Re: A smaller IPMC

2019-03-07 Thread Furkan KAMACI
Hi All, +1 for #4 I think that we should focus on what is the underlying reason. I suggest starting a new thread to point for such purpose. We need to address the problem for both newcomers and long-standing members. For example, I personally think that it is not fluid at some points how

Re: [Result][VOTE] Accept Apache TVM into the incubator

2019-03-07 Thread Furkan KAMACI
Congratulations! On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 9:55 PM Henry Saputra wrote: > Congrats to TVM community. Let's get to work > > - Henry > > On Wed, Mar 6, 2019 at 5:10 PM Tianqi Chen > wrote: > > > Thank you, everyone. > > I will follow up by cross-posting in the TVM community as well as give > > a

Re: A smaller IPMC

2019-03-07 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, > I think this thread misses the point of the original observation. Several people has said the issue is that the IPMC is too big and you yourself said how IPMC members join was an issue. This email was trying to address that. Your response means I guess that you changed your mind? > What

Re: A smaller IPMC

2019-03-07 Thread Davor Bonaci
As framed herein, #4 for sure. (But, that doesn't necessarily exclude support for various ideas that rework how IPMC operates, and where reducing the size may be a small part of something larger and intentional.) On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 9:13 PM Ross Gardler wrote: > I think this thread misses

Re: A smaller IPMC

2019-03-07 Thread Ross Gardler
I think this thread misses the point of the original observation. Firstly, I've not seen anyone suggest that removing inactive IPMC members will make any difference. What I've seen is a suggestion that active IPMC members on general@ should be expected to be on the private list. While there

Re: [DISCUSS] Responsibilities and Improvements (was: Re: Whimsy general@ subs check (was: .... introduce "[DISCUSS]" threads for podling ... release candidates))

2019-03-07 Thread Ross Gardler
Projects are free to set their own bylaws. As long as the community as a whole agree to removal of inactive members then they can do that. Though merit does not and should not expire. It is my opinion, and the opinion of many others, that keeping busy work to a minimum is important to the

[ANNOUNCE] Apache Pinot (incubating) 0.1.0 released

2019-03-07 Thread Seunghyun Lee
Hello community, We are pleased to announce that Apache Pinot (incubating) 0.1.0 is released! Apache Pinot (incubating) is a distributed columnar storage engine that can ingest data in realtime and serve analytical queries at low latency. The release can be downloaded at:

Re: A smaller IPMC

2019-03-07 Thread Kenneth Knowles
+1 for #4 noop, at least until there's evidence of a problem. Kenn On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 6:27 PM Woonsan Ko wrote: > On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 6:33 PM Justin Mclean > wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > It’s been suggested that the IPMC is too large, what do other IPMC > members think might be a way to

Re: A smaller IPMC

2019-03-07 Thread Ted Dunning
Woonsan I think that there may be some cross-talk between discussions. This latest discussion was about the Ipmc ,not about the podling PMCs. On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 6:27 PM Woonsan Ko wrote: > On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 6:33 PM Justin Mclean > wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > It’s been suggested that

Re: A smaller IPMC

2019-03-07 Thread Woonsan Ko
On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 6:33 PM Justin Mclean wrote: > > Hi, > > It’s been suggested that the IPMC is too large, what do other IPMC members > think might be a way to address this? > > Please discuss and indicate +1 what you would think would help, you can vote > for more than one. > > Some

Re: A smaller IPMC

2019-03-07 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, > Of course, we could consider to send mail to the IPMC members, who haven't > subscribed the private ml, and ask them to do so. That has already done several months ago - a few decided to set down and a few decided to sign up, but not much changed. Thanks, Justin

Re: A smaller IPMC

2019-03-07 Thread ???? Sheng Wu
+1 for #4 From I known, member of Incubator PMC is either already Apache Member or People already are/were active and helpful for other incubator project. Even they are not active today, removing them from IPMC could have negative effects when they want to be back in some day. Of course, we

