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I have enough problems with my word processor changing case
when I don't want it to, I certainly don't need my
But I still don't understand why you would want your file system to see
myapp.log as being a different file from myApp.log?
foo.c is a C program
foo.C is a C++ program
Which does a Makefile choose first? And yes, gcc cares about case, so
don't use wildcards.
cvs is a program
CVS is a
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But I still don't understand why you would want your file system
On 4/4/07, David Kerber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I guess I should stop arguing this; I can live and work with either one as
long as I know what's expected, even if it's not how I would have designed
it...
It's strongly preferred that .cc be used for C++ programs instead of .C.
Even so,
On Apr 4, 2007, at 10:54 AM, David Kerber wrote:
But I still don't understand why you would want your file system to
see myapp.log as being a different file from myApp.log?
foo.c is a C program
foo.C is a C++ program
Which does a Makefile choose first? And yes, gcc cares about
case, so don't
On Apr 4, 2007, at 11:21 AM, Samuel A. Falvo II wrote:
I guess I should stop arguing this; I can live and work with
either one as
long as I know what's expected, even if it's not how I would have
designed
it...
It's strongly preferred that .cc be used for C++ programs instead
of .C.
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On 4/4/07, David Kerber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I guess I
I agree here; it should keep whatever I type in for the case, and that's the
way it has worked since at least windows 2000.
What is extra-special annoying (and thank goodness I'm away from Windows
now), is you can't rename a file to different case. Windows _refuses_
(because as far as its
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I agree here; it should keep whatever I type in for the case, and
that's the way it has worked since at least windows 2000.
What is extra-special annoying (and thank goodness I'm away
from Windows now), is you can't
Do you mix your C and C++ projects' source code together like that? I
wouldn't.
Me, I use *.cc for C++. But, as the creator of DJGPP, I have to deal
with all the users who run GCC HELLO.C and can't figure out why it
doesn't work right.
cvs is a program
CVS is a subdirectory for source
Thanks; I'm beginning what you're getting at.
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Do you mix your C and C
On Wednesday 04 April 2007 10:54, David Kerber wrote:
Do you mix your C and C++ projects' source code together like
that? I wouldn't.
It is very common, mostly for using existing code. If you are
using C++, there is no advantage in having part of it in C, but
it does make sense as a way to
That makes sense; thanks.
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On Wednesday 04 April 2007 10:54, David Kerber
With gnucap you can use fault, modify, param to
interactively change component values. You can also sweep them
with the DC command. Spice can sweep sources. Gnucap can
sweep any single value.
How about .. R1 (2 4) foo
param foo=10k
op
param foo=47l
That sounds _exactly_ like what I was
On Tuesday 03 April 2007 09:51, Patrick Doyle wrote:
With gnucap you can use fault, modify, param to
1) How would I model a switch?
The switch device? Type S. (Same as Spice)
2) Did I forget a switch when I built Gnucap that would
enable an X windows plot, or does Gnucap only support
3) I fetched the spice model for an MMBT3640 from
Fairchild, and saw that my simple circuit loaded up in
ngspice, but when I attempt to load it in Gnucap, I get:
* gnetlist -g spice-sdb -s -o mictest.ckt mictest.sch
.MODEL MMBT3640 PNP LEVEL = 1 IS= 1.41E-15 ISE
On Tuesday 03 April 2007 11:17, Patrick Doyle wrote:
ok, attached (perhaps) is a tarball of my work-in-progress
directory, including my gschem schematic, my models
directory, my Makefile that runs gnetlist (and ngspice). I
just checked before I packaged it up, and my version of
Gnucap still
The reason it works with ng-spice and not gnucap is that it was
written for ng-spice not gnucap.
Gnucap doesn't have levels for the BJT unless you use plugins.
You uncovered a bug that came about with the plugins -- in how
it handles that. The old version would just ignore the level
keyword.
On Tuesday 03 April 2007 14:08, al davis wrote:
It still gets a warning on the NK
parameter, and ignores it. That is the same in gnucap or
ngspice, or in gnucap with spice3f5 of ngspice models.
Actually, it is a one-liner to add the parameter. I don't know
what it does. It is probably
On 4/3/07, al davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tuesday 03 April 2007 14:08, al davis wrote:
It still gets a warning on the NK
parameter, and ignores it. That is the same in gnucap or
ngspice, or in gnucap with spice3f5 of ngspice models.
