Re: gEDA-user: Gschem and footprints

2011-08-16 Thread Larry Doolittle
Friends - On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 12:43:50AM +0200, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: Colin D Bennett wrote: For instance, here are some footprint file names from my library: Abracon_ABM8G.fp ADAM_TECH_2PH_2.00_mm_pin_header_SMT_2_pin.fp ADAM_TECH_2PH_2.00_mm_pin_header_SMT_3_pin.fp

Re: gEDA-user: Linux Desktop für gEDA

2011-08-04 Thread Larry Doolittle
On Thu, Aug 04, 2011 at 02:25:05PM -0400, DJ Delorie wrote: What desktop are you using for gEDA? I'm using fvwm2 but my setup is far from normal in many ways ;-) evilwm FTW! Unless someone out there is using ratpoison. :-p Ditto about my setup. ;-) - Larry

Re: gEDA-user: possible collaborators on PCB, gschem [Kicad (or another FOSS tool)]

2011-07-26 Thread Larry Doolittle
John - On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 01:07:51PM -0500, John Griessen wrote: Larry Doolittle is going to be there in person. What can we tell them to get them interested in gEDA more than KiCAD? Not push and shove, unless someone (not me) goes wild programming between now and October. I have

Re: gEDA-user: Task list for: Solving the light/heavy symbol problem

2011-05-26 Thread Larry Doolittle
Friends - On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 01:41:08PM -0700, Jared Casper wrote: On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 11:52 AM, Andrew Poelstra as...@sfu.ca wrote: On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 10:56:40AM -0400, DJ Delorie wrote: I'm a Perl fan myself. I think Python would be a better choice. Scala anyone? It's

Re: gEDA-user: Solving the light/heavy symbol problem

2011-05-21 Thread Larry Doolittle
On Sat, May 21, 2011 at 09:19:21AM -0400, Bob Paddock wrote: On Sat, May 21, 2011 at 9:09 AM, Kai-Martin Knaak k...@lilalaser.de wrote: My proposal to tackle many of the library related issues is the notion of packages. These would be data structures that can contain all information

Re: gEDA-user: zview/ngscope

2011-04-20 Thread Larry Doolittle
Peter - On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 12:55:31PM +0100, Peter Clifton wrote: On Tue, 2011-04-19 at 21:34 -0700, Larry Doolittle wrote: My RF gear makes a plausible vector oscilloscope Sounds awesome, can you post some pictures - screen-shots and HW? I've plugged the HW here before: http

Re: gEDA-user: zview/ngscope

2011-04-19 Thread Larry Doolittle
Rick - On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 10:27:54PM -0400, rickman wrote: ... Providing a real time display with a high update rate would be a challenge for me. If that part is done, then the first major hurtle is done. Some part of the hardware design depends on what the software requires to

Re: gEDA-user: RFC using SVG with semantic markup as an EDA format

2011-04-11 Thread Larry Doolittle
On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 08:55:12PM +0200, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: Peter Clifton wrote: TBH, I've not seen SVG anywhere on the main-stream internet. Wikipedia prefers SVG for anything that is not a photograph. The servers render SVG graphics to PNG as needed before handing it out to the

Re: gEDA-user: RFC using SVG with semantic markup as an EDA format

2011-04-11 Thread Larry Doolittle
On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 10:43:08PM +0100, Peter Clifton wrote: On Mon, 2011-04-11 at 12:37 -0700, Larry Doolittle wrote: Surely you can convert SVG to EPS, which TeX/LaTeX happily embed. http://sk1project.org/modules.php?name=Productsproduct=uniconvertor I use pdfLaTeX with LyX almost

Re: gEDA-user: Footprint/symbol generating scripts + question

2011-04-07 Thread Larry Doolittle
Friends - On Thu, Apr 07, 2011 at 01:52:10PM +0200, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: DJ Delorie wrote: python. It only does SMD dual column footprints with an outline - and at the moment only takes mm. Seems to be a popular thing to do. I did one a while ago, and mine wasnt the first either...

gEDA-user: Toporouter site non-responsive

2011-03-30 Thread Larry Doolittle
Hi - The nice pages that Anthony Blake had up describing his toporouter efforts are currently unavailable. Anthony, can you kick your server? If anyone has an out-of-band method of reaching Anthony, can you point this out? And if someone has a mirror up somewhere, can you post a link?

