Re: [policy] bring in full code history on incubated project?

2006-01-06 Thread Garrett Rooney
On 1/6/06, Henri Yandell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 1/4/06, Noel J. Bergman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Can someone make a definitive statement on whether or not code > > > history is brought into our repo from elsewhere when a podling > > > brings code over? > > > > It is still being deb

Re: [policy] bring in full code history on incubated project?

2006-01-06 Thread Henri Yandell
On 1/4/06, Noel J. Bergman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Can someone make a definitive statement on whether or not code > > history is brought into our repo from elsewhere when a podling > > brings code over? > > It is still being debated, so no. Roy's comments about import from private > vs publ

Re: [policy] bring in full code history on incubated project?

2006-01-04 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Jan 4, 2006, at 3:21 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: Roy, what happens if I have a codebase, and I have one file in it that imports or otherwise references third party GPL code, and I then delete my infected file? Do we have a concern about having that GPL infected code in SVN, even though it

Re: [policy] bring in full code history on incubated project?

2006-01-04 Thread Greg Stein
On Wed, Jan 04, 2006 at 06:21:28PM -0500, Noel J. Bergman wrote: >... > Roy, what happens if I have a codebase, and I have one file in it that > imports or otherwise references third party GPL code, and I then delete my > infected file? Do we have a concern about having that GPL infected code in >

RE: [policy] bring in full code history on incubated project?

2006-01-04 Thread Noel J. Bergman
> Can someone make a definitive statement on whether or not code > history is brought into our repo from elsewhere when a podling > brings code over? It is still being debated, so no. Roy's comments about import from private vs public repositories may be a reasonable approach. Personally, I'm a

Re: [policy] bring in full code history on incubated project?

2006-01-04 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Tuesday 03 January 2006 22:40, Jules Gosnell wrote: > Isn't the incubator meant to lower the bar for projects wishing to > migrate into ASF ? Not directly. Incubator is the buffer that is here to ensure that the ASF, its members and to some degree its committers are given a low legal risk. Tha

Re: [policy] bring in full code history on incubated project?

2006-01-04 Thread Upayavira
Jules Gosnell wrote: > Geir Magnusson Jr wrote: > >> >> >> Jules Gosnell wrote: >> >>> Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: >>> Sorry to change the subject... Can someone make a definitive statement on whether or not code history is brought into our repo from elsewhere when a podling >>>

Re: [policy] bring in full code history on incubated project?

2006-01-03 Thread Greg Wilkins
We should take history! A snapshot does not solve any "legal or social issues". Obscuring history does not change history and if code is a derivative of LGPL, then not having the history does not change that fact. If there is something in the real history, then it is best to have that explicit i

Re: [policy] bring in full code history on incubated project?

2006-01-03 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr
Jules Gosnell wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr wrote: Jules Gosnell wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: Sorry to change the subject... Can someone make a definitive statement on whether or not code history is brought into our repo from elsewhere when a podling brings code over? I don't s

Re: [policy] bring in full code history on incubated project?

2006-01-03 Thread Jules Gosnell
Geir Magnusson Jr wrote: Jules Gosnell wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: Sorry to change the subject... Can someone make a definitive statement on whether or not code history is brought into our repo from elsewhere when a podling brings code over? I don't see how the incubator can

Re: [policy] bring in full code history on incubated project?

2006-01-03 Thread Jules Gosnell
Geir Magnusson Jr wrote: Jules Gosnell wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: Sorry to change the subject... Can someone make a definitive statement on whether or not code history is brought into our repo from elsewhere when a podling brings code over? I don't see how the incubator can

Re: [policy] bring in full code history on incubated project?

2006-01-03 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr
Jules Gosnell wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: Sorry to change the subject... Can someone make a definitive statement on whether or not code history is brought into our repo from elsewhere when a podling brings code over? I don't see how the incubator can hold a single position on t

Re: [policy] bring in full code history on incubated project?

2006-01-03 Thread Jules Gosnell
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: Sorry to change the subject... Can someone make a definitive statement on whether or not code history is brought into our repo from elsewhere when a podling brings code over? I don't see how the incubator can hold a single position on this one. There are good r

Re: [policy] bring in full code history on incubated project?

