Re: Roller release policy

2006-01-18 Thread Henri Yandell
On 1/18/06, Martin van den Bemt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I see roller already in SVN, is the development already going on in there ? Yep. > Based on the README.txt in SVN, you can scratch radeox as being LGPL. They > switched to BSD... > (at least one legal issue got solved automatically :)

[STATUS] (incubator) Wed Jan 18 23:57:20 2006

2006-01-18 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
APACHE INCUBATOR PROJECT STATUS: -*-indented-text-*- Last modified at [$Date: 2005-11-24 00:30:24 -0500 (Thu, 24 Nov 2005) $] Web site: http://Incubator.Apache.Org/ Wiki page: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ [note: the Web site is the 'official' documentation; the wiki

Re: Incubator site status wrt a move to Anakia?

2006-01-18 Thread David Crossley
David Crossley wrote: > David Crossley wrote: > > Leo Simons wrote: > > > > > > -- http://people.apache.org/~crossley/incubator-anakia/faq.html > > >missing the questions! > > Ah thanks, this is a big problem. > > The converted xdocs have: > > > > Whereas i think that Geir's Anakia te

Re: Jira Usage (was Re: (in)appropriate wiki use)

2006-01-18 Thread David Crossley
Gav wrote: > > Apologies if I have it wrong here, as I am new to this particular list, but > does anyone > take any notice of the Jira Issues for Incubator site? > My patches and comments needed for me to provide more patches are only a few > days > old, I am used to quick turnaround of patc

RE: ajax proposal?

2006-01-18 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Raphaël Luta wrote: > > What specific concerns do you have with this community and this codebase? > - the mentor for this project is salaried by the project sponsor ! To date, we have said that an ASF Member is an individual, not an employeee. Mind you, we're also discussing that a project SHOULD

RE: ajax proposal?

2006-01-18 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Raphaël Luta wrote: > I thought it would be safe to assume that Zimbra collaboration suite > uses the AjaxTk. If it doesn't then I'm even more worried about that > codebase ;) Why? >>>An established codebase is *much* more difficult to restructure >>>than starting from scratch. >> Apache SOAP

OFBiz Marketing and Services

2006-01-18 Thread J Aaron Farr
Hello all. The current OFBiz project has a lot of material on marketing and services. I'm wondering how the team anticipates they'll handle this material during the incubation transition. We encourage commercial use of ASF products and we support efforts to build companies around them. So there

Re: Incubator site status wrt a move to Anakia?

2006-01-18 Thread David Crossley
Jean T. Anderson wrote: > David Crossley wrote: > >... > >Can anyone see any other glitches in the conversion process? > > The anchors forrest generates for page sections are lost, so anything > that references them don't work. > > For example, close to the end of the "Podling Constraints" sect

Re: [VOTE] AJAX Toolkit Proposal - Updated (Again)

2006-01-18 Thread Andrew Clark
Upayavira wrote: > Another concern IIRC was download size. I remember > (possibly incorrectly) that the toolkit has quite a > large download before it will work, while other > toolkits download piecemeal as required. That's certainly one approach. And there are good reasons for doing it all to

Re: Incubator site status wrt a move to Anakia?

2006-01-18 Thread Jean T. Anderson
David Crossley wrote: ... Can anyone see any other glitches in the conversion process? The anchors forrest generates for page sections are lost, so anything that references them don't work. For example, close to the end of the "Podling Constraints" section in http://people.apache.org/~cross

Re: [VOTE] AJAX Toolkit Proposal - Updated (Again)

2006-01-18 Thread Ross Dargahi
Just a couple comments on Zimbra's motivations :-) Zimbra has absolutely no commercial interest or monetization goals around its Ajax toolkit. We are a collaboration software company and not a software tools company. We do have a very strong interest in ensuring the success of Ajax in a *non-pr

Re: Incubator site status wrt a move to Anakia?

2006-01-18 Thread David Crossley
David Crossley wrote: > Leo Simons wrote: > > > > -- http://people.apache.org/~crossley/incubator-anakia/faq.html > >missing the questions! Ah thanks, this is a big problem. The converted xdocs have: Whereas i think that Geir's Anakia template might be expecting: I will try to

Re: [VOTE] AJAX Toolkit Proposal - Updated (Again)

2006-01-18 Thread Upayavira
Andrew Clark wrote: > Martin Marinschek wrote: > >>can you just shortly reply to the technical questions >>Martin Cooper has raised on this list? I do think he >>has a valid point there, and I'd like to hear what you >>have to say to that. > > > I went back to the archives and re-read all of

Re: [VOTE] AJAX Toolkit Proposal - Updated (Again)

2006-01-18 Thread Martin Marinschek
For me, the first approach suffices. regards, Martin On 1/18/06, Andrew Clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Martin Marinschek wrote: > > I don't recall anymore what he said specifically - did > > he talk about namespacing? do you do that? > > I was unable to find anything specific to comment on.