Re: gEDA-user: US Distributor for Balloon Board

2011-03-26 Thread Larry Doolittle
On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 08:50:36PM -0400, Patrick Doyle wrote: I'm looking for a US distributor for a Balloon Board Kind of orthogonal question, how about the MilkyMist One? http://www.milkymist.org/mmone.html It doesn't have a separate processor chip, they implement their own processor in the

gEDA-user: nice C++ (was Re: pcb plugin smartdisperse fails on load)

2011-02-25 Thread Larry Doolittle
On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 12:32:13PM -0500, DJ Delorie wrote: So, could you, pretty please, point me to some nice C++ code. Sorry, the work I did back then was not OSS. I'll have to write some more nice C++ for you :-) Tastes may vary, but some years ago when I went looking for a clean C++

Re: gEDA-user: pcb plugin smartdisperse fails on load

2011-02-24 Thread Larry Doolittle
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 09:23:44AM -0700, Russell Dill wrote: On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 8:50 AM, Peter Clifton pc...@cam.ac.uk wrote: On Thu, 2011-02-24 at 08:38 -0700, John Doty wrote: On Feb 24, 2011, at 8:22 AM, Peter Clifton wrote: Means C didn't find the function, and it assumes it

Re: gEDA-user: pcb plugin smartdisperse fails on load

2011-02-24 Thread Larry Doolittle
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 01:29:08PM -0800, Colin D Bennett wrote: On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 20:48:39 + Peter Clifton pc...@cam.ac.uk wrote: You could add it to PCB I guess - we could even teach PCB how to invoke the compiler and build plugins if we were feeling over-keen! (But perhaps that is

Re: gEDA-user: new vhd2vl on its way

2010-11-20 Thread Larry Doolittle
Friends - On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 11:12:46PM -0800, Larry Doolittle wrote: I have a new release of vhd2vl pretty much ready to post. Version 2.4 is now posted at the usual place: http://doolittle.icarus.com/~larry/vhd2vl/ Enjoy! - Larry

Re: gEDA-user: icarus, fork, and recursive tasks

2010-11-08 Thread Larry Doolittle
DJ - On Mon, Nov 08, 2010 at 04:46:35PM -0500, DJ Delorie wrote: That's unfortunate. I've been getting some good mileage out of the XC3S200A-VQ100 parts. Too bad Xilinx hasn't made that size available in the 3AN family. I suppose that you chose the AN variant because you wanted to

gEDA-user: FPGA, uC, and JTAG (was Re: icarus, fork, and recursive tasks)

2010-11-08 Thread Larry Doolittle
On Mon, Nov 08, 2010 at 05:09:30PM -0500, DJ Delorie wrote: Just boot the FPGA from the processor. That's what I always do. When I have a processor, that is. The only overhead is the four GPIO pins attached to the FPGA JTAG, and those can be put to good use after booting as well. I

Re: gEDA-user: FPGA, uC, and JTAG

2010-11-08 Thread Larry Doolittle
On Mon, Nov 08, 2010 at 05:24:21PM -0500, DJ Delorie wrote: True, but the xsvf file is much bigger than a simple serial bitstream, and the xsvf player is bigger than a raw spi dump... A JTAG bit-banger is not hard to write (I've written at least two of them), and a lot smaller than an xsvf file

Re: gEDA-user: FPGA, uC, and JTAG

2010-11-08 Thread Larry Doolittle
DJ - On Mon, Nov 08, 2010 at 05:55:04PM -0500, DJ Delorie wrote: A JTAG bit-banger is not hard to write (I've written at least two of them), and a lot smaller than an xsvf file player. Can you bit-bang a spartan 3 that way? Yes. Shameless plug (and almost back OT, since the board was laid

Re: gEDA-user: PCB format wishlist

2010-09-06 Thread Larry Doolittle
Rick - On Mon, Sep 06, 2010 at 10:31:15PM -0400, Rick Collins wrote: Several times now in this thread I keep thinking that the language Forth is being described. 'Words' built up on previously defined 'words'... I have often thought that I would prefer to write an HDL that works like Forth.

Re: gEDA-user: Subnets

2010-08-16 Thread Larry Doolittle
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 07:32:23PM +0200, Stephan Boettcher wrote: I usually have hierarchical schematics with multiple instances of the same subcircuits referenced from the main page. The deepest until now were three layers of hierarchy. I make do with two, but that's how I work also. All

Re: gEDA-user: Yet another Icarus question

2010-08-04 Thread Larry Doolittle
On Wed, Aug 04, 2010 at 10:58:51AM -0400, Patrick Doyle wrote: Can anybody tell me if the following is an Icarus feature or a Verilog feature. Verilog. Probably. reg [5:0] offset; reg [9:0] enablemask; initial begin enablemask = 10'b0_00110; offset = 0;

Re: gEDA-user: OT Verilog syntax question

2010-08-03 Thread Larry Doolittle
On Tue, Aug 03, 2010 at 09:12:00AM -0400, Patrick Doyle wrote: I have some verilog test code in which I would like to display an integer value, which is known to be between 0 and 15, as a binary vector, i.e. integer result; $display(%4b, result); of course I get a 64 bit vector

