Re: [Gendergap] Visible female faces for Wikim/pedia

2011-03-20 Thread Samuel Klein
On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 2:28 AM, Susan Spencer wrote: > > I've seen Japanese text books which have happy, healthy, young > male and female faces that are utilized to comment upon the text. > More like Ash from Pokemon (not the Nurse, lol!) > Why couldn't the personification of Wikipedia a pair of

Re: [Gendergap] Visible female faces for Wikim/pedia

2011-03-20 Thread Susan Spencer
I've seen Japanese text books which have happy, healthy, young male and female faces that are utilized to comment upon the text. More like Ash from Pokemon (not the Nurse, lol!) Why couldn't the personification of Wikipedia a pair of happy, healthy, young people, a male and a female? Always seen to

Re: [Gendergap] Today's featured picture

2011-03-20 Thread Dominic
I am struck by how few voices of reason there are on this mailing list, and this post is a prime example of why those people have probably mostly thrown up their hands and left. If the suggestion that we put more hot guys on our main page was a joke, it was was not constructive; if it was serio

[Gendergap] Free Credo Reference accounts for Wikipedians

2011-03-20 Thread Sarah
Another 400 free Credo Reference accounts have been made available for Wikipedians, kindly donated by the company and arranged by Erik Möller of the Wikimedia Foundation. We've drawn up some eligibility criteria to direct the accounts to content contributors, and after that it's first come, first s

[Gendergap] Today's featured picture

2011-03-20 Thread Daniel and Elizabeth Case
Remote possibility: Would more front-page featured pictures like today's: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:MARTAKIS1.jpg perhaps entice at least some women to edit who aren't otherwise doing so? Or at least even out the Wikipe-tan effect? Cf. this album cover: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fram

Re: [Gendergap] Visible female faces for Wikim/pedia

2011-03-20 Thread Daniel and Elizabeth Case
>I noticed that the article > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipe-tan > > just survived a second deletion attempt. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/Wikipedia:Wikipe-tan_%282nd_nomination%29 > > The main Wikipe-tan image obviously should be the focus of *C

Re: [Gendergap] Visible female faces for Wikim/pedia

2011-03-20 Thread carolmooredc
I noticed that the article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipe-tan just survived a second deletion attempt. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/Wikipedia:Wikipe-tan_%282nd_nomination%29 The main Wikipe-tan image obviously should be the focus of *Change*. Obvi

Re: [Gendergap] Visible female faces for Wikim/pedia

2011-03-20 Thread Fred Bauder
> >>Try to delete all the female only ones. > > Per my vote: > http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Wikipe-tan%27s_past,_now_and_future2.png&diff=52205534&oldid=52201575 > > Be bold: Delete them *all* and let the data gods sort them out. > Daniel Case Just

Re: [Gendergap] Visible female faces for Wikim/pedia

2011-03-20 Thread Nicole Willson
I really like this idea. It wouldn't even have to be a drawing -- you could use pictures of men and women editing, discussing and appearing in panels together at Wikimania and other wiki conferences/meetups. - Nicole/Elocina On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 6:02 PM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > --- On Sun, 20

Re: [Gendergap] Visible female faces for Wikim/pedia

2011-03-20 Thread Daniel and Elizabeth Case
>Try to delete all the female only ones. Per my vote: http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Wikipe-tan%27s_past,_now_and_future2.png&diff=52205534&oldid=52201575 Be bold: Delete them *all* and let the data gods sort them out. I think discussion in the ea

Re: [Gendergap] Visible female faces for Wikim/pedia

2011-03-20 Thread Andreas Kolbe
--- On Sun, 20/3/11, carolmoor...@verizon.net wrote: > Come up with male and female wikipe-tans and put those up. Thinking out loud here: Having images that contain both a female and a male figure might actually be useful for young men, on a subliminal level. Having the two figures drawn in

Re: [Gendergap] Visible female faces for Wikim/pedia

2011-03-20 Thread Nicole Willson
My suggestion for future brochures for newbies would be stories and tips related to getting started editing from real-life Wikipedia editors of both genders. On 3/20/11, Juliana da Costa José wrote: > Yes it is good to provoke a discussion this way. > I myself hate this pictures, maybe this is o

[Gendergap] Visible female faces for Wikim/pedia

2011-03-20 Thread Juliana da Costa José
Yes it is good to provoke a discussion this way. I myself hate this pictures, maybe this is overshadowing a neutral point of view. I am sorry J. 2011/3/20, carolmoor...@verizon.net : > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category_talk:Wikipe-tan > Might be more appropriate. > > Ways of dealing wi