Re: [VOTE] AJAX Toolkit Proposal - Updated (Again)

2006-01-18 Thread Andrew Clark
Martin Marinschek wrote: > I don't recall anymore what he said specifically - did > he talk about namespacing? do you do that? I was unable to find anything specific to comment on. Most of Martin Cooper's comments in his posts were about the technology being too immature and that he felt (after l

website content issues (Was: Incubator site status wrt a move to Anakia?)

2006-01-18 Thread David Crossley
Leo Simons wrote: > > Nothing to do with the conversion...but noting these as I clicked around... > > -- linkback to "ASF" is confusing right now > > -- http://people.apache.org/~crossley/incubator-anakia/resolution.html >should probably point out how PMC roster and chair is different >t

Re: Incubator site status wrt a move to Anakia?

2006-01-18 Thread David Crossley
Leo Simons wrote: > Dude, > > David Crossley wrote: > > Here is the result of my experiment ... > ... > > Thanks to the Forrest project for the new abilities. > > +1. Amazing. Kudos to you and the other forrest peeps for turing complaints > into feature requests and implementing the right bits. I

Re: Incubator site status wrt a move to Anakia?

2006-01-18 Thread David Crossley
Geir Magnusson Jr wrote: > This is great. I've been A->B testing with the example I put on ~geir > and things look good. I think some of my hand-done pages look better > but that's because a) I did them by hand and b) I ain't gonna admit I > was showed up by no fancy machine! :-) We can stil

Re: [doc] "Getting Started in the Incubator" topic

2006-01-18 Thread Jean T. Anderson
Leo Simons wrote: On Tue, Jan 17, 2006 at 07:33:56PM -0800, Jean T. Anderson wrote: I think this information should go in one of these places: http://incubator.apache.org/learn/ http://incubator.apache.org/guides/ +1. with more thought, guides would be the best fit; besides, there are

Re: (in)appropriate wiki use

2006-01-18 Thread David N. Welton
Leo Simons wrote: >>Keep in mind that with the Incubator, perhaps only one or two people >>might already have access to subversion. > There's well over a hundred people with write access to the parts of incubator > SVN where such stuff would live. If there's not enough of those people > willing

What format should proposals be in. (OFBiz proposal)

2006-01-18 Thread David N. Welton
Geir Magnusson Jr wrote: > Sorry. The wiki made me do it :) I hope David's been around enough to > understand I didn't intend to chasten. I suspect he was following > recent examples (and I should have said something sooner...) David hasn't been around the Incubator very long. I'm just trying

Re: [VOTE] AJAX Toolkit Proposal - Updated (Again)

2006-01-18 Thread Martin Marinschek
I don't recall anymore what he said specifically - did he talk about namespacing? do you do that? regards, Martin On 1/18/06, Andrew Clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Martin Marinschek wrote: > > can you just shortly reply to the technical questions > > Martin Cooper has raised on this list? I

Re: [VOTE] AJAX Toolkit Proposal - Updated (Again)

2006-01-18 Thread Andrew Clark
Martin Marinschek wrote: > can you just shortly reply to the technical questions > Martin Cooper has raised on this list? I do think he > has a valid point there, and I'd like to hear what you > have to say to that. I went back to the archives and re-read all of Martin's posts on this topic but

RE: [VOTE] Werner as juice committer

2006-01-18 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Dims, We normally vote on people on the private lists (pmc@, ppmc@). Everything else is generally public. In any event, +1 for him. --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail:

RE: Incubator 2006Q1 Status Report to the ASF Board

2006-01-18 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Martin, Even if it hadn't, we'd remove it. The project simply never came in, despite being approved. It stayed at tigris.org. --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAI

Being a mentor

2006-01-18 Thread Martin van den Bemt
Hi everyone, I was under the impression that being a mentor was just for ASF members, but couldn't find that written down anywhere. If it is not just a thing for ASF Members, I wouldn't mind freeing up some time to help out with mentoring. Mvgr, Martin ---