Re: gEDA-user: analog/digital partitioning

2010-07-22 Thread Larry Doolittle
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 09:57:11AM -0700, Steven Michalske wrote: On Jul 22, 2010, at 9:50 AM, Eric Brombaugh ebrombau...@cox.net wrote: On 07/22/2010 09:37 AM, DJ Delorie wrote: One idea to consider is to start with a solid plane, and cut slots around the sensitive analog parts, like

Re: gEDA-user: spice libs ( a little puzzled)

2010-05-03 Thread Larry Doolittle
On Mon, May 03, 2010 at 03:14:22PM +, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: You don't need a data base for this kind of indirection. Any download script would do. However, it makes the process depend on stability of external sources --sources that can change, or go away without any day. Experience

Re: gEDA-user: PCB configuration skin

2010-04-23 Thread Larry Doolittle
Dave - On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 12:15:36PM -0400, Dave McGuire wrote: Lots of people speak Esperanto. It's all relative. Compared to, say, Spanish? I'm one of them. Multaj homoj parolas Esperanton. Mi estas unu el ili. Very cool. Translation? Come on, Dave. Pattern match. Multaj -

Re: gEDA-user: Patch to PCB build system needs testing/feedback

2010-04-18 Thread Larry Doolittle
Jared - Sent privately, maybe you can summarize responses (or if I'm the only one, tell me, and I'll post to the list). On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 04:05:16PM -0700, Jared Casper wrote: I think it makes the build much cleaner and readable overall and, more importantly, makes the errors and

Re: gEDA-user: Patch to PCB build system needs testing/feedback

2010-04-18 Thread Larry Doolittle
On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 08:38:28PM -0700, Larry Doolittle wrote: Sent privately, maybe you can summarize responses Yeah, well, I got distracted at exactly the wrong moment. So kick me. - Larry ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org

Re: gEDA-user: Magnetic bike operation

2010-03-29 Thread Larry Doolittle
Rob - On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 11:14:51AM -0400, Rob Butts wrote: I've read about the eddy current breaks but it's still not clear to me how to construct one. The wikipedia talks about a rotor connected to a spinnning coil. I would think the rotor would spin inside a coil. Any time

Re: gEDA-user: TO-92 Best Practices

2010-03-03 Thread Larry Doolittle
Al - On Wed, Mar 03, 2010 at 10:18:59AM -0500, al davis wrote: Along that line ... You could get what they call reading glasses from a supermarket. Get the strongest ones they have. They make great magnifying glasses. I didn't need them in college, but I sure need them now! You really

Re: gEDA-user: I am such a troll for posting to slashdot

2010-02-27 Thread Larry Doolittle
On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 09:03:41AM -0500, Bob Paddock wrote: The other thing that is holding back gEDA Schematics is the lack of available publication quality symbols. If I'm doing a PCB I use gEDA. If I'm after a nice looking schematic I use XCircuit. I'd like to be able to have it both

Re: gEDA-user: any last minute advice prior to sending out for PCB fab

2010-02-24 Thread Larry Doolittle
Hi - On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 02:40:50PM -0500, Bob Paddock wrote: I'm making the assumption you will have a contractor build quantities someday, in automated equipment. These will (at least should) lower production costs: Although OT, I appreciate and try to learn from discussions like this.

Re: gEDA-user: OT: Latex

2010-02-06 Thread Larry Doolittle
Like others in this group, I'm a TeX partisan, and yes that includes pdftex most of the time. I converted to TeX from VAX runoff in 1987. On Sat, Feb 06, 2010 at 12:10:04PM +, Peter Clifton wrote: pdflatex also supports .png and .jpg files natively - which is (probably) better than .eps

Re: gEDA-user: Pick-And-Place Extract

2010-01-25 Thread Larry Doolittle
Tony - On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 10:18:07AM -0500, Tony Radice wrote: I have written a Perl script to extract pick and place data from a pcb file - is anyone else interested in looking at it, using it or critiquing it? You know pcb already has a pick and place data extractor? This is the

Re: gEDA-user: powermeter results!

2009-11-15 Thread Larry Doolittle
On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 01:19:44PM +0900, Torsten Wagner wrote: a) just buy a bigger machine and use virtualisation technologies [chop] b) get some of this little ARM based boards or Atom based boards [chop] c) Computers which does not need to run 24/7 but always on because [chop] d) Replace

Re: gEDA-user: Eliminate separate Vcc planes?

2009-10-19 Thread Larry Doolittle
Neil - On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 01:20:23PM -0700, Neil Hendin wrote: If you look at the RF S-Parameters of the capacitor at frequencies above the self resonance, they look inductive, not capacitive. I'm not sure what the precise definition is for the S-Parameters of a two-terminal device, but

Re: gEDA-user: Blind and buried vias?

