Re: TL;DR

2012-02-04 Thread ant elder
On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 11:17 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: A number of people are asking for the incubator PMC to take a deep breath and allow room to digest and contemplate the various issues that have led to a bumper crop of email. These are complex questions, and even if

Re: Anyone care to talk to ComDev? (was Re: Time to vote the chair?)

2012-02-04 Thread Ross Gardler
Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. On Feb 4, 2012 3:41 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov wrote: Hi Ross, On Feb 3, 2012, at 7:27 PM, Ross Gardler wrote: On 4 February 2012 02:01, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov

Reviewing a Release

2012-02-04 Thread Mark Struberg
Hi folks! I've quickly collected a page of things to check before casting your vote for a staged release. https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/DeltaSpike/Reviewing+a+Release This was done from the back of my head, thus I've maybe missed some parts. Just wondered if we don't have such a

Re: Evolution instead of a revolution (Was: Time to vote the chair?)

2012-02-04 Thread Franklin, Matthew B.
On 2/4/12 12:28 AM, William A. Rowe Jr. wr...@rowe-clan.net wrote: On 2/3/2012 9:01 PM, Franklin, Matthew B. wrote: Personally, I feel that walking in the door as a full PMC with authority could be just as problematic in the long run as not granting it once the community has demonstrated

Re: TL;DR

2012-02-04 Thread Franklin, Matthew B.
On 2/4/12 1:11 AM, Scott Wilson scott.bradley.wil...@gmail.com wrote: On 3 Feb 2012, at 23:17, Benson Margulies wrote: A number of people are asking for the incubator PMC to take a deep breath and allow room to digest and contemplate the various issues that have led to a bumper crop of

Re: Reviewing a Release

2012-02-04 Thread sebb
On 4 February 2012 11:55, Mark Struberg strub...@yahoo.de wrote: Hi folks! I've quickly collected a page of things to check before casting your vote for a staged release. https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/DeltaSpike/Reviewing+a+Release This was done from the back of my head,

Re: Evolution instead of a revolution (Was: Time to vote the chair?)

2012-02-04 Thread Benson Margulies
I've added http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/AlternativeIncubatorAnalysis to the wiki, offering a more or less concrete alternative that is more evolutionary and less revolutionary. Get out your darts, and feel free to edit. - To

Re: [DISCUSS] Syncope to Join the Apache Incubator

2012-02-04 Thread Colm O hEigeartaigh
Great thanks! Could you add me to the initial committer list as well? Colm. 2012/2/3 Francesco Chicchiriccò ilgro...@apache.org: Hi Colm, this sounds great: I've just added your details to Syncope proposal [1]: please check if everything is correct. Regards.

Re: Anyone care to talk to ComDev? (was Re: Time to vote the chair?)

2012-02-04 Thread Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
Hi Ross, On Feb 4, 2012, at 2:36 AM, Ross Gardler wrote: Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. On Feb 4, 2012 3:41 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov wrote: [...snip...] Who fixes it? The project's PMC. And if not, the project's VP. And

Re: Evolution instead of a revolution (Was: Time to vote the chair?)

2012-02-04 Thread Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
Benson, I read your proposal. This statement: This leads to my first major qualm about Chris' proposal: everything good, useful, or necessary about the existing PMC is dumped upon ComDev. There is, in my mind, some circularity to the argument here. The incubator is a cesspit, so we should

Re: Evolution instead of a revolution (Was: Time to vote the chair?)

2012-02-04 Thread Ralph Goers
I am +1 to what your proposal does. I am not so fond of the wording of it. I've tried to make changes to eliminate pointing fingers but just couldn't with the last section. I would suggest you take another stab at editing it to: a) make this proposal a general document, not just from you, and

Re: Evolution instead of a revolution (Was: Time to vote the chair?)

2012-02-04 Thread Benson Margulies
Chris, I read your proposal, and I read as lot of other email, and it appears that the results in my head were a bit of a salad. After re-reading your proposal, I will make some mods in a moment and remove that remark in particular. --benson On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 11:35 AM, Ralph Goers

Re: Evolution instead of a revolution (Was: Time to vote the chair?)

