It would be nice if everybody would started wearing their Apache hats and act
as individuals that are interested in joining an exciting new project in the
incubator. I would prefer it if everybody would assume good intentions here.
We're all collaborating out in the open as a community, so
Apache is community over code, but here is more like code over community.
As a community we should be able to tolerate the conflicts of interest.
Once the project is incubated in Apache, the project belongs to Apache
and direction and future of the project should be decided by the
community, not
A true open source contributor does not have a CEO, and takes the
personal judgements not what CEO or someone asked you to do.
Deepal
I was actually looking forward to contributing for this project where ever
possible but I think people have misunderstood our intentions. As requested
by my
If a podling steadfastly refused to add any other committers, then I think its
mentors would try to explain why that's a bad thing, and if that behaviour
continued, then the incubator would vote against graduating it.
On 2013-09-25, at 2:12 AM, Deepal jayasinghe deep...@gmail.com wrote:
That's a really nice world Marcel. I'd love to believe that again. However
people will still have ill intentions even here at Apache. Just because we
say all these good things does not mean everyone feels the same way and
economics does rear it's ugly face.
Just look and see the control with
Stop talking and start contributing.
Show your commitment by contributing.
Show the present community who has worked on it for 2 years that you
understand their software and care enough to spend the time applying it.
This way when if your CEO says get out, you'll be like GTFO I value and I
On Sep 25, 2013, at 12:39 AM, Joseph Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote:
All things
considered, would it be better if Sanjiva and colleagues
ASKED to be included in the proposal instead of just adding
themselves in an ad hoc fashion?
Which is exactly what they did. They expressed an
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 7:24 PM, Sanjiva Weerawarana sanj...@wso2.comwrote:
SNIP ...
Time to get past this and get the project going!
If we could have gotten here without the diversion, then the vote would not
have been derailed as it was.
I will not offer to mentor
nor will WSO2 commit
Thanks Sanjiva. I'm glad we we able to get things sorted out. And, thanks
to everybody who gave us feedback and +1 votes.
Since Usergrid is in need, I'd like to volunteer to be the champion.
Since this is a change to the proposal I think we should edit the proposal
and then I will nominate as
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 11:41 PM, Dave snoopd...@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks Sanjiva. I'm glad we we able to get things sorted out. And, thanks
to everybody who gave us feedback and +1 votes.
Since Usergrid is in need, I'd like to volunteer to be the champion.
I'm good with that.
Since this
No. A new vote is required.
On Sep 25, 2013, at 1:41 PM, Dave snoopd...@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks Sanjiva. I'm glad we we able to get things sorted out. And, thanks
to everybody who gave us feedback and +1 votes.
Since Usergrid is in need, I'd like to volunteer to be the champion.
Since
Since Usergrid is in need, I'd like to volunteer to be the champion.
+1 on Dave championing.
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 10:41 AM, Dave snoopd...@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks Sanjiva. I'm glad we we able to get things sorted out. And, thanks
to everybody who gave us feedback and +1 votes.
Since
Dulitha R. Wijewantha Software Engineer
Tel: 94112793140 | Mobile:94112793140
dulit...@gmail.com |http://dulithawijewantha.com
On Sep 25, 2013, at 11:22 PM, Alex Karasulu akaras...@apache.org wrote:
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 11:41 PM, Dave snoopd...@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks Sanjiva. I'm
Hi,
note that one of the WSO2 engineers has already started participating
on the usergrid-dev list with some (small) patches.
So relax a bit, and give people some time to read the existing
docs/code and start interacting with the existing community.
Continuing to escalate this topic is not
On Sep 25, 2013, at 3:54 AM, Lieven Govaerts lieven.govae...@gmail.com wrote:
and that the incubator
promotes this as 'the right thing to do' (which I didn''t know until
now).
Because it's NOT true. The right thing to do is what the
podling determines; the whole problem was with uncontrolled
On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 12:22 AM, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote:
On Sep 25, 2013, at 3:54 AM, Lieven Govaerts lieven.govae...@gmail.com
wrote:
and that the incubator
promotes this as 'the right thing to do' (which I didn''t know until
now).
Because it's NOT true. The right
Sorry this went out accidentally ...
I'm going to pull out as a mentor and as a committer.
Thanks,
Alex
On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 1:05 AM, Alex Karasulu akaras...@apache.org wrote:
On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 12:22 AM, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote:
On Sep 25, 2013, at 3:54 AM, Lieven
Hi Niranjan, Dulitha,
It's fantastic to see you and others wanting to dive in and you're all more
than welcome. We're looking forward to your involvement to the fullest
extent possible in this community.
The initial aim of the community right now is to meet the incubator entry
requirements,
Alex, if people want to join and add themselves as
committers, then they can. The bar to entry for podlings
during the initial proposal stage is I'm interested :)
On Sep 24, 2013, at 3:14 AM, Alex Karasulu akaras...@apache.org wrote:
Hi Niranjan, Dulitha,
It's fantastic to see you and others
On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 4:25 AM, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote:
Alex, if people want to join and add themselves as
committers, then they can. The bar to entry for podlings
during the initial proposal stage is I'm interested :)
If a podling wants to add anyone who asks to the initial
To abide, I have cancelled the vote.
