Re: [DISCUSSION] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation

2011-06-10 Thread Simon Phipps
For us outsiders, can you explain who is allowed to vote and in what way, please? S.

Re: [DISCUSSION] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation

2011-06-10 Thread Alexei Fedotov
Anyone is allowed to vote. If you vote against, please, explain why. Most of votes do not count anyway, negative votes are usually addressed. -- With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями, Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов, http://dataved.ru/ +7 916 562 8095 On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 8:45 PM, S

Re: [DISCUSSION] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation

2011-06-10 Thread Davanum Srinivas
Simon, Anyone interested can VOTE. If u see some of the votes they have "(binding)" in the text, those are from folks on the incubator pmc. Ultimately if we see a whole bunch of -1's then we check which way the pmc voted to decide if the proposal was accepted or not. So please go ahead and vote t

Re: [DISCUSSION] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation

2011-06-10 Thread Simon Phipps
Awesome, thanks. On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 5:48 PM, Alexei Fedotov wrote: > Anyone is allowed to vote. If you vote against, please, explain why. > Most of votes do not count anyway, negative votes are usually > addressed. > > -- > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями, > Alexei Fedotov / Але

Re: [DISCUSSION] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation

2011-06-10 Thread Ian Lynch
Sorry for ignorance but what does binding - non-binding mean? -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications (The Schools ITQ) www.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940 The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and

Re: [DISCUSSION] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation

2011-06-10 Thread Davanum Srinivas
binding is used by members of the incubator pmc [1] -- dims [1] http://people.apache.org/committers-by-project.html#incubator-pmc On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 12:50 PM, Ian Lynch wrote: > Sorry for ignorance but what does binding - non-binding mean? > > -- > Ian > > Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications

Re: [DISCUSSION] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation

2011-06-10 Thread Ian Lynch
On 10 June 2011 17:49, Davanum Srinivas wrote: > Simon, > > Anyone interested can VOTE. If u see some of the votes they have > "(binding)" in the text, those are from folks on the incubator pmc. > Ultimately if we see a whole bunch of -1's then we check which way the > pmc voted to decide if the

Re: [DISCUSSION] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation

2011-06-10 Thread William A. Rowe Jr.
On 6/10/2011 11:45 AM, Simon Phipps wrote: > For us outsiders, can you explain who is allowed to vote and in what way, > please? Everyone is welcome to vote. Binding votes include all Incubator Project Management Committee members. Non-binding votes can and do influence the opinions of committee

Re: [DISCUSSION] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation

2011-06-10 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 05:45:03PM +0100, Simon Phipps wrote: > For us outsiders, can you explain who is allowed to vote and in what way, > please? Official policy: http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation_Policy.html#Entry+to+Incubation Entry Into Incubation ... In order

Re: [DISCUSSION] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation

2011-06-10 Thread Andrea Pescetti
On 10/06/2011 Keith Curtis wrote: > P.S. I don't see many from LibreOffice voting against this proposal, so I > joined again to vote on their behalf. Maybe the "people from LibreOffice" are not voting against because, even though they believe there could have been better solutions, given the curre

Re: [DISCUSSION] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation

2011-06-10 Thread Keith Curtis
> Maybe the "people from LibreOffice" are not voting against because, even > though they believe there could have been better solutions, given the > current situation they prefer that OOo is approved as a podling: see > http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.discuss/5824 for > a mor

Re: [DISCUSSION] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation

2011-06-10 Thread Christian Grobmeier
Ketih, > I think Italo is incorrect saying voting "no" would be a defeat for > free software. It is an honest mistake. People don't know what else > could happen, because alternatives are not being discussed. They have been discussed. Even at this list. We have discussed to say "no" to OOo at the

Re: [DISCUSSION] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation

2011-06-11 Thread André Schnabel
Hi, Am 11.06.2011 06:17, schrieb Keith Curtis: I think LibreOffice people are quiet for various reasons: Everyone here votes on his own behalf, for his own reasons and at the time he feels to be the right time. There is currently no need to vote on anybody's behalf (really - nobody here o

Re: [DISCUSSION] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation

2011-06-11 Thread Simos Xenitellis
On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 9:40 AM, Christian Grobmeier wrote: > Ketih, > >> I think Italo is incorrect saying voting "no" would be a defeat for >> free software. It is an honest mistake. People don't know what else >> could happen, because alternatives are not being discussed. > > They have been dis