2012-02-04 Thread Benson Margulies
I see that Ralph already removed the worst of my excesses, and I fixed a few others. Are we good? I'm really not in this to win a fight ( -- or an election --) but rather to help the community reach a consensus by stating a (hopefully) clear alternative. On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 11:47 AM, Benson

Re: Evolution instead of a revolution (Was: Time to vote the chair?)

2012-02-04 Thread Ralph Goers
On Feb 4, 2012, at 8:51 AM, Benson Margulies wrote: I see that Ralph already removed the worst of my excesses, and I fixed a few others. Are we good? I'm really not in this to win a fight ( -- or an election --) but rather to help the community reach a consensus by stating a (hopefully)

Re: Evolution instead of a revolution (Was: Time to vote the chair?)

2012-02-04 Thread Benson Margulies
Ralph, I'm inclined to hair up the chart to distinguish 'podlings' from 'probationary projects'. Otherwise, fine. I'll do that. On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 11:55 AM, Ralph Goers ralph.go...@dslextreme.com wrote: On Feb 4, 2012, at 8:51 AM, Benson Margulies wrote: I see that Ralph already removed

Re: Anyone care to talk to ComDev? (was Re: Time to vote the chair?)

2012-02-04 Thread Ross Gardler
Chris, seriously, take a break. You are not hearing what I'm trying to say and therefore not answering my concerns, directly at least. For an example see where you use the word failure in this reply - that word has no bearing on anything I have said, yet you directly attribute it to me. I've

Re: Anyone care to talk to ComDev? (was Re: Time to vote the chair?)

2012-02-04 Thread Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
Hey Ross, On Feb 4, 2012, at 9:03 AM, Ross Gardler wrote: Chris, seriously, take a break. You are not hearing what I'm trying to say and therefore not answering my concerns, directly at least. I could say the same thing to you. :) We both care about this stuff, which is why we keep

Re: TL;DR

2012-02-04 Thread Dave Fisher
On Feb 3, 2012, at 10:11 PM, Scott Wilson wrote: On 3 Feb 2012, at 23:17, Benson Margulies wrote: A number of people are asking for the incubator PMC to take a deep breath and allow room to digest and contemplate the various issues that have led to a bumper crop of email. These are complex

Re: TL;DR

2012-02-04 Thread Benson Margulies
On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 12:55 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: On Feb 3, 2012, at 10:11 PM, Scott Wilson wrote: On 3 Feb 2012, at 23:17, Benson Margulies wrote: A number of people are asking for the incubator PMC to take a deep breath and allow room to digest and contemplate the

Re: Evolution instead of a revolution (Was: Time to vote the chair?)

2012-02-04 Thread Benson Margulies
On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 1:36 PM, Ralph Goers ralph.go...@dslextreme.com wrote: On Feb 4, 2012, at 8:59 AM, Benson Margulies wrote: Ralph, I'm inclined to hair up the chart to distinguish 'podlings' from 'probationary projects'. Otherwise, fine. I'll do that. I see from your latest updates

Re: TL;DR

2012-02-04 Thread Dave Fisher
On Feb 4, 2012, at 10:04 AM, Benson Margulies wrote: On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 12:55 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: On Feb 3, 2012, at 10:11 PM, Scott Wilson wrote: On 3 Feb 2012, at 23:17, Benson Margulies wrote: A number of people are asking for the incubator PMC to take a

too much traffic here

2012-02-04 Thread Doug Cutting
On 02/04/2012 09:15 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: We both care about this stuff, which is why we keep replying. I'm happy to continue to reply, so long as you are when I feel it's warranted. I've ignored a few of them that I didn't have the energy to, but that's the point of a mailing

Re: Evolution instead of a revolution (Was: Time to vote the chair?)