2009-09-25 Thread Larry Doolittle
John - On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 10:27:02AM -0600, John Doty wrote: Remember, pcb is a separate tool, not part of gEDA. But it does fall under the gaf umbrella, and this is the proper mailing lists for things pcb-related. Probably very few pcb users capture schematics with anything but

Re: gEDA-user: pcb option --fab-author not working

2009-09-20 Thread Larry Doolittle
On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 06:00:11PM +, Michael Sokolov wrote: In my code of honor a PCB designer who lays out an Open Source Hardware board deserves to have his/her name on the silk screen, at least on the bottom side if there is no room on the top component side. I personally think author

Re: gEDA-user: logic analyzers, verilog, and gtkwave...

2009-08-09 Thread Larry Doolittle
DJ - On Sun, Aug 09, 2009 at 05:51:40AM -0400, DJ Delorie wrote: The LA module I wrote is a DDR dual-bank capture, [chop] A perl script turns them into a VCD file that gtkwave can read :-) Awesome. I hope you'll write this up more, and publish code. Question: Can gtkwave be told to break

Re: gEDA-user: logic analyzers, verilog, and gtkwave...

2009-08-09 Thread Larry Doolittle
DJ - On Sun, Aug 09, 2009 at 01:22:20PM -0400, DJ Delorie wrote: It's in the Edit menu, called Expand (F3). Sweet. Hmmm... Expand again on one of those individual lines should re-combine them. No, you have to select a bunch of individual signals (they need not be the full set of the

Re: gEDA-user: RFC: Towards a better symbol/package pin-mapping strategy (was: Re: slotting and power pins)

2009-06-28 Thread Larry Doolittle
Bill - On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 12:26:10PM -0500, Bill Gatliff wrote: [greatly trimmed] It would be nice if there was an additional layer of abstraction somewhere between the symbol and footprint, such that actual pin assignments weren't made until the footprint (and slot, if necessary) were

Re: gEDA-user: Looking for PCB fab recommendations

2009-06-19 Thread Larry Doolittle
Michael - On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 06:52:14AM +, Michael Sokolov wrote: Ineiev ine...@gmail.com wrote: BTW why unplated holes may be preferable for this case? [pcbfabexpress.com] charge $50 extra for unplated drill and I'm OK with that. (That's for the whole order, not per board.)

Re: gEDA-user: Looking for PCB fab recommendations

2009-06-18 Thread Larry Doolittle
Michael - On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 02:52:10AM +, Michael Sokolov wrote: * Both plated and unplated drill. Some parts have plastic mounting elements and I want unplated holes for those. Get all your holes plated and drill out your mounting holes by hand. Otherwise you will end up with a

Re: gEDA-user: PCB layout design patterns

2009-05-20 Thread Larry Doolittle
Saritha - On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 01:47:03PM -0700, Saritha Kalyanam wrote: 3) escape routing for BGA? Here's a start: http://recycle.lbl.gov/~ldoolitt/ft256/ (or finish, for that particular device) Generalized, it represents normal industry practice. - Larry

Re: gEDA-user: Looking for tips to debug Icarus Verilog

2009-04-09 Thread Larry Doolittle
Patrick- On Thu, Apr 09, 2009 at 08:23:55AM -0400, Patrick Doyle wrote: I tried firing up gdb on iverilog, but that doesn't do much good, as iverilog is simply the driver program.  Is there a howto one can point me at for debugging iverilog? see email from Steve Tue, 05 Jun 2007 12:33:19

Re: gEDA-user: Looking for tips to debug Icarus Verilog

2009-04-09 Thread Larry Doolittle
Patrick - On Thu, Apr 09, 2009 at 10:01:06AM -0400, Patrick Doyle wrote: For those of you who might be interested... I found the bug in my verilog code that was triggering the crash. I had a spelling mistake in one of my nets that resulted in a net being implicitly declared. Personally, I

Re: gEDA-user: chipscope vs. rerouting signals to test pads/pins

2009-04-06 Thread Larry Doolittle
On Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 09:42:30AM -0700, Eric Brombaugh wrote: I've had no trouble installing the full ISE on Fedora and I've been using it since 2005 or so. Webpack's installer is limited to 32-bit systems though, so if you're on a 64-bit system that might be getting in your way. It's

Re: gEDA-user: PALs GALs and SPLDs going the way of the Dodo?