Re: A smaller IPMC

2019-03-07 Thread Kevin A. McGrail
I am not aware of the problem we are trying to fix. I don't even know if I am a mentor not subscribed to private@. Without knowing what we are trying to solve, it is hard to weigh in on fixes. So my ask is what is the issue? On Thu, Mar 7, 2019, 19:25 Liang Chen Hi > > One more suggestion:

Re: A smaller IPMC

2019-03-07 Thread Liang Chen
Hi One more suggestion: How about maintaining one table, and ask IPMC to freely provide info by them-self which part they are mentoring or will be going to mentor as volunteer. For example myself : Helping new project (DataSketches) to prepare incubator proposal. and participate in some vote for

Re: A smaller IPMC

2019-03-07 Thread Craig Russell
+1 for #4 I think IPMC members not subscribed to the private list is only an issue for mentors. So at the risk of adding "yet another rule", I'd vote for #4 and look into *requiring* mentors to subscribe to the incubator private list and their mentee podlings' private lists. Craig > On Mar

Re: A smaller IPMC

2019-03-07 Thread Dave Fisher
Hi - I lean heavily towards #4. > On Mar 7, 2019, at 3:33 PM, Justin Mclean wrote: > > Hi, > > It’s been suggested that the IPMC is too large, what do other IPMC members > think might be a way to address this? > > Please discuss and indicate +1 what you would think would help, you can vote

Re: A smaller IPMC

2019-03-07 Thread Ted Dunning
I don't think that the number of inactive IPMC members is a factor in anything. They are, by definition, inactive. So I would vote for the no-op action (#4, I think). On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 3:39 PM Roman Shaposhnik wrote: > On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 3:33 PM Justin Mclean > wrote: > > > > Hi, >

Re: A smaller IPMC

2019-03-07 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 3:33 PM Justin Mclean wrote: > > Hi, > > It’s been suggested that the IPMC is too large, what do other IPMC members > think might be a way to address this? Personally, I believe that "IPMC is too large" argument is only applicable to how quickly/easily consensus can be

A smaller IPMC

2019-03-07 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, It’s been suggested that the IPMC is too large, what do other IPMC members think might be a way to address this? Please discuss and indicate +1 what you would think would help, you can vote for more than one. Some suggestions: 1. Ask all inactive IPMC if they want to continue being on the

Re: March Board report

2019-03-07 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, > not sure if you want us to edit typos etc. directly or whether you want > them listed here? Feel free to edit on the wiki. Thanks, Justin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional

Re: March Board report

2019-03-07 Thread Lars Francke
Hi Justin, not sure if you want us to edit typos etc. directly or whether you want them listed here? Cheers, Lars On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 11:06 PM Justin Mclean wrote: > Hi, > > While I'm yet to fill in some of the mechanical items (releases and the > like) some feedback on the report would be

Mentor sign off on reports due Tuesday March 12

2019-03-07 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, A few days to go but currently we are missing signoff on these reports: - Crail - Druid - Marvin-AI - Myriad - OpenWhisk - Pinot - Pony Mail - Singa - Tamaya Congratulation to Omid, Tephra and Training for having all mentors sign off the report. Four codlings failed to report and will be

Re: [ANNOUNCE] Apache Dubbo(incubating) 2.6.6 has been released

2019-03-07 Thread sebb
On Thu, 7 Mar 2019 at 15:54, Minxuan Zhuang wrote: > > Hello Incubator Community, > > The Apache Dubbo(incubating) team is pleased to announce that the > 2.6.6 has just been released. > What is the project about? Why should I be interested in it? [rhetorical questions] Announce emails are sent

March Board report

2019-03-07 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, While I'm yet to fill in some of the mechanical items (releases and the like) some feedback on the report would be appreciated. [1] Just keep in mind that it covers what happened in February and doesn’t need to include the most recent events as those go in the next report. Thanks, Justin