2012-02-04 Thread William A. Rowe Jr.
On 2/4/2012 2:07 PM, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote: [offlist] (sorry, trying to respond individually to keep down the noise, stupid trackpad+palm of my thumb sometimes lets notes fly prematurely. My bad.) - To unsubscribe,

Re: TL;DR

2012-02-04 Thread William A. Rowe Jr.
On 2/4/2012 12:45 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: If it is different from Chris's then I think Bill should write his proposal. Dave, mine is not difference in process, substance or requirements. Chris and 7 board members are now familiar with the delta, which is really not up for incubator to choose.

Re: TL;DR

2012-02-04 Thread William A. Rowe Jr.
On 2/4/2012 3:05 AM, ant elder wrote: I also agree with a comment from Sam on another thread about wouldn't it be possible to get to just a single chair candidate. That doesn't seem to be happening yet so as there are all these plans going on to get rid of the Incubator altogether can't we

Re: [VOTE] Release Giraph 0.1-incubator (RC0)

2012-02-04 Thread Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
Hi Jakob, I have to VOTE -1 on this release. The checksums check out, but your signature is not present in the KEYS file, per below. If you add it to the KEYS file, I'd be happy to change my VOTE to a +1 should it pass verification: [chipotle:~/tmp/giraph-0.1.0] mattmann% curl -O

Re: TL;DR

2012-02-04 Thread Dave Fisher
On Feb 4, 2012, at 12:15 PM, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote: On 2/4/2012 12:45 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: If it is different from Chris's then I think Bill should write his proposal. Dave, mine is not difference in process, substance or requirements. Do you advocate the 3 Apache Members per

Re: Reviewing a Release

2012-02-04 Thread David Crossley
Mark Struberg wrote: Hi folks! I've quickly collected a page of things to check before casting your vote for a staged release. https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/DeltaSpike/Reviewing+a+Release This was done from the back of my head, thus I've maybe missed some parts. Just

Re: Reviewing a Release

2012-02-04 Thread Dave Fisher
On Feb 4, 2012, at 2:48 PM, David Crossley wrote: Mark Struberg wrote: Hi folks! I've quickly collected a page of things to check before casting your vote for a staged release. https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/DeltaSpike/Reviewing+a+Release This was done from the back of

Re: [VOTE] Release Giraph 0.1-incubator (RC0)

2012-02-04 Thread Jakob Homan
Sorry, I was under the impression that the KEY file was automatically updated from http://people.apache.org/keys/group/giraph.asc. I've updated it. Kindly check again. Thanks, Jakob On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 12:55 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov wrote: Hi Jakob, I

Re: [VOTE] Release Giraph 0.1-incubator (RC0)

2012-02-04 Thread Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
Hi Jakob, Awesome! Sigs pass now! [chipotle:~/tmp/giraph-0.1.0] mattmann% curl -O http://www.apache.org/dist/incubator/giraph/KEYS % Total% Received % Xferd Average Speed TimeTime Time Current Dload Upload Total SpentLeft Speed 100

Re: TL;DR

2012-02-04 Thread Greg Reddin
Sent from my mobile device. On Feb 4, 2012, at 12:45 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: If I am correct Apache Flex has 2. Fwiw we have 3: you, Bertrand, and myself. Greg - To unsubscribe, e-mail:

Re: [VOTE] Release Giraph 0.1-incubator (RC0)

2012-02-04 Thread Chris Douglas
+1 Checksum and signature match. Ran RAT, checked LICENSE/NOTICE/DISCLAIMER; all good. Unit tests passed. -C On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 4:35 PM, Jakob Homan jgho...@gmail.com wrote: Howdy- The Giraph project is excited to ask incubator for a vote on our first release. The vote passed within

Re: Anyone care to talk to ComDev? (was Re: Time to vote the chair?)

2012-02-04 Thread Luciano Resende
On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 8:01 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov wrote: Hi Ross, On Feb 4, 2012, at 2:36 AM, Ross Gardler wrote: Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. On Feb 4, 2012 3:41 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J)