Re: [VOTE] Bloodhound to join the Incubator

2012-01-03 Thread Greg Stein
On Jan 3, 2012 2:30 AM, Ralph Goers ralph.go...@dslextreme.com wrote: On Jan 2, 2012, at 11:15 PM, Greg Stein wrote: On Jan 2, 2012 10:51 PM, Ralph Goers ralph.go...@dslextreme.com wrote: Greg, I do not care one bit how much commit activity happens at Trac. As long as there is some

Re: [VOTE] Bloodhound to join the Incubator

2012-01-03 Thread Greg Stein
minimal activity is the phrase I used. :-) On Jan 3, 2012 2:49 AM, Mark Struberg strub...@yahoo.de wrote: actually 6 commits in a month is not huge, but by far not nothing! We have projects here which have less commits per month... I wouldn't consider the Trac community dead. LieGrue,

Re: [VOTE] Bloodhound to join the Incubator

2012-01-03 Thread Ralph Goers
On Jan 3, 2012, at 12:02 AM, Greg Stein wrote: As a person wanting to see Apache Bloodhound take off... yeah, I'm making a judgement call on whether that can better occur at the ASF instead of within the current Trac community. (fwiw, some of the ideas are non-starters for Trac, so the

Re: [VOTE] Bloodhound to join the Incubator

2012-01-03 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 9:27 AM, Ralph Goers ralph.go...@dslextreme.com wrote: On Jan 3, 2012, at 12:02 AM, Greg Stein wrote: ...I'm saying that the *ASF* should avoid judging. We allow competition among projects. We accept projects with hard problems and low chances of success. We accept

Link to CLA page incorrect on Podling Website Guid page

2012-01-03 Thread Raju Bitter
Don't know if this is the right mailing list, but reading http://incubator.apache.org/guides/sites.html the section Using A Wiki To Create Documentation contains an invalid link to http://incubator.apache.org/guides/clas in the sentence ...to ensure that access to the wiki used to create

Re: Link to CLA page incorrect on Podling Website Guid page

2012-01-03 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 10:22 AM, Raju Bitter rajubit...@googlemail.com wrote: Don't know if this is the right mailing list, but reading http://incubator.apache.org/guides/sites.html the section Using A Wiki To Create Documentation contains an invalid link to

Welcome Anne Kathrine Petterøe and Dave Fisher as Incubator PMC members

2012-01-03 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi, I'm pleased to announce that Anne and Dave have been elected by the Incubator PMC to be members of that PMC. With this the Flex mentors roster is complete, thanks for volunteering! -Bertrand - To unsubscribe, e-mail:

Re: Welcome Anne Kathrine Petterøe and Dave Fisher as Incubator PMC members

2012-01-03 Thread Peter Elst
Excellent news, welcome and thanks for volunteering as mentors Anne and Dave! - Peter On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 11:07 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: Hi, I'm pleased to announce that Anne and Dave have been elected by the Incubator PMC to be members of that PMC. With

[RESULT][VOTE] DeviceMap to join the Apache incubator

2012-01-03 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: ...Let's cast your votes to accept DeviceMap as an incubating project, proposal is at http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/DeviceMapProposal ... The votes passes with binding +1s from the following people, several

Re: Welcome Anne Kathrine Petterøe and Dave Fisher as Incubator PMC members

2012-01-03 Thread Anne Kathrine Petterøe
Hi, What a great way to start the day and the new year. Thanks everyone who voted! Looking forward to mentoring Apache Flex! /Anne On 3 January 2012 11:07, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: Hi, I'm pleased to announce that Anne and Dave have been elected by the Incubator

Re: [RESULT][VOTE] DeviceMap to join the Apache incubator

2012-01-03 Thread Idel Fuschini
Hi, First of all Happy New yeasr, and sorry for my scholastic english. I'm Idel Fuschini the owner of Apache Mobile Filter ( http://www.apachemobilefilter.org or https://modules.apache.org/search.php?id=1787). AMF started in 2008, is a module written in Perl using mod_perl and the features are:

Re: [VOTE] Bloodhound to join the Incubator

2012-01-03 Thread Benson Margulies
On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 4:18 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 9:27 AM, Ralph Goers ralph.go...@dslextreme.com wrote: On Jan 3, 2012, at 12:02 AM, Greg Stein wrote: ...I'm saying that the *ASF* should avoid judging. We allow competition among

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Rave 0.6-incubating

2012-01-03 Thread sebb
On 28 December 2011 19:15, Franklin, Matthew B. mfrank...@mitre.org wrote: This is the fifth incubator release for Apache Rave, with the artifacts being versioned as 0.6-incubating. We are requesting at least one additional IPMC member vote, as we have received 2 binding IPMC +1 votes

Re: [RESULT][VOTE] DeviceMap to join the Apache incubator

2012-01-03 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi Idel, On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 12:06 PM, Idel Fuschini idel.fusch...@gmail.com wrote: ...if you need a help to your project I will be happy to contribute Thanks! The best is to wait for the devicemap-dev list to be created, and we can then discuss any plans there. I'll announce here once

Flex mailing lists have been created

2012-01-03 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi Flex podling community, Please subscribe at least to the dev list for anything related to that podling, see below. This info will soon be available at http://incubator.apache.org/flex/ -Bertrand Flex mailing lists info: You can now join the Flex developer's mailing list by sending an email

Re: [VOTE] Bloodhound to join the Incubator

2012-01-03 Thread Ethan Jucovy
On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 7:26 PM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: The Trac community revolves mostly around the plugins rather than the core. I see Bloodhound as improving the core facilities (new features and hauling in certain plugins), resulting in a better default distribution (right

Re: Welcome Anne Kathrine Petterøe and Dave Fisher as Incubator PMC members

2012-01-03 Thread Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
Welcome Anne and Dave! Cheers, Chris On Jan 3, 2012, at 2:07 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: Hi, I'm pleased to announce that Anne and Dave have been elected by the Incubator PMC to be members of that PMC. With this the Flex mentors roster is complete, thanks for volunteering!

[DISCUSS] Apache Bean Validation as a TLP

2012-01-03 Thread Mohammad Nour El-Din
Hi... It has been discussed, since a while, about the graduation of Apache Bean Validation, whether to graduate to a TLP or Subproject and whether it is time or not, [1], [2] and [3]. In the past few weeks there has been a [VOTE], [4], which formally discussed the graduation to a TLP project.

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache Bean Validation as a TLP

2012-01-03 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 4:17 PM, Mohammad Nour El-Din mn...@apache.org wrote: ... The Apache Bean Validation community sees it is time to request an IPMC [VOTE] on recommending this resolution [7] to the ASF board. Accordingly, would you please cast your vote: [X ] +1 to recommend Bean

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache Bean Validation as a TLP

2012-01-03 Thread Matt Benson
+1 Matt On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 9:17 AM, Mohammad Nour El-Din mn...@apache.org wrote: Hi...   It has been discussed, since a while, about the graduation of Apache Bean Validation, whether to graduate to a TLP or Subproject and whether it is time or not, [1], [2] and [3]. In the past few

Re: Gora Incubator Graduation Resolution

2012-01-03 Thread Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
Okey dok, I added it in r32707 now that Doug created the agenda. Thanks! Cheers, Chris On Dec 28, 2011, at 8:23 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: Hey Board@, The Incubator PMC has VOTEd to recommend graduating Apache Gora. Here's the resolution: X. Establish the Apache Gora Project

Re: [VOTE] Bloodhound to join the Incubator

2012-01-03 Thread William A. Rowe Jr.
On 1/3/2012 2:02 AM, Greg Stein wrote: On Jan 3, 2012 2:30 AM, Ralph Goers ralph.go...@dslextreme.com wrote: On Jan 2, 2012, at 11:15 PM, Greg Stein wrote: On Jan 2, 2012 10:51 PM, Ralph Goers ralph.go...@dslextreme.com wrote: Greg, I do not care one bit how much commit activity happens at

