On 12/2/03 10:37 PM, Jeremy Boynes wrote:
Ted Leung wrote:
On 12/1/03 10:00 AM, David Jencks wrote:
Not to mention Xerces (definitely a person) and Alexandria (city in
Egypt), Merlin (religious and possibly a person's name), Pluto
(religious and possibly a geographical place, depending on whet
APACHE INCUBATOR PROJECT STATUS: -*-indented-text-*-
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Web site: http://Incubator.Apache.Org/
Wiki page: http://Nagoya.Apache.Org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?ApacheIncubatorProjectPages
[note: the Web site is the 'official' documenta
On Dec 3, 2003, at 3:55 AM, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
Aaron Bannert wrote:
...
Can we get the committers to vote/voice their opinion here so we can
finally wrap this up?
We have decided that the name must be reconsidered by the project.
IIRC, the Geronimo project is obligated to reconsider their
On Dec 3, 2003, at 12:27 PM, Aaron Bannert wrote:
On Tue, Dec 02, 2003 at 08:04:58PM -0500, Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:
On Dec 2, 2003, at 5:40 PM, Aaron Bannert wrote:
[...]
I would
like to hear what the current Geronimo committers think about the
vote, and if they are ok with selecting a new name (
I think I get what you mean! :-)
10 PRINT "There are no subprojects"
20 GOTO 10
So in the case of Lenya, we should not have done community incubation,
as the project would have been part of the Cocoon project, so it's
Cocoon's thing to do.
This means that Lenya falls under the same case as Wa
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
Sam Ruby wrote:
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
...
Lenya will become a sub-project of Cocoon. Or better, a sub-codebase
of the same project. It's fair to assume that once incubation is
finished, the Lenya codebase will go to the Cocoon PMC and that all
Lenya committers wi
Aaron Bannert wrote:
> Jeremy Boynes wrote:
> > I believe the most appropriate thing is to table this for the PPMC to
> > handle.
> What's the point of pretending the PPMC can take responsibility for
> this when at the end of it a bunch of people are going to say it has
> to change it's name befor
Stitching the parts I find important to concentrate on.
(Sam, you can reply to my questions here for brevity and clarity)
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
...
Hmmm ... I am beginning to wonder about the semantic gap. For a new
"sub-project", e.g., a Lenya under Cocoon, we both agree that the Incubator
is re
Sam Ruby wrote:
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
...
Lenya will become a sub-project of Cocoon. Or better, a sub-codebase
of the same project. It's fair to assume that once incubation is
finished, the Lenya codebase will go to the Cocoon PMC and that all
Lenya committers will go in the Cocoon PMC.
Now
On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 09:55:15AM +0100, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
>
> Aaron Bannert wrote:
> ...
> >Can we get the committers to vote/voice their opinion here so we can
> >finally wrap this up?
>
> We have decided that the name must be reconsidered by the project. We
> don't yet have anything
On Tue, Dec 02, 2003 at 08:04:58PM -0500, Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:
>
> On Dec 2, 2003, at 5:40 PM, Aaron Bannert wrote:
[...]
> > I would
> >like to hear what the current Geronimo committers think about the
> >vote, and if they are ok with selecting a new name (or if they are
> >vehemently oppos
On Tue, Dec 02, 2003 at 04:41:46PM -0800, Jeremy Boynes wrote:
> I believe the most appropriate thing is to table this for the PPMC to
> handle.
What's the point of pretending the PPMC can take responsibility for
this when at the end of it a bunch of people are going to say it has
to change it's
Nicola Ken wrote:
> Lenya will become a sub-project of Cocoon. Or better, a sub-codebase of
> the same project. It's fair to assume that once incubation is finished,
> the Lenya codebase will go to the Cocoon PMC and that all Lenya
> committers will go in the Cocoon PMC.
> Now, IIUC you suggest th
Sam Ruby wrote:
> I, in turn, think that some have interpreted the Incubator's
> mandate too broadly.
Then lets get the mandate clarified and/or our shared understanding of it.
:-)
> No question on having the incubator "vette" the clear title. I actively
> support that role for the incubator on
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
I maintain that if I were made an active committer in Maven by virtue
of this hypothetical donation (and therefore eligable to become a
member of the Maven PMC, perhaps immediately or perhaps after a few
month delay), that no PPMC would be neccessary or appropriate.
I
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
...
My first guess is that we should simply set up a page for code grants as
we do for incubating projects, and a directory to store the grant stuff.
PMC chairs would simply track the status of the donation there.