Actually, it is a one-liner to add the parameter. I
One more point ...
Node names are case sensitive.
I suppose I should change it, but that part of the code is
planned for major rework anyway, and Verilog is supposed to be
case sensitive.
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On 4/3/07, al davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
One more point ...
Node names are case sensitive.
I suppose I should change it, but that part of the code is
planned for major rework anyway, and Verilog is supposed to be
case sensitive.
I'm a 20 year Unix veteran. I prefer case sensitivity :-)
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On 4/3/07, al davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
One more point ...
Node names are case sensitive.
I suppose I should change it, but that part of the code is
planned for
major rework anyway, and Verilog is supposed
On 4/3/07, David Kerber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As a windows user who does java programming (which is case-sensitive), I can
understand being used to it, but why would you actually prefer it?
habit, comfort, discipline, golly I've never really thought too much
about it before.
--wpd
On Tuesday 03 April 2007 15:02, Patrick Doyle wrote:
I'm a 20 year Unix veteran. I prefer case sensitivity :-)
The issue here is not preference but conformance to a published
standard (Verilog) or to an unwritten understanding in Spice.
Actually, early versions of Spice (in Fortran) were case
On Apr 3, 2007, at 3:25 PM, David Kerber wrote:
As a windows user who does java programming (which is case-
sensitive), I can
understand being used to it, but why would you actually prefer it?
I can tell you why *I* prefer case-sensitivity. It makes sense.
'A' is simply not the same
I have enough problems with my word processor changing case when I
don't want it to, I certainly don't need my file system doing it too.
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Dave McGuire wrote:
On Apr 3, 2007, at 3:25 PM, David Kerber wrote:
As a windows user who does java programming (which is
case-sensitive), I can
understand being used to it, but why would you actually prefer it?
I can tell you why *I* prefer case-sensitivity. It makes sense.
'A' is
On Tue, Apr 03, 2007 at 04:00:24PM -0400, DJ Delorie wrote:
I have enough problems with my word processor changing case when I
don't want it to, I certainly don't need my file system doing it too.
It recently took me five minutes to sweet-talk openoffice into
letting me type MHz correctly.
On Apr 3, 2007, at 4:28 PM, Ryan Seal wrote:
As a windows user who does java programming (which is case-
sensitive), I can
understand being used to it, but why would you actually prefer it?
I can tell you why *I* prefer case-sensitivity. It makes
sense. 'A' is simply not the same thing
Subject: Re: gEDA-user: simulation advice
On Tue, Apr 03, 2007 at 04:00:24PM -0400, DJ Delorie wrote:
I have enough problems with my word processor changing case when I
don't want it to, I certainly don't need my file system
doing it too.
It recently took me five minutes to sweet-talk
David -
On Tue, Apr 03, 2007 at 04:52:52PM -0400, David Kerber wrote:
There's a much shallower option to add [MHz] to the dictionary, so it will
even correct it next time...
Openoffice didn't just show it with a red squiggly underline,
it actively changed it as soon as I typed it. How could
Since you mentioned it, and I didn't think of it before, it is
easy to change it, so I did ..
Here's the patch ..
in the file d_bjt.model
Find:
public_keys {
NPN polarity=pN;
PNP polarity=pP;
}
Change it to:
public_keys {
NPN polarity=pN;
PNP polarity=pP;
NPN1
On Tuesday 03 April 2007 17:05, Patrick Doyle wrote:
Speaking of patches, features, and recompiles...
I just typed edit at the Gnucap prompt for a somewhat
modified, but basically the same netlist as I gave you
previously, was rewarded with the netlist showing up in my
emacs, exited out, and
al davis wrote:
On Tuesday 03 April 2007 15:02, Patrick Doyle wrote:
I'm a 20 year Unix veteran. I prefer case sensitivity :-)
The issue here is not preference but conformance to a published
standard (Verilog) or to an unwritten understanding in Spice.
Actually, early versions of Spice
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It recently took me five minutes to sweet-talk openoffice into
letting me type MHz correctly.
Yet another reason to use vi and troff instead of OO.
Good thing for me I rarely use word processors of any kind.
I'm a TeXhead from way back.
So why were you using OO
On Monday 02 April 2007 21:54, Patrick Doyle wrote:
OK, now that I have the slightest inkling of an idea of what
I'm doing, I thought I would ask for some direction...
I want to model a fairly simple circuit consisting of a
handful of R's and C's, a transistor, a diode, a couple of
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