Re: Incubator 2006Q1 Status Report to the ASF Board

2006-01-18 Thread Martin van den Bemt
About Axion : the db PMC is going to request removal of Axion (at least I pinged them about Axion and that was the reply).. Mvgr, Martin Noel J. Bergman wrote: Tobago came through with its report. --- Noel - To unsub

Re: [VOTE] Werner as juice committer

2006-01-18 Thread Aleksander Slominski
Davanum Srinivas wrote: As part of reviving juice, can we please VOTE werner as a committer to enable him to continue his offline work? [1] it is great to see this happening! Here's my +1. +1 (not sure if i have a binding vote for this) best, alek [1] : http://www.nabble.com/Statu

Re: [doc] "Getting Started in the Incubator" topic

2006-01-18 Thread J Aaron Farr
On 1/17/06, Jean T. Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It shouldn't be buried deep in a subpage, nor should it be on a page > that is already busy. http://incubator.apache.org/howtoparticipate.html > is borderline too busy and covers more than this one role. > > comments? feedback? Looks good.

Re: Roller release policy

2006-01-18 Thread Martin van den Bemt
I subscribed to the roller user and dev list (found it at the bottom of the status html file..), so you can reply there if it's more appropiate.. Mvgr, Martin Martin van den Bemt wrote: I see roller already in SVN, is the development already going on in there ? Based on the README.txt in SVN,

Re: Roller release policy

2006-01-18 Thread Martin van den Bemt
I see roller already in SVN, is the development already going on in there ? Based on the README.txt in SVN, you can scratch radeox as being LGPL. They switched to BSD... (at least one legal issue got solved automatically :) Mvgr, Martin Henri Yandell wrote: As many know, Roller releases have b

Re: [VOTE] AJAX Toolkit Proposal - Updated (Again)

2006-01-18 Thread Martin Marinschek
Andrew, can you just shortly reply to the technical questions Martin Cooper has raised on this list? I do think he has a valid point there, and I'd like to hear what you have to say to that. Plus, please add me in as a committer. If this is to be incubated, I'd rather than not be part of it to be

Re: Incubator site status wrt a move to Anakia?

2006-01-18 Thread Davanum Srinivas
David, Looks nice. Great work! thanks. More feedback when i try out the build process. -- dims On 1/18/06, David Crossley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Responding to some issues that people have with the > layout of the current forrest-based website. > > [1] http://people.apache.org/~crossley/inc

Re: [VOTE] AJAX Toolkit Proposal - Updated (Again)

2006-01-18 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Jan 17, 2006, at 6:13 PM, Andrew Clark wrote: [1] http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/KabukiProposal To be clear: +1 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Roller release policy

2006-01-18 Thread Henri Yandell
As many know, Roller releases have been happening outside the ASF on the old site (rollerweblogger.org) with various incubating and 'not-ASF' statements added. These releases point to the non-ASF Roller website, wiki and Jira. The reason being that Roller still has non-ASF desirable dependencies in

[VOTE] Werner as juice committer

2006-01-18 Thread Davanum Srinivas
As part of reviving juice, can we please VOTE werner as a committer to enable him to continue his offline work? [1] Here's my +1. thanks, dims [1] : http://www.nabble.com/Status-of-my-upgrades-and-so-on-t945224.html -- Davanum Srinivas : http://wso2.com/blogs/ -

Mentor v Champion (WAS: Re: [VOTE] Changes to Incubator process(es))

2006-01-18 Thread J Aaron Farr
I know the vote is essentially over, but the following thought occurred to me this morning as I volunteered to support the OfBiz proposal. On 1/11/06, Davanum Srinivas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [ ] - Any new proposal should have 3 ASF Members / Officers as mentors > (without regard to affiliat

Re: Proposal for OFBiz to Join the ASF

2006-01-18 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr
Jacopo Cappellato wrote: Hi Geir (and all), my name is Jacopo Cappellato, I'm one of the developers of the OFBiz project and, as you can imagine, I'm very interested in your feedback about our request to join the ASF Incubator. About the proposal posted to the Wiki instead of to this list.

Re: Incubator site status wrt a move to Anakia?

