts attribute may be useful, like SubParts=Bank0, Bank1, Power indicating that a part consists of multiple sub-symbols, so that gschem/gnetlist can

Re: gEDA-user: compiling gaf from git repos

2009-01-14 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
On Wed, 14 Jan 2009 20:30:59 +, Peter Clifton wrote: Try installing newer libtool. Hmm. The libtool version I have installed is identical to the one in debian/sid (v1.5.26) There is v2.26 in debian/experimental. However, apt- get wants to remove guile-1.8 -- not good. If that fails,

Re: gEDA-user: Power (and other non-graphical) pins

2009-01-14 Thread John Doty
On Jan 14, 2009, at 1:49 PM, Joerg wrote: John Doty wrote: On Jan 14, 2009, at 12:44 PM, Joerg wrote: John Doty wrote: On Jan 13, 2009, at 5:12 PM, r wrote: BTW, analog IC guys long since have given up using implicit power connections Another sweeping statement from a narrow point of

Re: gEDA-user: OT: Recommendations for laptop?

2009-01-14 Thread Eric Brombaugh
Larry Doolittle wrote: On Fri, Jan 02, 2009 at 09:40:08PM -0700, Eric Brombaugh wrote: I've been glancing over some of the inexpensive Linux-based netbooks lately - a tad underpowered, but potentially useful and cheap enough to take a flyer on. I'm curious how useful a 1024x800 screen

Re: gEDA-user: Slot naming improvement methods.

2009-01-14 Thread Joerg
Steven Michalske wrote: Hey gang, This is a proposal that seems to have gotten lost in a debate if gEDA is the right toolkit for someone. So here is a technical discussion on how we could IMPROVE gEDA. The proposal, please comment on lapses of functionality, and one sidedness as I

Re: gEDA-user: Slot naming improvement methods.

2009-01-14 Thread Steven Michalske
On Jan 14, 2009, at 2:06 PM, Joerg wrote: Steven Michalske wrote: Hey gang, This is a proposal that seems to have gotten lost in a debate if gEDA is the right toolkit for someone. So here is a technical discussion on how we could IMPROVE gEDA. The proposal, please comment on lapses of

Re: gEDA-user: Slot naming improvement methods.

2009-01-14 Thread John Doty
On Jan 14, 2009, at 2:08 PM, Steven Michalske wrote: Hey gang, This is a proposal that seems to have gotten lost in a debate if gEDA is the right toolkit for someone. So here is a technical discussion on how we could IMPROVE gEDA. The proposal, please comment on lapses of functionality,

gEDA-user: temperature sensor

2009-01-14 Thread Levente Kovacs
Hi, My temperature sensor/logger finaly works! http://logonex.eu/tc/ Red: The temperature of the air coming out of my server. Green: The temperature of my shirts hanging in the wardrobe. :-) Blue: The temperature of the air in my flat. The original plan was to place a sensor outside, but I was

Re: gEDA-user: Power (and other non-graphical) pins

2009-01-14 Thread Joerg
John Doty wrote: On Jan 14, 2009, at 1:49 PM, Joerg wrote: John Doty wrote: On Jan 14, 2009, at 12:44 PM, Joerg wrote: John Doty wrote: On Jan 13, 2009, at 5:12 PM, r wrote: BTW, analog IC guys long since have given up using implicit power connections Another sweeping statement from a

Re: gEDA-user: Slot naming improvement methods.

2009-01-14 Thread Steven Michalske
On Jan 14, 2009, at 2:52 PM, John Doty wrote: When adding a slotted or multi part component it should have an attribute of an unique instantiation ID (UIID) that gets matched With the other symbols of that device instance. The way gnetlist works, the refdes is the identifier. Changing this

Re: gEDA-user: Power (and other non-graphical) pins

2009-01-14 Thread Joerg
Stefan Salewski wrote: Am Dienstag, den 13.01.2009, 13:11 -0800 schrieb Joerg: I started out with Futurenet Dash-2 in 1986, then Dash-4, then self-employed with Orcad as my tool, later through several versions of that and a few years ago switched to Eagle. That's what I am using right now

Re: gEDA-user: compiling gaf from git repos

2009-01-14 Thread Peter Clifton
On Wed, 2009-01-14 at 21:22 +, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: On Wed, 14 Jan 2009 20:30:59 +, Peter Clifton wrote: Try installing newer libtool. Hmm. The libtool version I have installed is identical to the one in debian/sid (v1.5.26) There is v2.26 in debian/experimental. However, apt-