Re: [DISCUSS] introduce "[DISCUSS]" threads for podling non-ASF release candidates

2019-03-07 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, > Yes, we should start recommending your approach. I think the IPMC need to decide as a whole on that first. Perhaps call a vote? > I am actually for this as normal course and instituting the “pTLP” as the new > normal as it is actually makes the PPMC more like a TLP from the start. And

[jira] [Updated] (INCUBATOR-231) Cleanup Git-generated Incubator website

2019-03-07 Thread David Fisher (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-231?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:all-tabpanel ] David Fisher updated INCUBATOR-231: --- Attachment: gitbox.svn.diff.txt gitbox.clutch.data.txt > Cleanup

[jira] [Commented] (INCUBATOR-231) Cleanup Git-generated Incubator website

2019-03-07 Thread David Fisher (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-231?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel=16787155#comment-16787155 ] David Fisher commented on INCUBATOR-231: I have an svn update for clutch.py and

[DISCUSS] Include Incubator as part of Community Track at Apachecon NA?

2019-03-07 Thread Sharan Foga
Hi All I’m helping to manage the Community track for ApacheCon NA in Las Vegas http://www.apachecon.com/acna19/index.html and would like to know what people think about including Incubator as part of the Community track. I know that some incubating projects might be included as part of the

[RESULT] [VOTE] Release Apache Pinot (incubating) 0.1.0 RC0

2019-03-07 Thread Seunghyun Lee
Thank you for everyone who participated to the vote. The voting is now closed and it has passed with 3 +1 (binding), and no 0 or -1 votes. Binding: +1 Felix Cheung +1 Mohammad Asif Siddiqui +1 Olivier Lamy Voting thread:

Re: [Result][VOTE] Accept Apache TVM into the incubator

2019-03-07 Thread Henry Saputra
Congrats to TVM community. Let's get to work - Henry On Wed, Mar 6, 2019 at 5:10 PM Tianqi Chen wrote: > Thank you, everyone. > I will follow up by cross-posting in the TVM community as well as give > a public roadmap regarding next steps together with the help from our > mentors. I am

Re: [DISCUSS] introduce "[DISCUSS]" threads for podling non-ASF release candidates

2019-03-07 Thread Dave Fisher
Hi Myrle, Yes, we should start recommending your approach. I am actually for this as normal course and instituting the “pTLP” as the new normal as it is actually makes the PPMC more like a TLP from the start. Given our current interpretation of rules that An Official Apache Release requires 3

[ANNOUNCE] Apache Dubbo(incubating) 2.6.6 has been released

2019-03-07 Thread Minxuan Zhuang
Hello Incubator Community, The Apache Dubbo(incubating) team is pleased to announce that the 2.6.6 has just been released. Both the source release[1] and the maven binary release[2] are available now, you can also find the detailed release notes in here[3]. If you have any usage questions, or

Re: [VOTE]: Release Apache Dubbo (Incubating) 2.6.6 [RC2]

2019-03-07 Thread Minxuan Zhuang
Hi community, 72 hours has passed, the vote has passed with 3 +1 binding votes and no -1 binding vote. +1 binding: * Mohammad Asif Siddiqui * Mark Thomas * Sheng Wu I will proceed to publish the artifacts. Thanks for everyone who voted! On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 8:18 PM 吴晟 Sheng Wu wrote: > Hi

Re: [VOTE]: Release Apache Dubbo (Incubating) 2.6.6 [RC2]

2019-03-07 Thread 吴晟 Sheng Wu
Hi Strange thing. I noticed my +1 binding mail didn't arrive the ML, but I do send. Anyway, here is My +1 binding - asc checked - sha512 checked - incubating in name - maven compile passed - notice and license exist -- Sheng Wu Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin

Re: Differences in voting rules between Apache Maturity Model and Incubator Default Project Guidelines

