Re: Not just yet

2015-10-23 Thread John D. Ament
On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 8:07 AM Greg Stein wrote: > On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 2:15 AM, Sam Ruby wrote: > >... > > > I'm a bit bothered by the fact that this would mean that the community > > voted on one resolution and then a different resolution is

Re: Not just yet

2015-10-23 Thread Sam Ruby
On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 8:09 AM, John D. Ament wrote: > On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 8:07 AM Greg Stein wrote: > >> On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 2:15 AM, Sam Ruby wrote: >> >... >> >> > I'm a bit bothered by the fact that this would mean

Re: Not just yet

2015-10-23 Thread Greg Stein
On Oct 23, 2015 1:01 AM, "Sam Ruby" wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 10:17 PM, Greg Stein wrote: > > On Oct 22, 2015 9:57 AM, "Sam Ruby" wrote: > >>... > >> I've also opened another issue that I would appreciate feedback on: >

Re: Not just yet

2015-10-23 Thread Sam Ruby
On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 10:17 PM, Greg Stein wrote: > On Oct 22, 2015 9:57 AM, "Sam Ruby" wrote: >>... >> I've also opened another issue that I would appreciate feedback on: >> >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/WHIMSY-28 > > Cross-check is nice. >

Re: Not just yet

2015-10-23 Thread Sam Ruby
On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 2:32 AM, Greg Stein wrote: > On Oct 23, 2015 1:01 AM, "Sam Ruby" wrote: >> >> On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 10:17 PM, Greg Stein wrote: >> > On Oct 22, 2015 9:57 AM, "Sam Ruby" wrote: >> >>...

Re: Not just yet (was: [VOTE] Graduate Apache Brooklyn from incubator)

2015-10-22 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 4:43 AM, John D. Ament wrote: > Any reason you need 4 weeks to add the paragraph back?.. 4 weeks is to get the board to vote on the resolution - our meeting was yesterday and the next one is on November 18. As Hadrian says, It is unfortunate that

Re: Not just yet (was: [VOTE] Graduate Apache Brooklyn from incubator)

2015-10-22 Thread John D. Ament
Ah ha. It wasn't clear from the original email this happened during the board meeting. Now I get it. On Oct 21, 2015 23:09, "Marvin Humphrey" wrote: > On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 7:58 PM, John D. Ament > wrote: > > > I think that's my point. Those

Re: Not just yet

2015-10-22 Thread Hadrian Zbarcea
For the curious and conspiracy theorists :) let me complete the picture. I did actually attend the board meeting as I usually do and the board was gracious enough to give me a couple of minutes to correct the resolution. Unfortunately, whimsy wouldn't save the corrected resolution, for a

Re: Not just yet (was: [VOTE] Graduate Apache Brooklyn from incubator)

2015-10-22 Thread Ted Dunning
Indeed, if Hadrian had succeeded in editing during the meeting, it would have been fixed right then. Murphy weighed in and we have a 4 week delay. On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 4:03 AM, John D. Ament wrote: > Ah ha. It wasn't clear from the original email this happened

Re: Not just yet

2015-10-22 Thread Ted Dunning
Indeed, the month delay in consideration is exactly an opportunity to correct the resolutions technical defects. On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 8:27 AM, Hadrian Zbarcea wrote: > Hi John, > > I was a reply to your message, but it was not pointed at you. Seriously. > Maybe the

Re: Not just yet

2015-10-22 Thread Sam Ruby
On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 8:05 AM, Hadrian Zbarcea wrote: > For the curious and conspiracy theorists :) let me complete the picture. > > I did actually attend the board meeting as I usually do and the board was > gracious enough to give me a couple of minutes to correct the

Re: Not just yet

2015-10-22 Thread Greg Stein
On Oct 22, 2015 9:57 AM, "Sam Ruby" wrote: >... > I've also opened another issue that I would appreciate feedback on: > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/WHIMSY-28 Cross-check is nice. I'd suggest another possibility: a web tool to *add* a template-based resolution

Re: Not just yet

2015-10-22 Thread John D. Ament
Agreed, it would likely make more sense for the entire doc to be a template, with only a few variables and maybe a single check indicating they want bylaws or not. On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 10:17 PM Greg Stein wrote: > On Oct 22, 2015 9:57 AM, "Sam Ruby"

Re: Not just yet

2015-10-22 Thread Alex Heneveld
Hi Hadrian, All, We have acquired a lot of familiarity with the challenges of the due processes and also their importance. We in the Brooklyn community understand completely and we really appreciate all the assistance we are getting. I suggest we still look to release an 0.9.0 around the

Re: Not just yet

2015-10-22 Thread John D. Ament
On Oct 22, 2015 8:05 AM, "Hadrian Zbarcea" wrote: > > For the curious and conspiracy theorists :) let me complete the picture. > > I did actually attend the board meeting as I usually do and the board was gracious enough to give me a couple of minutes to correct the

Re: Not just yet

2015-10-22 Thread Hadrian Zbarcea
Hi John, I was a reply to your message, but it was not pointed at you. Seriously. Maybe the "curious" part a bit, because you asked. We know however from experience that there are many other people who are curious what happens when unusual events like this take place and even a few, as I

Not just yet (was: [VOTE] Graduate Apache Brooklyn from incubator)

2015-10-21 Thread Hadrian Zbarcea
The resolution to graduate Apache Brooklyn out of the incubator was tabled due to a procedural issue. This has nothing to do with the code or the community. The reason was an editorial error on my side, I used the wrong template and the last paragraph releasing the incubator from its

Re: Not just yet (was: [VOTE] Graduate Apache Brooklyn from incubator)

2015-10-21 Thread John D. Ament
Any reason you need 4 weeks to add the paragraph back? On Oct 21, 2015 21:09, "Hadrian Zbarcea" wrote: > The resolution to graduate Apache Brooklyn out of the incubator was tabled > due to a procedural issue. This has nothing to do with the code or the > community. > > The

Re: Not just yet (was: [VOTE] Graduate Apache Brooklyn from incubator)

2015-10-21 Thread Greg Stein
Several things: the description of the project in para 1 and 3 do not match. Second, the wording of the (current) last paragraph doesn't refer to "podling" like other Incubator graduation resolutions. Third, the final paragraph from the template, releasing the Incubator from responsibility. See

Re: Not just yet (was: [VOTE] Graduate Apache Brooklyn from incubator)

2015-10-21 Thread John D. Ament
On Oct 21, 2015 22:48, "Greg Stein" wrote: > > Several things: the description of the project in para 1 and 3 do not > match. Second, the wording of the (current) last paragraph doesn't refer to > "podling" like other Incubator graduation resolutions. Third, the final >

Re: Not just yet (was: [VOTE] Graduate Apache Brooklyn from incubator)

2015-10-21 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 7:58 PM, John D. Ament wrote: > I think that's my point. Those two weeks should be used to get incubator > approval. If you wait 4 weeks you don't graduate until December. The Incubator isn't going to vote again. The text of the graduation