2009-03-27 Thread Larry Doolittle
DJ - On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 04:29:12PM -0400, DJ Delorie wrote: [the XC9536XL is] huge compared to a 16v8, though, but once you have the bitstream files (xilinx runs with Makefiles on Linux) you can program them with open source or home-brew toools. Funny, I was just trying to hack my

Re: gEDA-user: How to fit REFDES on PCB with Hierarchy

2009-03-09 Thread Larry Doolittle
On Mon, Mar 09, 2009 at 12:40:47PM -0500, John Griessen wrote: Its hard to pick a set of single letter names to use as instance names to use with a separator, since so many are used up by first letters of component names: Cap Diode Fuse J(connector) L(inductor) Q(transistor) Resistor

Re: gEDA-user: What is the current procedure and location to submit patches for PCB?

2009-03-08 Thread Larry Doolittle
On Sun, Mar 08, 2009 at 06:41:31PM -0400, DJ Delorie wrote: is there any type of regression test suite for PCB? Nope. That, itself, sounds like a bug. - Larry ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org

Re: gEDA-user: Icarus Verilog: How to exit simulator with non-zero status?

2009-03-03 Thread Larry Doolittle
Patrick - On Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 11:39:28AM -0500, Patrick Doyle wrote: I have an Icarus Verilog question (which may, perhaps be a more general Verilog question). I would like to write a test bench that exits with a non-zero status when it detects an error. That way I can

Re: gEDA-user: Icarus Verilog: How to exit simulator with non-zero status?

2009-03-03 Thread Larry Doolittle
Patrick - On Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 12:37:17PM -0500, Patrick Doyle wrote: developers eventually added their own Verilog extension, the VPI function $finish_and_return(exit_status). Oh... I like that! That's just what I was hoping my buddy Google would have found for me.

Re: gEDA-user: Another gEDA-based project working

2009-02-27 Thread Larry Doolittle
Eric - On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 11:32:40AM -0700, Eric Brombaugh wrote: As far as kits go, sorry. I'm not set up to sell parts (there are probably about $70 worth on this board if bought in small qty). If you'd like to take the gerbers to your own fab though feel free to do so. It cost me

gEDA-user: more board fab discussion (was Re: Interesting board defect)

2009-02-17 Thread Larry Doolittle
Gabriel - On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 03:47:10PM +0100, Gabriel Paubert wrote: Did not nee for this, and my RF designs use Rogers' substrates which are much more reproducible than FR4 at frequencies above 2GHz. I'm currently searching for a U.S. fab for prototype quantity of Rogers' boards that

Re: gEDA-user: Google SoC : Potential Candidate seeking Info

2009-02-17 Thread Larry Doolittle
Dan - On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 10:01:57PM -0500, Dan McMahill wrote: The tool worked and really my primary complaint was that you quickly ended up with an expression that a) was not at all a low entropy expression (see various papers by Middlebrook or the textbook by Vorperian) Hey! I

Re: gEDA-user: PCB + GL latest (patch for indirect rendering support)

2009-02-11 Thread Larry Doolittle
Peter - On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 03:39:23PM +, Peter Clifton wrote: On Wed, 2009-02-11 at 09:44 -0500, Joshua Boyd wrote: Either with or without my change to Makefile.am, aclocal complains with a lot of warnings: I've noticed more and more noise from aclocal on Ubuntu systems. Its

Re: gEDA-user: label printing

2009-02-04 Thread Larry Doolittle
Levente - On Wed, Feb 04, 2009 at 11:30:53PM +0100, Levente Kovacs wrote: I would like to print labels. For this I'd generate N times some labels, with slight different content. Then I have N *.eps file. Question. How do I merge them into one A4 postscript page? Look into mpage

gEDA-user: geda in Lenny (was Re: Creating system-gafrc again)

2009-01-25 Thread Larry Doolittle
On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 02:32:18AM +, Peter Clifton wrote: On Sun, 2009-01-25 at 17:21 -0800, Gary L. Roach wrote: [chop] I'm running 1;1.4.0-2 on Lenny. I presume by reinstalled, you mean that you re-installed the debian package, not installed from source. [chop] Speaking of

Re: gEDA-user: Power (and other non-graphical) pins

2009-01-13 Thread Larry Doolittle
John - On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 12:54:21PM -0700, John Doty wrote: It seems you want gEDA to cater to your unwillingness to master new skills, learn better ways to do things. But gEDA's power is that it frees you to use the better way, not constraining you to inefficient ways of doing

Re: gEDA-user: OT: Recommendations for laptop?

2009-01-02 Thread Larry Doolittle
On Fri, Jan 02, 2009 at 09:40:08PM -0700, Eric Brombaugh wrote: I've been glancing over some of the inexpensive Linux-based netbooks lately - a tad underpowered, but potentially useful and cheap enough to take a flyer on. I'm curious how useful a 1024x800 screen would be for gEDA/PCB.

Re: gEDA-user: OT: Recommendations for laptop?