Re: [VOTE] Bloodhound to join the Incubator

2012-01-03 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 5:48 PM, William A. Rowe Jr. wr...@rowe-clan.net wrote: ... Folks, can we please find a better forum for religious This is the ASF debates to occur?  And keep discussions non-toxic here on general@incubator?... I don't perceive this thread as religious or toxic - I see a

Re: Welcome Anne Kathrine Petterøe and Dave Fisher as Incubator PMC members

2012-01-03 Thread Dave Fisher
On Jan 3, 2012, at 2:07 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: Hi, I'm pleased to announce that Anne and Dave have been elected by the Incubator PMC to be members of that PMC. Thanks! With this the Flex mentors roster is complete, thanks for volunteering! You're welcome! Regards, Dave

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache Bean Validation as a TLP

2012-01-03 Thread Mark Struberg
+1 imo we can easily just start calling the VOTE. BVAL and the resolution has been on spot several times. So I'd say we just move the last resolution text to our Wiki and do an internal review for fixing the last itches and scratches. Then we can formally call the VOTE and are done.

Re: [VOTE] Bloodhound to join the Incubator

2012-01-03 Thread Greg Stein
On Jan 3, 2012 11:48 AM, William A. Rowe Jr. wr...@rowe-clan.net wrote: ... A PMC I am on had this exact conversation with board members several months ago regarding a code base the project is dependent on that is housed outside the ASF which we were considering bringing in as a subproject.

RE: [VOTE] Release Apache Rave 0.6-incubating

2012-01-03 Thread Franklin, Matthew B.
-Original Message- From: sebb [mailto:seb...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 7:06 AM To: general@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Rave 0.6-incubating On 28 December 2011 19:15, Franklin, Matthew B. mfrank...@mitre.org wrote: This is the fifth incubator

Re: [VOTE] Bloodhound to join the Incubator

2012-01-03 Thread William A. Rowe Jr.
On 1/3/2012 10:55 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 5:48 PM, William A. Rowe Jr. wr...@rowe-clan.net wrote: ... Folks, can we please find a better forum for religious This is the ASF debates to occur? And keep discussions non-toxic here on general@incubator?... I

Q. Forks without concensus?; A. anytime / depends / never without agreement

2012-01-03 Thread William A. Rowe Jr.
On 1/3/2012 11:14 AM, Greg Stein wrote: On Jan 3, 2012 11:48 AM, William A. Rowe Jr. wr...@rowe-clan.net wrote: ... A PMC I am on had this exact conversation with board members several months ago regarding a code base the project is dependent on that is housed outside the ASF which we were

Re: Q. Forks without concensus?; A. anytime / depends / never without agreement

2012-01-03 Thread Benson Margulies
 [ ] Forks are accepted without judgement [Greg] [1]  [ ] [something more nuanced here]  [X ] Hostile forks are never acceptable [Roy] [2] I don't understand the purpose of a vote here. Roy has stated rather firmly that [2] is settled foundation policy. So, if someone wants to reopen that

Re: Q. Forks without concensus?; A. anytime / depends / never without agreement

2012-01-03 Thread William A. Rowe Jr.
On 1/3/2012 11:43 AM, Benson Margulies wrote: I don't understand the purpose of a vote here. Roy has stated rather firmly that [2] is settled foundation policy. Pointer to where that policy was established, or it didn't happen. It might have been a consensus relative to some specific incident

Re: Q. Forks without concensus?; A. anytime / depends / never without agreement

2012-01-03 Thread William A. Rowe Jr.
On 1/3/2012 11:43 AM, Benson Margulies wrote: Would some please clarify is this is *truly* a hostile fork? Wrong thread, see Subject: above. Thx. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For

Re: Forks without concensus?

