On Thu, 2008-07-24 at 19:22 -0400, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
Henning Schmiedehausen wrote:
XEN e.g. is GPLv2 licensed and you can not host any code at Apache that
needs to be linked with XEN.
Now that raises an interesting question ... if we define our own vendor
neutral, Apache licensed,
Henning Schmiedehausen wrote:
On Thu, 2008-07-24 at 19:22 -0400, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
Now that raises an interesting question ... if we define our own vendor
neutral, Apache licensed, interface definition, are we allowed to host the
source for our own implementation of it that is intended
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
Doug Cutting wrote:
I would expect that Tashi would use Xen command-line programs, not link
directly to Xen's C API's.
Why?
Mostly because I don't know what I'm talking about, and I don't think we
need to resolve this at this point on this list and I'm trying to
Henning Schmiedehausen wrote:
To be clear: I don't want to be a road block here, I just like to have
these questions discussed before incubation begins; nothing is worse
than having Tashi in incubation for a few months, having them started a
community at Apache and then finding out that there
Michael Stroucken wrote:
I have not been assigned to any part of this project as an employee of the
university, and I am participating out of personal interest. I believe the
project can improve services not just at our data centers, but at data centers
in general.
[...]
Finally, as for the
On Wed, 2008-07-23 at 11:10 -0700, Doug Cutting wrote:
Henning Schmiedehausen wrote:
[...]
Hi Doug,
I noticed that you cut out the part about interfacing with
Apache-incompatible code. As this project will be surrounded on all
sides by non-Apache license able code, do you have a plan on how to
Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Tashi
Doug Cutting wrote:
There's no conspiracy here to steal Apacheness. Rather, Yahoo!, Intel
and CMU would like to collaborate on open source software. Intel and
CMU have a prototype, and Yahoo! is interested in helping to develop
this further. All three believe
Henning Schmiedehausen wrote:
I noticed that you cut out the part about interfacing with
Apache-incompatible code. As this project will be surrounded on all
sides by non-Apache license able code, do you have a plan on how to
amend this and how does the current demo code handle this?
I would
Doug Cutting wrote:
There's no conspiracy here to steal Apacheness. Rather, Yahoo!, Intel
and CMU would like to collaborate on open source software. Intel and
CMU have a prototype, and Yahoo! is interested in helping to develop
this further. All three believe that other parties will also
Doug Cutting wrote:
I would expect that Tashi would use Xen command-line programs, not link
directly to Xen's C API's.
Why? Personally, I hope that you are wrong. I would expect Tashi to define
a vendor neutral layer to which Xen, VMware, KVM, etc., implementations
could be written.
Henning Schmiedehausen wrote:
The wording for the Yahoo! slot sounded to me like there has been a
decision at management level that CMU, Intel and Yahoo! want to do some
work on that subject [...]
I believe that we've made it clear that there are no corporate slots, and
that the language
No worries. I've removed the entry on the wiki version of the proposal
at http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/TashiProposal. It now reads
simply:
Initially, there will be one committer each from Carnegie Mellon and
Intel Research:
* Michael Stroucken ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
* Michael Ryan ([EMAIL
Hi,
a number of questions:
- Are the proposed committers, people assigned to work on the project
or are they genuinely interested in this software.
IAW, will they stick around or leave as soon as they are reassigned to
other projects or their grants run out?
The wording for the Yahoo! slot
Doug Cutting wrote:
There's no conspiracy here to steal Apacheness. Rather, Yahoo!, Intel
and CMU would like to collaborate on open source software. Intel and
CMU have a prototype, and Yahoo! is interested in helping to develop
this further. All three believe that other parties will also
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 10:23 PM, William A. Rowe, Jr.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Doug Cutting wrote:
There's no conspiracy here to steal Apacheness. Rather, Yahoo!, Intel and
CMU would like to collaborate on open source software. Intel and CMU have a
prototype, and Yahoo! is interested in
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 3:12 PM, Niall Pemberton
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I really don't see what the problem is here, there are two named
committers in the proposal. Whatever the interests of the companies
they work for, Tashi will have to create a healthy community to
graduate and I don't
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Tashi
Hi,
I've read the messages from Henning and William, and I'd like to address some
of the concerns voiced by them. I'm Michael Stroucken, and I'm a senior systems
programmer at CMU. That means I am staff, and my interests in the Tashi project
William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote:
This looks like a very interesting technology, and when proposed as a
collaboration by actual persons A, B, and C (who happen to work for
X, Y, and Z) we will have something to discuss.
Great, because that's what I think we have. It so happens that persons
D, E
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
With respect to Initially, we plan to start with one committer each from
Carnegie Mellon and Intel Research, with a Yahoo committer to be determined
later, that's awkwardly phrased. It appears to imply a corporate
representative doing commits for hidden people, something
Doug Cutting wrote:
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
With respect to Initially, we plan to start with one committer each from
Carnegie Mellon and Intel Research, with a Yahoo committer to be
determined
later, that's awkwardly phrased. It appears to imply a corporate
representative doing commits for
Matthieu,
Thanks very much. I'll add you as a proposed mentor on the wiki proposal.
http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/TashiProposal
Dave
On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 3:00 PM, Matthieu Riou [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 6:55 AM, David O'Hallaron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Matthieu,
* The sponsoring entity is the Incubator so I'm guessing you're shooting
for graduating as a TLP. What kind of interactions do you foresee with
Hadoop for example?
We talked with Doug Cutting about whether to shoot for a TLP or a
subproject under Hadoop. We decided ultimately to go
On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 6:55 AM, David O'Hallaron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Matthieu,
* The sponsoring entity is the Incubator so I'm guessing you're shooting
for graduating as a TLP. What kind of interactions do you foresee with
Hadoop for example?
We talked with Doug Cutting about
Hi,
I've reviewed the proposal as well, sounds pretty interesting. I have a
couple of additional questions:
* The sponsoring entity is the Incubator so I'm guessing you're shooting
for graduating as a TLP. What kind of interactions do you foresee with
Hadoop for example?
* IIC Tashi is only
Noel,
I've fixed the wording on the wiki text to clear up the initial committers:
We've been talking with the storage group at HP, haven't approached
the others yet, but would certainly welcome them.
Thanks!
Dave
http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/TashiProposal
***
David,
I just reviewed
This is a proposal to enter the incubator.
See http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/TashiProposal for the most
up-to-date version.
We're looking forward to comments from the community.
Thanks!
Dave
--
-- David O'Hallaron,
-- Director, Intel Research Pittsburgh
-- Assoc Prof of CS and ECE,
David,
I just reviewed http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/TashiProposal.
Interesting. Has anyone been in touch with VMware, XenSource, Google,
Amazon, et al to invite them to participate?
With respect to Initially, we plan to start with one committer each from
Carnegie Mellon and Intel Research,
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