Re: gEDA-user: Power (and other non-graphical) pins

2009-01-14 Thread Stefan Salewski
Am Mittwoch, den 14.01.2009, 16:40 -0800 schrieb Joerg: Eagle is IMHO pretty good but it does have one major disadvantage: No hierarchy support. That pretty much restricts it to smaller projects. To my surprise Cadsoft has never picked up on suggestions to fix that, version 5 doesn't have

Re: gEDA-user: Power (and other non-graphical) pins

2009-01-14 Thread Joerg
Stefan Salewski wrote: Am Mittwoch, den 14.01.2009, 16:40 -0800 schrieb Joerg: Eagle is IMHO pretty good but it does have one major disadvantage: No hierarchy support. That pretty much restricts it to smaller projects. To my surprise Cadsoft has never picked up on suggestions to fix that,

Re: gEDA-user: compiling gaf from git repos

2009-01-14 Thread Ales Hvezda
[snip] AC_LIBTOOL_WIN32_DLL AM_PROG_LIBTOOL I didn't try the AC_LIBTOOL_WIN32_DLL line, but I did revert back to the original AM_PROG_LIBTOOL only line. -Ales ___ geda-user mailing

Re: gEDA-user: temperature sensor

2009-01-14 Thread Joerg
Levente Kovacs wrote: Hi, My temperature sensor/logger finaly works! http://logonex.eu/tc/ Red: The temperature of the air coming out of my server. Green: The temperature of my shirts hanging in the wardrobe. :-) Blue: The temperature of the air in my flat. You are heating your flat

Re: gEDA-user: Slot naming improvement methods.

2009-01-14 Thread John Griessen
Steven Michalske wrote: i did not say remove refdes. each part has an additional identifier for its brethren slotted parts, it UIID so if one gets renamed, they all have to be renamed. - if you edit the refdes attribute on a part with an UIID, gschem would want to rename all

Re: gEDA-user: compiling gaf from git repos

2009-01-14 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
On Thu, 15 Jan 2009 00:51:17 +, Peter Clifton wrote: libgeda/configure.ac.in Try just LT_INIT([win32_dll]) LT_INIT([shared]) Configure complains if any of these lines is present. LT_INIT() This got me beyond the configure step. But make install gets stuck further down the

Re: gEDA-user: Power (and other non-graphical) pins

2009-01-14 Thread John Doty
On Jan 14, 2009, at 6:43 PM, Joerg wrote: But I can only say it from the position of a user, not as a programmer because that's the domain of the experts here. Back in 1969, I was taught that the purpose of Fortran was to erase this distinction, putting the power of the computer into the

Re: gEDA-user: Power (and other non-graphical) pins

2009-01-14 Thread Steve Meier
John, That was eloquently said. I would suggest that geda/gaf users at a minimum should attempt to understand the scripting language scheme and its interface to gaf. Steve Meier On Wed, 2009-01-14 at 20:30 -0700, John Doty wrote: On Jan 14, 2009, at 6:43 PM, Joerg wrote: But I can only

gEDA-user: Renumbering Reference Designators

2009-01-14 Thread Kipton Moravec
I am working on a schematic and cut and pasted different pieces from different schematics. The numbering is a mess. But neither grenum or renum_refdes will renumber it. Is there a way to make it renumber like with --pageskip if the reference designators already have a number? (ie C1 as opposed

Re: gEDA-user: compiling gaf from git repos

2009-01-14 Thread Dan McMahill
Peter Clifton wrote: On Wed, 2009-01-14 at 21:22 +, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: On Wed, 14 Jan 2009 20:30:59 +, Peter Clifton wrote: Try installing newer libtool. Hmm. The libtool version I have installed is identical to the one in debian/sid (v1.5.26) There is v2.26 in

Re: gEDA-user: Renumbering Reference Designators

2009-01-14 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
On Wed, 14 Jan 2009 23:32:50 -0600, Kipton Moravec wrote: It looks like if the part already has a number, neither renumber program touches it. That is good in most cases, but not in my case. Is there a secret way to force a renumber no matter whether the part has a reference designator number

Re: gEDA-user: Renumbering Reference Designators

2009-01-14 Thread Duncan Drennan
Is there a way to make it renumber like with --pageskip if the reference designators already have a number? (ie C1 as opposed to just C?) refdes_renum should do this. The --gentle flag is enabled by default (i.e. only renumbers C? style refdes's). Use the --force flag to force it to renumber