I don't believe that we need a special case of this situation.
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
I've put it this way on the wiki proposal, it should suffice:
"Incubator PMC members not engaged in active discussion and development
on a project are on the project PPMC in quality of observers. They
should refrain from voting on PPMC decisions unless really necessary,
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
Sam Ruby wrote:
Suppose somebody new contributes 1K lines of quality code a week to
Maven over the course of a year... and is voted in as a comitter.
Clearly a CLA is required, but does a PPMC need to be created or
does the incubator need to be involved?
Of course not, as yo
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
> > 2) Suppose I write 50K lines of code and it lives on sourceforge for a
> > year. Maven takes a liking to it and I contribute it (and in the
> > process am made a committer). Clearly a software grant is required, but
> > is a PPMC needed or does the incubator need to
Sam Ruby wrote:
> Suppose somebody new contributes 1K lines of quality code a week to
> Maven over the course of a year... and is voted in as a comitter.
> Clearly a CLA is required, but does a PPMC need to be created or
> does the incubator need to be involved?
Of course not, as you well know.
Sam Ruby wrote:
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
2) Suppose I write 50K lines of code and it lives on sourceforge for
a year. Maven takes a liking to it and I contribute it (and in the
process am made a committer). Clearly a software grant is required,
but is a PPMC needed or does the incubator nee
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
2) Suppose I write 50K lines of code and it lives on sourceforge for a
year. Maven takes a liking to it and I contribute it (and in the
process am made a committer). Clearly a software grant is required,
but is a PPMC needed or does the incubator need to be involved?
Sander Striker wrote:
On Wed, 2003-12-03 at 09:29, Bruce Snyder wrote:
This one time, at band camp, Berin Lautenbach said:
BL>> 2) Identify the PPMC who gets to name this project - and hold them
BL>> accountable for their decision.
BL>
BL>+1. I think the Incubator PMC is in a kind of unique po
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
I've put it this way on the wiki proposal, it should suffice:
"Incubator PMC members not engaged in active discussion and development
on a project are on the project PPMC in quality of observers. They
should refrain from voting on PPMC decisions unless really necessary
On Dec 3, 2003, at 7:37 AM, Jeremy Boynes wrote:
Ted Leung wrote:
Xerces is a butterfly. It is not a misspelling of Xerxes (the person)
According to http://www.xerces.org/Xerces.htm
"The French entomologist Boisduval named the butterfly for King
Xerxes, but retained the French spelling, Xerces.
On Wed, 2003-12-03 at 09:29, Bruce Snyder wrote:
> This one time, at band camp, Berin Lautenbach said:
>
> BL>> 2) Identify the PPMC who gets to name this project - and hold them
> BL>> accountable for their decision.
> BL>
> BL>+1. I think the Incubator PMC is in a kind of unique position. We
Aaron Bannert wrote:
...
Can we get the committers to vote/voice their opinion here so we can
finally wrap this up?
We have decided that the name must be reconsidered by the project. We
don't yet have anything to represent the project, as it will be the
PPMC. Thus this will be the first chore of
Sam Ruby wrote:
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
Sam Ruby wrote:
One thing we have talked about is PPMC's. This makes a lot of sense for
things proposed as new ASF projects. This makes considerably less sense
for donations such as the ones that are coming into Maven. The PMC is
already established.
Sam Ruby wrote:
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
Sam Ruby wrote:
...
For that reason, I believe that there needs to be a clear distinction
between PPMC members who are primarily observers and vetoers of last
resort, and those who are active in the construction of the project.
Is it really needed? I gues
This one time, at band camp, Berin Lautenbach said:
BL>> 2) Identify the PPMC who gets to name this project - and hold them
BL>> accountable for their decision.
BL>
BL>+1. I think the Incubator PMC is in a kind of unique position. We are
BL>trying to ensure that new projects/new committers in
On 3 Dec 2003, at 01:04, Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:
On Dec 2, 2003, at 5:40 PM, Aaron Bannert wrote:
On Tue, Dec 02, 2003 at 09:58:02AM +0100, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
IMNSHO Geronimo can easily go on without a logo or a final name for a
couple of weeks if needed, so I'll wait to get 3 done after
On 30 Nov 2003, at 21:20, Roy T. Fielding wrote:
The project was initiated on condition that the name would be
reconsidered prior to becoming a TLP.
Agreed. My feeling is lets postpone this discussion until becoming a
TLP.
We're gonna have to move CVS repos, change mail lists etc anyways
when
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