2005-12-27 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Dec 27, 2005, at 4:32 PM, Martin Cooper wrote: So what would it mean if Project Foo comes to the ASF, having released their 1.0 beforehand under the GPL, and then I grab the 1.0 code from the ASF repo and release that as my own version of the original 1.0? Project Foo can only come to t

Re: [policy] bring in full code history on incubated project?

2005-12-27 Thread Martin Cooper
On Fri, 23 Dec 2005, Roy T. Fielding wrote: On Dec 23, 2005, at 2:26 PM, Justin Erenkrantz wrote: Is it permissible to commit code to our repositories that were under, say, GPL (for when a project, like SA, re-licenses)? Yes. Relicensing means the copyright owners offer a different set

Re: [policy] bring in full code history on incubated project?

2005-12-27 Thread Leo Simons
Hi gang, I agree with Roy from a policy point of view. From a pragmatism point of view I think the policy is "we SHOULD preserve history for existing open source projects", but not a "MUST", because of the technical difficulties (with SVN, no doubt solvable. With some other stuff (eg bugzilla), le

Re: [policy] bring in full code history on incubated project?

2005-12-24 Thread Jim Jagielski
-1 from me :) If we have access to the history, then we should take advantage of it. This is especially true when the code is from public repos, or, at least, non-private donators. On Dec 23, 2005, at 1:32 PM, Davanum Srinivas wrote: +1 from me. Start with a snapshot. On 12/23/05, Justin Eren

Re: [policy] bring in full code history on incubated project?

2005-12-23 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Dec 23, 2005, at 2:26 PM, Justin Erenkrantz wrote: --On December 23, 2005 1:33:34 PM -0800 "Roy T. Fielding" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I disagree with Justin on these points. We must have a clean break when the code comes from a private source repository, since the history may conta

Re: [policy] bring in full code history on incubated project?

2005-12-23 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Saturday 24 December 2005 06:26, Justin Erenkrantz wrote: > However, I'm concerned with altering the perception that everything in our > code repositories was done on our lists.  Instead, we'll now be conveying > all of the oddball things that happened externally - be it at codehaus, > SourceFor

Re: [policy] bring in full code history on incubated project?

2005-12-23 Thread Henri Yandell
On 12/23/05, Roy T. Fielding <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Dec 23, 2005, at 10:31 AM, Justin Erenkrantz wrote: > > > --On December 23, 2005 1:15:44 PM -0500 "Geir Magnusson Jr." > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> Sorry to change the subject... > >> > >> Can someone make a definitive statemen

Re: [policy] bring in full code history on incubated project?

2005-12-23 Thread Justin Erenkrantz
--On December 23, 2005 1:33:34 PM -0800 "Roy T. Fielding" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I disagree with Justin on these points. We must have a clean break when the code comes from a private source repository, since the history may contain information that has never been revealed to the public. H

Re: [policy] bring in full code history on incubated project?

2005-12-23 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Dec 23, 2005, at 10:31 AM, Justin Erenkrantz wrote: --On December 23, 2005 1:15:44 PM -0500 "Geir Magnusson Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Sorry to change the subject... Can someone make a definitive statement on whether or not code history is brought into our repo from elsewhere whe

Re: [policy] bring in full code history on incubated project?

2005-12-23 Thread Davanum Srinivas
+1 from me. Start with a snapshot. On 12/23/05, Justin Erenkrantz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --On December 23, 2005 1:15:44 PM -0500 "Geir Magnusson Jr." > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Sorry to change the subject... > > > > Can someone make a definitive statement on whether or not code hist

Re: [policy] bring in full code history on incubated project?

2005-12-23 Thread Justin Erenkrantz
--On December 23, 2005 1:15:44 PM -0500 "Geir Magnusson Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Sorry to change the subject... Can someone make a definitive statement on whether or not code history is brought into our repo from elsewhere when a podling brings code over? I say no. We should only t

Re: [policy] bring in full code history on incubated project?

2005-12-23 Thread Martin Sebor
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: Sorry to change the subject... Can someone make a definitive statement on whether or not code history is brought into our repo from elsewhere when a podling brings code over? I can't make a definitive statement but stdcxx didn't (although I would have liked it to).

[policy] bring in full code history on incubated project?

2005-12-23 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
Sorry to change the subject... Can someone make a definitive statement on whether or not code history is brought into our repo from elsewhere when a podling brings code over? -- Geir Magnusson Jr +1-203-665-6437 [EMAIL PROTECTED]