I would encourage people who STILL want to be added,
and if I have not done so, to ANNOUNCE their intention
in this thread and then take on the responsibility
of adding themselves.
I will kick off another VOTE on Thursday (the 26th) at
noon eastern. I will
On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote:
Alex, if people want to join and add themselves as
committers, then they can. The bar to entry for podlings
during the initial proposal stage is I'm interested :)
Is there some more background available on why the barrier
Forgot to add the link.
On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 2:40 PM, Lieven Govaerts
lieven.govae...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote:
Alex, if people want to join and add themselves as
committers, then they can. The bar to entry for podlings
during
On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 02:40:19PM +0200, Lieven Govaerts wrote:
On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote:
Alex, if people want to join and add themselves as
committers, then they can. The bar to entry for podlings
during the initial proposal stage is I'm
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 1:34 AM, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote:
On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 02:40:19PM +0200, Lieven Govaerts wrote:
On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote:
Alex, if people want to join and add themselves as
committers, then they can. The
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 01:59:21AM +0600, Alex Karasulu wrote:
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 1:34 AM, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote:
On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 02:40:19PM +0200, Lieven Govaerts wrote:
On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote:
Alex, if people
We definitely want participation, that's what this is all about, but I'm a
little bit surprised at the number of folks all from the same company
affiliation who want to be committers that have had heretofore no
involvement or interest in the project for it's previous 2 years of ASLv2
existence on
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 2:14 AM, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote:
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 01:59:21AM +0600, Alex Karasulu wrote:
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 1:34 AM, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote:
On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 02:40:19PM +0200, Lieven Govaerts wrote:
On Tue, Sep 24,
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 2:45 AM, Alex Karasulu akaras...@apache.org wrote:
However, when the CEO of a company adamantly volunteers to mentor a
perspective podling, and within 36 hours a few of his employees also
volunteer, then people start thinking things. And this is very natural. I'm
not
Alex:
- only I from WSO2 offered to mentor AFAIK. I hereby withdraw my
suggestion. Senaka Fernando, sent a +1 binding vote but he's an ASF Member
. Senaka is not even remotely involved with this particular work - we have
250+ people in WSO2.
- given your explanation and feeling I will ask the WSO2
On Sep 24, 2013, at 6:58 PM, Alex Karasulu akaras...@apache.org wrote:
Put yourself in their shoes for a second? It's a big leap of faith for some
projects to come and propose for incubation. You just scared the bejesus
out of these guys even if they wanted to work with you.
You have
On Sep 24, 2013, at 7:21 PM, Ed Anuff e...@anuff.com wrote:
Sanjiva, two points I'd like to make:
1) You have stated from your first email on this topic that you'd like to
introduce a dependency on Stratos. The community doesn't want to do this.
Ignoring the whole 'what it is' that the
On Sep 24, 2013, at 3:19 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 10:23 PM, Alex Karasulu akaras...@apache.org wrote:
...So fill the bus with anybody who volunteers? That does not sound
meritocratic
It's been like that for a while in the Incubator, people who sign up
as
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 5:57 AM, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote:
On Sep 24, 2013, at 6:58 PM, Alex Karasulu akaras...@apache.org wrote:
Put yourself in their shoes for a second? It's a big leap of faith for
some
projects to come and propose for incubation. You just scared the
+1 for the Dave Fisher's example. I believe most of the people have
misunderstood our intentions. We were offering to help the project to grow
and graduate faster. I am withdrawing my committer request as our CEO asked
too. But honestly speaking - if you guys are *scared* of the *community*
and
I was actually looking forward to contributing for this project where ever
possible but I think people have misunderstood our intentions. As requested
by my CEO, I would like to withdraw my committer request.
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 7:36 AM, Dulitha Wijewantha dulit...@gmail.comwrote:
+1 for
Honestly the point that keeps getting missed here is
that everything we do at Apache proceeds at a notoriously
slow pace so people can adjust accordingly. All things
considered, would it be better if Sanjiva and colleagues
ASKED to be included in the proposal instead of just adding
themselves in
hmm.. it appears to me that though you pushed the project into ASF, your
intentions were not pure and you don't want any competitor of Apigee to be
joined to the project (by going on your words, it is quite natural to think
so.) even if they showed their genuine interest on helping the project
Are you guys wearing Apache hats or WS02 hats? If you're wearing Apache hats,
then I'd expect a bit less fealty to your CEO's request and a little more OK,
I see your point, but I'm really excited about the project, here's what I'd
like to do on the project, do you mind adding me as an
Hi Joseph,
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 10:09 AM, Joseph Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.comwrote:
Honestly the point that keeps getting missed here is
that everything we do at Apache proceeds at a notoriously
slow pace so people can adjust accordingly. All things
considered, would it be better if
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 10:22 AM, Nirmal Fernando nirmal070...@gmail.comwrote:
I've written below, wearing my Apache hat.
hmm.. it appears to me that though you pushed the project into ASF, your
intentions were not pure and you don't want any competitor of Apigee to be
joined to the project
On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 9:15 AM, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote:
Did you see what you replied too?? propose a vote and
the subject sez [VOTE]. :)
It's probably an email client issue. From the `Message-Id:` header of
Sanjiva's emails, it looks like might be using Gmail. With Gmail,
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