2008-12-27 Thread Larry Doolittle
On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 02:01:12PM -0800, Dave N6NZ wrote: One thing I've always liked about the Thinkpad's/Lenovo's is the excellent feel and behavior of the pressure stick. Works great. My new Lenovo has both a stick (which I like and use) and also a scratcher, which keeps getting in

Re: gEDA-user: OT: Recommendations for laptop?

2008-12-26 Thread Larry Doolittle
Stuart - On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 07:33:13AM -0500, Stuart Brorson wrote: Ordinarily I'd buy a reconditioned IBM Stink Pad from IBM, and then stick Fedora on it. Stink Pads are mechanically robust, and they play with Linux easily. However, IBM has sold the Stink Pad division to China, and I

Re: gEDA-user: pcb, howto partition power planes?

2008-10-28 Thread Larry Doolittle
DJ - On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 03:09:37PM -0400, DJ Delorie wrote: App notes and example designs are special cases: there is only one chip straddling the analog and digital divide. If you have more than one (e.g., both an ADC and a DAC) all those ideas pretty much go out the window, and

Re: gEDA-user: pcb, howto partition power planes?

2008-10-28 Thread Larry Doolittle
DJ - On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 12:49:51PM -0700, Larry Doolittle wrote: Your board looks decent. What kind of voltage resolution are you looking for (e.g., what IC are Uxx0)? I see now, ADE7753ARSZ, $3.834 in 25's at DigiKey. 16-bit Sigma-Delta under the hood. Good luck with that. The first

Re: gEDA-user: pcb, howto partition power planes?

2008-10-28 Thread Larry Doolittle
Joerg - On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 02:07:30PM -0700, Joerg wrote: Tried to load your layout but got an error and I could not find any pointers via web search. Error parsing file ... line: 801 description: font position out of range I hit this too. I just deleted the Symbol that tarts on

Re: gEDA-user: pcb, howto partition power planes?

2008-10-28 Thread Larry Doolittle
John - On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 10:11:38PM -0500, John Griessen wrote: Larry Doolittle wrote: I have seen exactly one case where a split (very carefully done) on the ground plane was needed to avoid a source of ground return crosstalk. I'd like to hear more about that, if you

gEDA-user: SFP modules to FPGA

2008-10-20 Thread Larry Doolittle
Friends - Just wondering how lazy I can be: Has anyone here made an SFP footprint for PCB? (SFP = Small Form-factor Pluggable transceiver, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SFP_transceiver) (e.g., AMP UE75-A20-3000T plus U77-A4114-2001) Has anyone here connected such a device to a

Re: gEDA-user: SFP modules to FPGA

2008-10-20 Thread Larry Doolittle
Marvin - On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 12:16:01AM -0400, Marvin Dickens wrote: I made an SFP footprint couple of years ago for a project. As I recall, this is a 20 pin DIP package with .8mm pitch Right, but the two rows are staggered. And then there is the cage to deal with. Let me look back

Re: gEDA-user: [OT] MIT Flea

2008-09-21 Thread Larry Doolittle
Guys - On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 08:53:29PM -0400, evan foss wrote: On 9/21/08, Stuart Brorson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But I did see this strange contraption from the street: http://www.luciani.org/photos/pic1/2008-09-21-mit-flea/IMG_1612.JPG Do you have any idea what it is? I think

Re: gEDA-user: free-open workarounds similar to SolidWorks

2008-09-07 Thread Larry Doolittle
Evan - On Sun, Sep 07, 2008 at 02:51:48AM -0400, evan foss wrote: I just have to wonder aloud what would happen if someone made a beer that was actually open sourced. Stallman would have to make a new saying to avoid confusion. http://www.freebeer.org/

Re: gEDA-user: Laser diode operation?

2008-08-30 Thread Larry Doolittle
Guys - On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 07:38:06AM -0400, Bob Paddock wrote: On Friday 29 August 2008 11:15:03 pm Robert Butts wrote: I'm using ten [laser diodes in] parallel. I WAS going to just use a 1 amp 5 vdc power supply with a 2.8 V zener diode to adjust the voltage to 2.2 V. Does not

Re: gEDA-user: suffix for Verilog include files

2008-07-24 Thread Larry Doolittle
On Sun, Jul 20, 2008, [redacted] wrote: On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 1:09 AM, Larry Doolittle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, really stupid question: is there a standard suffix to use for Verilog include files? [chop] Where I work (a large and very widely known communications company), we use .vh

gEDA-user: suffix for Verilog include files

2008-07-18 Thread Larry Doolittle
Friends - OK, really stupid question: is there a standard suffix to use for Verilog include files? I need something different from .v, so my Makefiles and scripts can tell them apart: include files don't get listed on the Icarus command line, even though they are a dependency listed in the

Re: gEDA-user: Gnetlist -g PCB

2008-06-29 Thread Larry Doolittle
On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 12:00:48AM -0400, al davis wrote: On Sunday 29 June 2008, John Doty wrote: It looks to me that geda has mixed the concepts of discipline and direction. Yes, but the real problem is the mixing of such clerical concepts into what is really a set of applied

Re: gEDA-user: OT: (Vhdl help)

2008-06-26 Thread Larry Doolittle
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Re: gEDA-user: Using mm units in .pcb files

2008-06-10 Thread Larry Doolittle
Steven - On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 02:57:33PM -0700, Steven Michalske wrote: Remember the high school science teacher docking points for not using units? It's burned into my skull! What unit should we define for PCB default units? They are mill/100, one hundred thousandth of an inch, or a

Re: gEDA-user: poll: How do you geda?

