On 17 Feb 2006, at 22:22, Brett Porter wrote:
On 2/18/06, Davanum Srinivas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
You are right, we need to set guidelines for selecting inital
committers. Not sure where to start. ideas are welcome.
The other alternative is to add all 37 to lower the barrier to entry
and c
Craig McClanahan wrote, On 2/18/2006 11:46 PM:
On 2/18/06, Berin Lautenbach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Alan D. Cabrera wrote:
OT: I dislike the current trend of people using +1, -1, for simple
conversations. It confuses people and should be reserved for votes.
The use of +1/-1 for convers
On 2/18/06, Berin Lautenbach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Alan D. Cabrera wrote:
>
> > OT: I dislike the current trend of people using +1, -1, for simple
> > conversations. It confuses people and should be reserved for votes.
>
> The use of +1/-1 for conversations (as apposed to votes) is very c
Alan D. Cabrera wrote:
OT: I dislike the current trend of people using +1, -1, for simple
conversations. It confuses people and should be reserved for votes.
The use of +1/-1 for conversations (as apposed to votes) is very common
through the ASF. I've always rather liked it personally. It'
Niclas,
> I am *not* critical to *you* [but] to the process of "exclusion by
> default", which is something new to the Incubation policies.
No such thing is happening.
> My Concern; Proposals in the past have always had a set of
> initial committers which equated (approx) the people that
> have
On Sunday 19 February 2006 03:11, Davanum Srinivas wrote:
> Here's a good chance to review my involvment:
> So what it comes down to what i am actually working on is as follows:
> beehive, geronimo, gump, ws-all, security, ode
:o) I am *not* critical to *you* or how you distribute your volunteer
Here's a good chance to review my involvment:
beehive = Was a mentor to help with JSR 181 Impl and Axis integration
cocoon = Consider myself Emeritus, can revoke my karms
geronimo = Was a mentor to help with Axis integration
gump = Was a mentor and helping with for example Kaffe runs for a bit.
ha
On 2/17/2006 8:12 PM, Sanjiva Weerawarana wrote:
On Fri, 2006-02-17 at 11:42 -0800, Alan D. Cabrera wrote:
One thing that should be resolved as soon as possible is how we will
bring in new members. At the moment there are 17 proposed new
committers for a total of 37 committers. I think th
On 2/17/2006 9:26 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
IIUC, you must be a made man to be a mentor.
Actually, Paul is on the Incubator PMC, so he's on the Ode PPMC, and has
chosen to actively participate. ASF Members are automatically eligible for
the PMC, others, such as Paul, are elected.
D
On Saturday 18 February 2006 12:05, Davanum Srinivas wrote:
> Got word from Noel that the PPMC for Ode (seeded by mentors) will VOTE
> on giving people access (just like Harmony and other projects).
Without getting into what representation of Noel's statement was...
All due respect, I still didn'
> IIUC, you must be a made man to be a mentor.
Actually, Paul is on the Incubator PMC, so he's on the Ode PPMC, and has
chosen to actively participate. ASF Members are automatically eligible for
the PMC, others, such as Paul, are elected.
--- Noel
--
Davanum Srinivas wrote:
> Got word from Noel that the PPMC for Ode (seeded by mentors) will VOTE
> on giving people access (just [other projects]).
That is a subset of what I said, but as a rule, the PPMC should be providing
access. That does not imply on what policy that access is granted.
Sanjiva,
Please hang on for my next email :)
-- dims
On 2/17/06, Sanjiva Weerawarana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, 2006-02-17 at 11:42 -0800, Alan D. Cabrera wrote:
> >
> > One thing that should be resolved as soon as possible is how we will
> > bring in new members. At the moment there
On Fri, 2006-02-17 at 11:42 -0800, Alan D. Cabrera wrote:
>
> One thing that should be resolved as soon as possible is how we will
> bring in new members. At the moment there are 17 proposed new
> committers for a total of 37 committers. I think that this list might
> rival that of Geronimo i
> Noel asked me to add just the mentors to the ppmc list for now.
To be clear, I asked you to get the mentors onto the PPMC immediately. As
opposed to waiting for them to subscribe. I didn't make any comment about
anyone else. :-)
--- Noel
Niclas,
Got word from Noel that the PPMC for Ode (seeded by mentors) will VOTE
on giving people access (just like Harmony and other projects).
thanks,
dims
On 2/17/06, Niclas Hedhman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Saturday 18 February 2006 04:00, Matthieu Riou wrote:
> > Well, if we proceed onl
On Saturday 18 February 2006 04:00, Matthieu Riou wrote:
> Well, if we proceed only by patch submission, there won't be anybody
> from Sybase or Intalio to start with. Perhaps a couple of developers
> could be picked up for each product and then we'll apply the usual
> meritocracy rules for the oth
incubator.apache.org
Alan D. Cabrera wrote:
Sorry, that's what I meant. What are the domains for the lists?
Davanum Srinivas wrote, On 2/17/2006 1:19 PM:
harmony-ppmc...Also dont' forget to change the domains for the lists..
-- dims
On 2/17/06, Alan D. Cabrera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
D
Sorry, that's what I meant. What are the domains for the lists?