Re: [Gendergap] Visible female faces for Wikim/pedia

2011-03-20 Thread carolmooredc
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category_talk:Wikipe-tan Might be more appropriate. Ways of dealing with it: come up with much more appropriate and popular symbol widely disseminated. Come up with male and female wikipe-tans and put those up. Try to delete all the female only ones. On 3/20/

[Gendergap] Visible female faces for Wikim/pedia

2011-03-20 Thread Juliana da Costa José
hehe ;) http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikipe-tan%27s_past,_now_and_future2.png 2011/3/20, Carol Moore in DC : > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category_talk:Wikipe-tan > I started a debate here. Uh oh, sexual innuendo warning. ___ Genderga

Re: [Gendergap] Visible female faces for Wikim/pedia

2011-03-20 Thread Carol Moore in DC
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category_talk:Wikipe-tan I started a debate here. Uh oh, sexual innuendo warning. On 3/20/2011 1:54 PM, Juliana da Costa José wrote: > Additional: > > I really love the first sentence here [1]: > > "Wikipe-tan is one of the personifications of Wikipedia." > > So i

Re: [Gendergap] Visible female faces for Wikim/pedia

2011-03-20 Thread Adrianne Wadewitz
Perhaps one project for us to undertake is to make more Wikimedia women visible. Perhaps there are invisible women working in the background? I know, for example, that 5 of the 6 Campus Ambassadors here at Indiana University for the Public Policy Initiative are women. That means that when people "s

Re: [Gendergap] Visible female faces for Wikim/pedia

2011-03-20 Thread Lennart Guldbrandsson
I am not going to defend the stereotypical figure of Wikipe-tan. However, the rationale of using a female character in Welcome to Wikipedia can be seen in at least two ways: a) the way you described, and b) that we're damned if we do, and damned if we don't. If we had picked a male character in

Re: [Gendergap] Visible female faces for Wikim/pedia

2011-03-20 Thread Nicole Willson
I find it interesting that both comic images (Sara and WIkipe-tan) perpetuate female stereotypes: - Sara gets to be the person who doesn't know what she's doing. I think the intentions behind this were probably good, but it seems like most ads have the woman as the clueless one. For example, when

Re: [Gendergap] Visible female faces for Wikim/pedia

2011-03-20 Thread Nicole Willson
Agreed, especially because the woman in the comic does not start out as a contributor. I think it's great that such a brochure exists, but it's nice to see actual human beings that you can contact and talk to in help documentation. In the wikiHow tour there are pictures of the contributors: http:

[Gendergap] Visible female faces for Wikim/pedia

2011-03-20 Thread Juliana da Costa José
Additional: I really love the first sentence here [1]: "Wikipe-tan is one of the personifications of Wikipedia." So if you see the following pictures (my favourites are this [2] and [3]) and see a child-eyed girl in french-roommade-dress and hold-ups cleaning so it says a lot about the picture o

[Gendergap] Visible female faces for Wikim/pedia

2011-03-20 Thread Juliana da Costa José
Hi, I like this file, but this is a comic-woman. And the most women I know do not really identify with a drawn person, especially if you have this kind of Comic-Women too in Wikipedia: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datei:Wikipe_tan_wearing_a_bikini_by_Kasuga39.png A comic-person really hate very

Re: [Gendergap] Visible female faces for Wikim/pedia

2011-03-20 Thread Lennart Guldbrandsson
Hello, I agree. We have at least one female rolemodel, though, and she's seen by thousands of people thanks to the Ambassadors Programme: http://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Welcome2WP_English_082310.pdf&page=1 Best wishes, Lennart Lennart Guldbrandsson, Fellow of the Wi

[Gendergap] Visible female faces for Wikim/pedia

2011-03-20 Thread Juliana da Costa José
Hello, my problem in Wikipedia is, that we have not many rolemodels who are not very known outside of the Wikim/pedia world. The only one, who is constant in media is Sue. Sue is wonderful, but where are the other faces of Wikim/pedia? Where are the other women, why are they hiding? Ok, we had a

[Gendergap] Panel on Women in Leadership

2011-03-20 Thread Fred Bauder
BookTV March 12, 2011 Tucson Festival of Books Authors discussed their books about women in leadership. First, Dr. Connie Mariano talked about her book, The White House Doctor: My Patients Were Presidents - A Memoir. Then Gloria Feldt talked about her book, No Excuses: 9 Ways Women Can Change How