2012-01-03 Thread Leo Simons
Hey hey, (Pff. I like replying in-line but this is a hard e-mail to reply to in-line so I will top post.) If I understand your policy question: will apache allow an incubating community to show up and start a project when they are forking another project? I'd say, in general, yes, probably, if

Re: Q. Forks without concensus?; A. anytime / depends / never without agreement

2012-01-03 Thread Donald Whytock
It occurs to me that the ASF, in enforcing open-source licensing, becomes a source of free legal advice to the open-source community, whether it intends to or not... 1. Contribute a body of code to ASF. 2. Is it legal for us to accept this? Better run it past legal@. 3. Use acceptance of the

Re: Q. Forks without concensus?; A. anytime / depends / never without agreement

2012-01-03 Thread Karl Wright
Any time a body of code is contributed from another source, it should go through the standard Apache procedures, including a license grant (if it's not open-source already). But this is very different from spinning off chunks of an existing incubator project. For example, ManifoldCF is currently

Re: Q. Forks without concensus?; A. anytime / depends / never without agreement

2012-01-03 Thread Greg Stein
On Jan 3, 2012 1:28 PM, Kalle Korhonen kalle.o.korho...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 9:57 AM, Leo Simons m...@leosimons.com wrote: So the generic policy is there is no generic policy, and instead there is appropriate application of judgement to specific cases. Generic policy

Re: Q. Forks without concensus?; A. anytime / depends / never without agreement

2012-01-03 Thread Sam Ruby
On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Kalle Korhonen kalle.o.korho...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 9:57 AM, Leo Simons m...@leosimons.com wrote: So the generic policy is there is no generic policy, and instead there is appropriate application of judgement to specific cases. Generic

Re: [VOTE] Bloodhound to join the Incubator

2012-01-03 Thread Leo Simons
Hey folks, I felt I had to take a look at this. Like Ralph I was very concerned when I saw Ethan's e-mail. Thanks a lot for writing it Ethan, and thanks for writing it with so much detail. I just read all the e-mail about bloodhound I could find (that I had pretty much ignored when I saw other

Re: Q. Forks without concensus?; A. anytime / depends / never without agreement

2012-01-03 Thread Doug Cutting
On 01/03/2012 07:35 AM, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote: [1] I don't see it as our place to *judge* communities. If it is a fork, or a corporate spin-out, or a move, or brand new... All Good. [2] At Apache, all contributions are voluntary. We do not accept code from copyright owners who

Re: [VOTE] Bloodhound to join the Incubator

2012-01-03 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 8:09 PM, Leo Simons m...@leosimons.com wrote: ... All in all I think bloodhound should continue on, and the incubator PMC should trust the mentors to keep things on their current track (hehe) of collaboration-where-possible, rather than turn this into an overheated

Re: Q. Forks without concensus?; A. anytime / depends / never without agreement

2012-01-03 Thread ralph.goers @dslextreme.com
On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 11:46 AM, Doug Cutting cutt...@apache.org wrote: On 01/03/2012 07:35 AM, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote: [1] I don't see it as our place to *judge* communities. If it is a fork, or a corporate spin-out, or a move, or brand new... All Good. [2] At Apache, all

Re: [VOTE] Bloodhound to join the Incubator

2012-01-03 Thread ralph.goers @dslextreme.com
On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 11:53 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 8:09 PM, Leo Simons m...@leosimons.com wrote: ... All in all I think bloodhound should continue on, and the incubator PMC should trust the mentors to keep things on their current track

Re: Q. Forks without concensus?; A. anytime / depends / never without agreement

2012-01-03 Thread Greg Stein
On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 15:13, ralph.goers @dslextreme.com ralph.go...@dslextreme.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 11:46 AM, Doug Cutting cutt...@apache.org wrote: On 01/03/2012 07:35 AM, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote: [1] I don't see it as our place to *judge* communities. If it is a fork,    

Re: Q. Forks without concensus?; A. anytime / depends / never without agreement

2012-01-03 Thread Kalle Korhonen
On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 10:33 AM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: On Jan 3, 2012 1:28 PM, Kalle Korhonen kalle.o.korho...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 9:57 AM, Leo Simons m...@leosimons.com wrote: So the generic policy is there is no generic policy, and instead there is

Re: Q. Forks without concensus?; A. anytime / depends / never without agreement

2012-01-03 Thread William A. Rowe Jr.
On 1/3/2012 12:51 PM, Sam Ruby wrote: On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Kalle Korhonen kalle.o.korho...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 9:57 AM, Leo Simons m...@leosimons.com wrote: So the generic policy is there is no generic policy, and instead there is appropriate application of