Re: [DISCUSSION] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation

2011-06-11 Thread Ross Gardler
Sent from my mobile device (so please excuse typos) On 11 Jun 2011, at 11:23, Simos Xenitellis wrote: > The part about the ASF undertaking only a reference implementation for > the ODF format > was not discussed. Yes it was. In fact it was the suggestion that OO.o should be refactored so that

Re: [DISCUSSION] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation

2011-06-11 Thread Sam Ruby
On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 6:23 AM, Simos Xenitellis wrote: > > Now that you mention it; the voting started at time (7.02pm local time). > Benson Margulies voted at 7.03pm. > You voted at 7.05pm. > > Is the voting start time pre-announced? The voting time was pre-announced on this very list: http:/

Re: [DISCUSSION] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation

2011-06-11 Thread Christian Grobmeier
>>> I think Italo is incorrect saying voting "no" would be a defeat for >>> free software. It is an honest mistake. People don't know what else >>> could happen, because alternatives are not being discussed. >> >> They have been discussed. Even at this list. We have discussed to say >> "no" to OOo

Re: [DISCUSSION] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation

2011-06-11 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Jun 11, 2011, at 6:23 AM, Simos Xenitellis wrote: > On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 9:40 AM, Christian Grobmeier > > The part about the ASF undertaking only a reference implementation for > the ODF format > was not discussed. This would probably make the Free Software > Foundation (FSF) happy. > > T

Re: [DISCUSSION] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation

2011-06-11 Thread Simon Phipps
On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 11:36 AM, Ross Gardler wrote: > Sent from my mobile device (so please excuse typos) > > On 11 Jun 2011, at 11:23, Simos Xenitellis > wrote: > > > The part about the ASF undertaking only a reference implementation for > > the ODF format > > was not discussed. > > Yes it wa

Re: [DISCUSSION] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation

2011-06-11 Thread Simos Xenitellis
On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 1:36 PM, Ross Gardler wrote: > Sent from my mobile device (so please excuse typos) > > On 11 Jun 2011, at 11:23, Simos Xenitellis wrote: > >> The part about the ASF undertaking only a reference implementation for >> the ODF format >> was not discussed. > > Yes it was. In f

RE: [DISCUSSION] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation

2011-06-11 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
ves.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201106.mbox/%3cBANLkTi=xbf7sg1nc2jjrd-obxofukki...@mail.gmail.com%3e> Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2011 11:55 To: general@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [DISCUSSION] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation [ ... ] Since Oracle was willing to transfer the OOo

Re: [DISCUSSION] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation

2011-06-12 Thread Andreas Kuckartz
Am 12.06.2011 01:20, schrieb Henri Yandell: > It is a large project; but so what? I thought Harmony had no chance of > being coded and that went very quickly, showing how well maximum > openness can walk the path between corporate, startup and hobby needs. You think Apache Harmony is a comparable

Re: [DISCUSSION] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation

2011-06-12 Thread Christian Grobmeier
> Am 12.06.2011 01:20, schrieb Henri Yandell: >> It is a large project; but so what? I thought Harmony had no chance of >> being coded and that went very quickly, showing how well maximum >> openness can walk the path between corporate, startup and hobby needs. > > You think Apache Harmony is a com

Re: [DISCUSSION] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation

2011-06-12 Thread Jomar Silva
On 2011/5/12 9:5 Manfred A. Reiter wrote: >Nearly the whole and very active community in Brasil switched to LO. A >lot of very brilliant and active members of the german community are >working now at LO, doing a very good job. In General, the Brazilian users keeps using BrOffice. BrOffice has ch

Re: [DISCUSSION] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation

2011-06-12 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Jun 11, 2011, at 2:55 PM, Simos Xenitellis wrote: > > Since Oracle was willing to transfer the OOo source code copyrights to > the ASF, the ASF could have accepted those copyrights, > extract the related code for the ODF reference implementation, and > re-release the source code with a copyle

Re: [DISCUSSION] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation

2011-06-12 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Jun 12, 2011, at 3:01 AM, Andreas Kuckartz wrote: > Am 12.06.2011 01:20, schrieb Henri Yandell: >> It is a large project; but so what? I thought Harmony had no chance of >> being coded and that went very quickly, showing how well maximum >> openness can walk the path between corporate, startup

Re: [DISCUSSION] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation

2011-06-12 Thread William A. Rowe Jr.
On 6/12/2011 4:03 AM, Niclas Hedhman wrote: > > Not that much; > * Same players. > * Same importance. Really? I'm pretty certain there is < 0.05% overlap between the Office Suite and Java Runtime mechanics of either Sun or IBM. They probably never even shared so much as a VP, although I could