2008-06-04 Thread Larry Doolittle
Sorry to tack on to another response. On Wed, Jun 04, 2008 at 01:15:24PM -0300, John Coppens wrote: On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 09:55:26 + (UTC) Kai-Martin Knaak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * What OS do you run geda applications on? Debian, Ubuntu, x86 and amd64. * How did you install your copy

Re: gEDA-user: poll: How do you geda?

2008-06-04 Thread Larry Doolittle
Peter - On Wed, Jun 04, 2008 at 06:41:25PM +0100, Peter TB Brett wrote: On Wednesday 04 June 2008 17:30:11 Larry Doolittle wrote: Churn in file formats and user interface. I know other people label this as progress, but it does keep me from advocating gEDA for non-hackers. I need

Re: gEDA-user: poll: How do you geda?

2008-06-04 Thread Larry Doolittle
On Wed, Jun 04, 2008 at 02:04:34PM -0400, Stuart Brorson wrote: Just out of curiosity, who is maintaining xcircuit? Is it Tim Edwards? Is it under active development, or static? I use 3.6.130, released February 5, 2008 at 2:40am. I now see 3.6.131, released May 16, 2008 at 2:40am: Changed

Re: gEDA-user: [Icarus Verilog] Unable to synthesize synchronous process

2008-06-02 Thread Larry Doolittle
On Tue, Jun 03, 2008 at 02:09:34AM +0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've started with free Xilinx ISE, but now i'm trying to do my best to take part in icarus verilog community. Welcome! iverilog -tfpga test.v test.v:7: sorry: Forgot to implement NetCondit::synth_sync test.v:6: error: Unable

Re: gEDA-user: Icarus build problem?

2008-05-08 Thread Larry Doolittle
Evan - On Thu, May 08, 2008 at 06:41:39PM +0100, Evan Lavelle wrote: I can't run configure after downloading from git and sourcing autoconf.sh. The output from configure ends with: checking for BZ2_bzdopen in -lbz2... yes checking for BZ2_bzdopen in -lbz2... (cached) yes

Re: gEDA-user: Using 60Hz mains frequency for timing?

2008-05-02 Thread Larry Doolittle
Randall - On Fri, May 02, 2008 at 12:33:03PM -0400, Randall Nortman wrote: Just a quick non-gEDA design question -- I have the choice between using the zero crossings of the 60Hz mains voltage or my MCU clock (generated from an 18.432MHz quartz crystal producing a 48MHz CPU clock via PLL

Re: gEDA-user: Using 60Hz mains frequency for timing?

2008-05-02 Thread Larry Doolittle
On Fri, May 02, 2008 at 01:06:47PM -0400, Ian Chapman wrote: Crystal usually cut to + or - 100 ppm for a general use like a CPU and it will not change too much with temperature and age. Ethernet crystals were at one time cut to a better spec 50 ppm. Special communications crystal can be a

Re: gEDA-user: random project idea

2008-03-28 Thread Larry Doolittle
Steve - On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 10:27:28AM -0700, Steve Meier wrote: On Fri, 2008-03-28 at 10:20 -0700, Larry Doolittle wrote: OK. Just be sure to give the FPGA direct access (via PHY) to Ethernet. The same concept also applies to network performance. I'd venture to say you want four RJ

Re: gEDA-user: random project idea

2008-03-27 Thread Larry Doolittle
Guys - On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 04:22:34PM -0700, Jesse Gordon wrote: DJ Delorie wrote: http://www.xilinx.com/products/boards/ml410/index.html They have a lot of support chips on that board, though. Like the south bridge, CF controller, PCI bridge, etc. I was thinking more like every

Re: gEDA-user: random project idea

2008-03-27 Thread Larry Doolittle
On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 09:28:23PM -0500, John Griessen wrote: Larry Doolittle wrote: Self-reconfigurable FPGAs have been promised for years, but aren't ready, and probably never will be. I guess that's because the fpga makers seem to not want to let out their programming details