2019-03-07 Thread Greg Stein
On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 5:30 AM Christofer Dutz wrote: >... > Not quite sure which rules should be applied. > The Incubator rules, clearly. The "maturity model" is simply a web page produced by ComDev. It has zero application to the Incubator, or to the Foundation. Regards, -g

Differences in voting rules between Apache Maturity Model and Incubator Default Project Guidelines

2019-03-07 Thread Christofer Dutz
Hi all, we’re currently working on some pre-graduation work and stumbled over something: In the Apache Maturity Model [1] is says that: CS40 - In Apache projects, vetoes are only valid for code commits and are justified by a technical explanation, as per the Apache voting rules defined in

Re: [VOTE]: Release Apache Dubbo (Incubating) 2.6.6 [RC2]

2019-03-07 Thread ???? Sheng Wu
Hi Justin I have read the discussion. Make sense to me. Thanks. Sheng Wu Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin From Wu Sheng 's phone. -- Original -- From: Justin Mclean Date: Thu,Mar 7,2019 7:00 PM To: general Subject: Re: [VOTE]: Release Apache

Re: [VOTE]: Release Apache Dubbo (Incubating) 2.6.6 [RC2]

2019-03-07 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, > Could you clear why don't you include the whole netty's NOTICE file? > Do I miss something? Only parts of the NOTICE file that are relevant need to be included, some projects find analysis of that difficult and include the whole file to be on the safe side, some with only small parts of

Re: [VOTE]: Release Apache Dubbo (Incubating) 2.6.6 [RC2]

2019-03-07 Thread Huxing Zhang
Hi, On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 5:09 PM 吴晟 Sheng Wu wrote: > > Hi > > > From my understanding, there is a possible issue in your source release and > bin. > > > I found a very simple NOTICE I think keeping a NOTICE simple is not an issue. In the ASF documentation[1], it says: It is important to

Re: [DISCUSS] Responsibilities and Improvements (was: Re: Whimsy general@ subs check

2019-03-07 Thread Myrle Krantz
On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 11:07 AM Bertrand Delacretaz < bdelacre...@codeconsult.ch> wrote: > a) Asking PMC members if they want to step down from the PMC if they > seem to be inactive for a long time > > b) Forcibly removing PMC members that the PMC considers inactive > > IMO a) is fine if a PMC

Re: [VOTE]: Release Apache Dubbo (Incubating) 2.6.6 [RC2]

2019-03-07 Thread ???? Sheng Wu
Hi Thanks for clear that, you have discussed this before. My +1 binding - asc checked - sha512 checked - incubating in name - maven compile passed - notice and license exist Sheng Wu Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin From Wu Sheng 's phone. -- Original

Re: [DISCUSS] Responsibilities and Improvements (was: Re: Whimsy general@ subs check

2019-03-07 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi, On Wed, Mar 6, 2019 at 11:41 PM Ted Dunning wrote: > ...inactive PMC members are not a problem > (Apache culture is heavily designed to make this work) and they could be an > asset in the future. So removing the inactive members is actually a slight > negative to the project... I think it's

Re: [VOTE]: Release Apache Dubbo (Incubating) 2.6.6 [RC2]

2019-03-07 Thread Minxuan Zhuang
Hi, there is a discuss about the NOTICE file here: https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/9c26cb1750bc72c5cc3fd6ff1620721f4160ec20250c9328fb102e11@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E , I think it's fine not to include the whole netty NOTICE file. On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 5:09 PM 吴晟 Sheng Wu wrote: > Hi

Re: [VOTE]: Release Apache Dubbo (Incubating) 2.6.6 [RC2]

2019-03-07 Thread 吴晟 Sheng Wu
Hi From my understanding, there is a possible issue in your source release and bin. I found a very simple NOTICE -- Apache Dubbo (incubating) Copyright 2018-2019 The Apache Software Foundation This product includes software developed at The Apache Software