Re: Welcome Craig McClanahan in his continued membership in the IPMC

2012-11-28 Thread Henry Saputra
Yay! Welcome back Craig! =) - Henry On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 5:44 AM, Benson Margulies wrote: > Craig is returning to active duty as a mentor. He never actually quite > managed to leave this PMC, but anyhow we're happy to see him around. > > --

Re: Retirement decision making

2012-11-28 Thread Greg Reddin
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Alan Cabrera wrote: > If we have shepherds to monitor the all too human mentors, should we not > also have reapers, to monitor TLPs? I'm all for being on the optimistic > side and graduate small projects but, sometimes, I feel it's done because > we don't wish to

Permission on Jira log4j2

2012-11-28 Thread Christian Grobmeier
Hi Ralph, could you make Gary and me Admins of the log4j2 Jira project? I think it would make sense cheers Christian -- http://www.grobmeier.de https://www.timeandbill.de - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.

Re: Retirement decision making

2012-11-28 Thread Greg Reddin
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 3:48 PM, Benson Margulies wrote: > TLPs do, sometimes, retire. Some of them have retired precisely > because all the contributors disappeared due to seismic events at > work. The board has been observed to keep a TLP alive really to the > last possible moment -- the point w

Re: Retirement decision making

2012-11-28 Thread Alan Cabrera
On Nov 28, 2012, at 1:48 PM, Benson Margulies wrote: > TLPs do, sometimes, retire. Some of them have retired precisely > because all the contributors disappeared due to seismic events at > work. The board has been observed to keep a TLP alive really to the > last possible moment -- the point wher

Re: Retirement decision making

2012-11-28 Thread Benson Margulies
TLPs do, sometimes, retire. Some of them have retired precisely because all the contributors disappeared due to seismic events at work. The board has been observed to keep a TLP alive really to the last possible moment -- the point where there were less than three people to vote on a release. This

Re: Retirement decision making

2012-11-28 Thread Alan Cabrera
On Nov 28, 2012, at 12:56 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 9:46 PM, Alan Cabrera wrote: >> ...I'm wondering if it makes sense to do away with the diversity and vibrant >> dictum and merely state that at least one person is reasonably active and >> that >> all the PMC mem

Re: Retirement decision making

2012-11-28 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 9:46 PM, Alan Cabrera wrote: > ...I'm wondering if it makes sense to do away with the diversity and vibrant > dictum and merely state that at least one person is reasonably active and that > all the PMC members are trustworthy I wouldn't want to graduate a project that

Re: Retirement decision making

2012-11-28 Thread Ross Gardler
+1 For me mentoring ends when the PPMC is able to demonstrate that it can work in a way that will build diversity, not necessarily when diversity is achieved. Ross Sent from my tablet On Nov 28, 2012 8:47 PM, "Alan Cabrera" wrote: > I've been giving this some thought and I've worked hard at ke

Re: Retirement decision making

2012-11-28 Thread Alan Cabrera
I've been giving this some thought and I've worked hard at keeping it short and sweet. So finer points are left out but I hope they are obvious. What does ASF's Imprimatur mean? Does it mean that project is diverse and vibrant? No. Does it mean that the project's committers and PMC members

Re: Retirement decision making

2012-11-28 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 3:41 PM, ant elder wrote: > On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 2:32 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz > wrote: > >> On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 3:24 PM, ant elder wrote: >> > ...Slow poddlings don't use much ASF resource so aren't a burden... >> >> I disagree: podlings do use mentor's energy - gra

Re: What constitute a successful project?