2006-01-18 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr
This is great. I've been A->B testing with the example I put on ~geir and things look good. I think some of my hand-done pages look better but that's because a) I did them by hand and b) I ain't gonna admit I was showed up by no fancy machine! Seriously - the cwiki pages were the last bit, I

Jira Usage (was Re: (in)appropriate wiki use)

2006-01-18 Thread Gav....
- Original Message - From: "Leo Simons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | There's well over a hundred people with write access to the parts of incubator | SVN where such stuff would live. If there's not enough of those people willing to | handle the "apply patch" workload for this kind of stuff th

Re: Proposal for OFBiz to Join the ASF

2006-01-18 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr
Noel J. Bergman wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr wrote: Can we please have things go to the mail list, as that should be the 'primary institutional memory' of the incubator community. +1 But let's try to say such things to be educational, not chastising. Sorry. The wiki made me do it :) I hope

Re: Filling out an Incubation Status

2006-01-18 Thread Martin van den Bemt
The way I read them is that when a date is set, the task is completed. Mvgr, Martin Henri Yandell wrote: Dumb question. Are the completion dates on http://incubator.apache.org/projects/roller.html when the event happened, or when it was marked as complete. ie) to start ticking these things off

Re: ajax proposal?

2006-01-18 Thread Raphaël Luta
Noel J. Bergman wrote: > Raphaël Luta wrote: > >>along with [a] codebase come an established group of committers >>with an interest in keeping their current architecture or at >>least backward compatibility > > That carries a fairly large assumption, and really should be posed as a > question, no

Re: ajax proposal?

2006-01-18 Thread Raphaël Luta
Sam Ruby wrote: > Raphaël Luta wrote: >> Erik Abele wrote: >> >>> It's just the initial code, nothing more :) >> >> I don't agree with this statement. >> The code itself is indeed only the initial codebase but along with >> this codebase come an established group of committers with an >> interest i

Re: (in)appropriate wiki use

2006-01-18 Thread Leo Simons
On Wed, Jan 18, 2006 at 10:15:23AM +0100, David N. Welton wrote: > Leo Simons wrote: > > >>From an incubator point of view, one other alternative mechanism to "edit > > on wiki, e-mail to list" would be "send to list, add to SVN, submit patches > > to mailing list, commit patches to SVN, send to l

Re: Incubator site status wrt a move to Anakia?

2006-01-18 Thread Leo Simons
Dude, On Wed, Jan 18, 2006 at 06:29:52PM +1100, David Crossley wrote: > Here is the result of my experiment ... ... > Thanks to the Forrest project for the new abilities. +1. Amazing. Kudos to you and the other forrest peeps for turing complaints into feature requests and implementing the right b

Re: (in)appropriate wiki use

2006-01-18 Thread David N. Welton
Leo Simons wrote: >>From an incubator point of view, one other alternative mechanism to "edit > on wiki, e-mail to list" would be "send to list, add to SVN, submit patches > to mailing list, commit patches to SVN, send to list". This is a bit more > of a learning curve for people not yet used to w

Re: [doc] "Getting Started in the Incubator" topic

2006-01-18 Thread Leo Simons
On Tue, Jan 17, 2006 at 07:33:56PM -0800, Jean T. Anderson wrote: > I think this information should go in one of these places: > >http://incubator.apache.org/learn/ >http://incubator.apache.org/guides/ +1. I think there should also be something like a svn cp https://svn.apache.org/repo

Re: Wiki votes, was Re: Proposal for OFBiz to Join the ASF

2006-01-18 Thread Leo Simons
On Wed, Jan 18, 2006 at 02:03:14AM +0100, Erik Abele wrote: > [changed subject line though I don't intend to have a big discussion > about this topic] Grr, I just did exactly the same thing and wrote just about the same thing. My thread view must be messed up... In any case, +1 to what he said.

(in)appropriate wiki use (was:Re: Proposal for OFBiz to Join the ASF)

2006-01-18 Thread Leo Simons
On Tue, Jan 17, 2006 at 06:16:09PM -0500, Geir Magnusson Jr wrote: > Is this becoming the current de-facto process, posting to a wiki? Seems like it. > (or "@)#!)#@ wiki", as I tend to think of them...) (LSD *hugs* wikipedia...) > Can we please have things go to the mail list, as that should b

Re: Proposal for OFBiz to Join the ASF

2006-01-18 Thread David N. Welton
Geir Magnusson Jr wrote: > Is this becoming the current de-facto process, posting to a wiki? (or > "@)#!)#@ wiki", as I tend to think of them...) > > Can we please have things go to the mail list, as that should be the > 'primary institutional memory' of the incubator community. Feel free to > a