Re: gEDA-user: random project idea

2008-03-27 Thread Larry Doolittle
Jesse - On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 08:28:29PM -0700, Jesse Gordon wrote: Igor2 wrote: If we are at tools, I wonder... Is there an FPGA family that I could use without using non-free software at all? I was going to ask that very question. The closest I've come to free was xilinx's ISE

Re: gEDA-user: PC emulator and HDL

2008-03-13 Thread Larry Doolittle
John - On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 07:24:03PM -0500, John Griessen wrote: Larry Doolittle wrote: On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 12:19:30AM +0200, Ahmad Sayed wrote: The PC emulator will treat the HDL code as real hardware component. This style of simulation is of course useful. Steve W. and I have

Re: gEDA-user: RFC: Footprint Builder

2008-03-05 Thread Larry Doolittle
Robert - On Wed, Mar 05, 2008 at 09:24:48PM +, Robert Fitzsimons wrote: I decided to try knocking up a interactive program which could be used to create the footprints. Welcome to the club. I've to take a bit of a break until the weekend to work on another project, but I would

Re: gEDA-user: multi-page hierarchy

2008-02-14 Thread Larry Doolittle
gene - On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 06:50:13AM -0500, gene wrote: Larry Doolittle wrote: Right. This is a prime example of the tools being expert-friendly. It's no sweat for someone like me to add a perl script to the processing chain to rename the resistors in a consistent and design

Re: gEDA-user: multi-page hierarchy

2008-02-13 Thread Larry Doolittle
On Wed, Feb 13, 2008 at 05:13:45PM -0600, John Griessen wrote: gene wrote: When you lay out your board you get this fun issue that your refdes for a 0402 resistor is about 5 miles long. Really? I haven't tried this yet - but are you saying the refdes gets prefixed with the path?

Re: gEDA-user: multi-page hierarchy

2008-02-13 Thread Larry Doolittle
. Larry Doolittle wrote: Right. This is a prime example of the tools being expert-friendly. It's no sweat for someone like me to add a perl script to the processing chain to rename the resistors in a consistent and design-appropriate fashion. So you write a script to massage the netlist

Re: gEDA-user: finding shorts with gschem

2008-02-04 Thread Larry Doolittle
John - On Mon, Feb 04, 2008 at 06:13:51PM -0700, John Doty wrote: Does anybody use 4000 series CMOS anymore? Yes: Slow interfaces on noisy cables. Simple logic on unregulated power. Radiation tolerant circuits. High voltage mixed signal circuits. /me nods head Right, where high

Re: gEDA-user: Design with a 144 pin QFP

2008-02-03 Thread Larry Doolittle
Simon - On Sun, Feb 03, 2008 at 01:26:40PM +, ST de Feber wrote: The device in mind is an Altera Cyclone-3 FPGA. Most probably the ep3c5. FPGAs are the easiest chips to lay out, as long as you keep an open mind about pin assignments until you're halfway through the layout. Unless there is

Re: gEDA-user: Icarus Verilog vvp32 on 64bit systems

2008-01-24 Thread Larry Doolittle
Steve - On Thu, Jan 24, 2008 at 09:03:39PM -0800, Stephen Williams wrote: Does *anybody* use or even see value in the 32bit runtime support that Icarus Verilog includes in 64bit builds? Not purists like me, that have everything built from source on any given platform. The interest would

Re: gEDA-user: a project documentation system

2008-01-18 Thread Larry Doolittle
Peter - On Fri, Jan 18, 2008 at 10:45:12PM +, Peter Clifton wrote: Can you persuade your webserver to serve mime-types such as: application-x-pcb-layout application-x-pcb-footprint application-x-pcb-netlist application-x-geda-schematic application-x-geda-symbol If gEDA 1.3.x or

gEDA-user: Silkscreen over pads again

2008-01-17 Thread Larry Doolittle
Friends - A pcb fab just complained to me about the perennial silkscreen-over-pads issue. In the most recent discussion I found http://archives.seul.org/geda/user/Jan-2006/msg00672.html DJ said This was fixed at one point, such that pcb itself would remove the silk over pins and pads, but

Re: gEDA-user: Silkscreen over pads again

2008-01-17 Thread Larry Doolittle
Friends - On Thu, Jan 17, 2008 at 12:38:08PM -0500, Dan McMahill wrote: DJ Delorie wrote: We changed our minds about this. We changed PCB so that it showed silk over pads if that's what your design calls for, so if you see silk over pads on the screen, you'll get silk over pads on the

Re: gEDA-user: gEDA website face lift

2008-01-08 Thread Larry Doolittle
Ales - On Wed, Jan 09, 2008 at 02:49:15AM -0500, Ales Hvezda wrote: It's a New Year, so it's time for a slightly (very slight) new look on the gEDA (http://geda.seul.org) website. [chop] I humbly suggest you check your new pages against validator.w3.org. It's easy and fun! After you add a

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