2012-11-28 Thread Ariel Rabkin
Hi all. I've been following this discussion for a while, collecting my thoughts. I think I've actually come around to Eric Y's feeling here: the project is closer to graduation than to retirement. Chukwa, as a community, has a few distinctive features. The system is specialized big-data infrastru

Re: Retirement decision making

2012-11-28 Thread Benson Margulies
The question of a time limit is like other questions we deal with: we don't want to set a hard limit, but the idea of incubation going along for years and years is not consistent with the vision of what the incubator is. Sam was at pains to present this dilemma, not to ask for some kind of hard lim

Re: Retirement decision making

2012-11-28 Thread ant elder
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 2:32 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 3:24 PM, ant elder wrote: > > ...Slow poddlings don't use much ASF resource so aren't a burden... > > I disagree: podlings do use mentor's energy - graduating or retiring > them is a way to free up mentors for

Re: Retirement decision making

2012-11-28 Thread Ross Gardler
On 28 November 2012 14:32, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 3:24 PM, ant elder wrote: > > ...Slow poddlings don't use much ASF resource so aren't a burden... > > I disagree: podlings do use mentor's energy - graduating or retiring > them is a way to free up mentors for other i

Re: Retirement decision making

2012-11-28 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 3:24 PM, ant elder wrote: > ...Slow poddlings don't use much ASF resource so aren't a burden... I disagree: podlings do use mentor's energy - graduating or retiring them is a way to free up mentors for other incoming podlings. -Bertrand --

Re: Retirement decision making

2012-11-28 Thread ant elder
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 1:42 PM, Benson Margulies wrote: > I have only one point of discomfort with Ross' writing here. > > Ross's position, in this and other messages, seems to me to be that it > a podling can persist indefinitely, so long as (a) it has involved > mentors, and (b) there's no ongo

Re: Retirement decision making

2012-11-28 Thread Ross Gardler
On 28 November 2012 13:42, Benson Margulies wrote: > I have only one point of discomfort with Ross' writing here. > > Ross's position, in this and other messages, seems to me to be that it > a podling can persist indefinitely, so long as (a) it has involved > mentors, and (b) there's no ongoing v

Re: Retirement decision making

2012-11-28 Thread Tim Williams
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 8:42 AM, Benson Margulies wrote: > 2: While I appreciate that mentors are not entirely fungible, I tend > to think in terms of a limited pool of volunteer effort, so indefinite > incubation worries me. It's their decision to volunteer their efforts in that way so I don't

Re: How to grow podling communities

2012-11-28 Thread Alexei Fedotov
Let me note, that one can use Apache software (Openmeetings Incubating) to run video conferences simply by using the following URL http://demo.dataved.ru/public/?firstname=Ross&lastname=Gardler -- With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями, Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов, http://dataved.ru/ +7

[DISCUSS] Retire Chukwa from incubation

2012-11-28 Thread Benson Margulies
I'm sending this message a placeholder to move our process from a [VOTE] to a [DISCUSS]. However, I'd encourage people to read Ross' thoughts on the subject of retirement decision-making before contributing here. We don't have to repost all the thinking from the [VOTE] thread; we do have to reach a

Re: [VOTE] Retire Chukwa from incubation

2012-11-28 Thread Benson Margulies
_Please Consider This Vote Thread Closed_ As chair, I feel confident that a [VOTE] was not the right step to take at this time. Ongoing _discussion_ is entirely on point. I do not think that it is appropriate to tally this thread and declare a result. I am going to reply to this thread changing th

Re: [VOTE] Retire Chukwa from incubation

2012-11-28 Thread Alexei Fedotov
Let me rephrase the question. Could the actual reason behind Chukwa retirement be related to the fact, that there exist Flume and Kafka which gives users same opportunites to manage distributed systems? I better understand this before trying to spread the word about joinging Chukwa community. If t

Re: Retirement decision making

2012-11-28 Thread Benson Margulies
I have only one point of discomfort with Ross' writing here. Ross's position, in this and other messages, seems to me to be that it a podling can persist indefinitely, so long as (a) it has involved mentors, and (b) there's no ongoing violation of Foundation policy. I have two reasons to wonder a

Re: Retirement decision making

2012-11-28 Thread Benson Margulies
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 8:32 AM, Benson Margulies wrote: > The current vote thread for retirement of Chukwa, coupled with some of > the other discussion threads, raises some questions that need to be > resolved. > > How do we make retirement decisions? > > http://incubator.apache.org/guides/retire