Davanum Srinivas wrote, On 2/17/2006 1:19 PM:
harmony-ppmc...Also dont' forget to change the domains for the lists..
-- dims
On 2/17/06, Alan D. Cabrera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Davanum Srinivas wrote, On 2/17/2006 12:01 PM:
On behalf of dims:
Noel asked me to add just the mentors to the ppmc list for now. so
please go ahead and subscribe to the other mailing lists. i'll add geir
and james to the ppmc list.
thanks,
dims
Brett Porter wrote:
On 2/18/06, Davanum Srinivas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
As far as i
On 2/18/06, Davanum Srinivas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> As far as i can remember, We started Harmony with Zero code and Zero
> committers...It's been done before :)
I suspect Geir was on there :) That's an unusual example given the
legal requirements of contributors.
> You are right, we need to
harmony-ppmc...Also dont' forget to change the domains for the lists..
-- dims
On 2/17/06, Alan D. Cabrera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Davanum Srinivas wrote, On 2/17/2006 12:01 PM:
> > Hmm...Can we apply the same criteria to *ALL* committers (including
> > those listed in the status page now?)
As far as i can remember, We started Harmony with Zero code and Zero
committers...It's been done before :)
I asked "Can we"? not "We should" :)
You are right, we need to set guidelines for selecting inital
committers. Not sure where to start. ideas are welcome.
-- dims
On 2/17/06, Guillaume Nod
Davanum Srinivas wrote, On 2/17/2006 12:01 PM:
Hmm...Can we apply the same criteria to *ALL* committers (including
those listed in the status page now?)
One more question, Since Noel (as the PMC Chair) talked about
Incubator pmc sponsoring this, can we please reflect that and ask for
a ppmc mail
Sorry, I may have missed something ..
Are you suggesting that the project start with 0 committers and that
everyone should be brought in by submitting patches ? ;)
What are the proposed criteria for selecting initial committers ?
Cheers,
Guillaume Nodet
Davanum Srinivas wrote:
Hmm...Can we a
Hmm...Can we apply the same criteria to *ALL* committers (including
those listed in the status page now?)
One more question, Since Noel (as the PMC Chair) talked about
Incubator pmc sponsoring this, can we please reflect that and ask for
a ppmc mailing list as well?
thanks,
dims
On 2/17/06, Alan
Well, if we proceed only by patch submission, there won't be anybody
from Sybase or Intalio to start with. Perhaps a couple of developers
could be picked up for each product and then we'll apply the usual
meritocracy rules for the others. What do you think?
Regards,
Matthieu.
On 2/17/06, Alan D.
I've placed a tentative version of the proposal up onto the incubator site.
The Software Grant has been received.
There is obviously a lot of good discussion that still needs to take
place. I think we should move this to the new mailing lists.
I think that we need to create:
- mailing lists
IIUC, you must be a made man to be a mentor.
Regards,
Alan
Paul Fremantle wrote, On 2/17/2006 1:26 AM:
Folks
I have added myself in the wiki as a mentor and committer. I hope thats ok
with everyone.
Paul
On 2/17/06, Geir Magnusson Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
really. I thought he was jo
Folks
I have added myself in the wiki as a mentor and committer. I hope thats ok
with everyone.
Paul
On 2/17/06, Geir Magnusson Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> really. I thought he was joking or some other Paul Brown...
>
> Davanum Srinivas wrote:
> > You kidding me? Please join us.
really. I thought he was joking or some other Paul Brown...
Davanum Srinivas wrote:
You kidding me? Please join us. "relatively familiar with BPEL and
with the PXE codebase" is the understatment of the year.
-- dims
On 2/16/06, Paul Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On 2/16/06, Paul
You kidding me? Please join us. "relatively familiar with BPEL and
with the PXE codebase" is the understatment of the year.
-- dims
On 2/16/06, Paul Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 2/16/06, Paul Fremantle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I'm also keen to join in. I'm very positive about O
On 2/16/06, Paul Fremantle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm also keen to join in. I'm very positive about ODE and I'm looking
> forward to it.
How can a member of the community at large participate in the process?
(I'm relatively familiar with BPEL and with the PXE codebase...)
--
[EMAIL PROTECT
Welcome aboard!
Regards,
Alan
Paul Fremantle wrote, On 2/16/2006 9:28 AM:
Alan
I'm also keen to join in. I'm very positive about ODE and I'm looking
forward to it.
Paul
On 2/14/06, Bill Flood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Alan, I would like to throw my name in the hat and become actively
inv
Alan
I'm also keen to join in. I'm very positive about ODE and I'm looking
forward to it.
Paul
On 2/14/06, Bill Flood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Alan, I would like to throw my name in the hat and become actively
> involved.
>
> Bill Flood Sybase [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> On 2/14/06, Alan D. Cabr
Makes since. Thanks for spending the time to explain this to me.
This really helps.
Thanks,
-dain
On Feb 15, 2006, at 6:56 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
Dain,
Since you brought this public, I'll post my response along with you
original email. I hope you don't mind...
I don't, but you mi
Dain,
> Since you brought this public, I'll post my response along with you
> original email. I hope you don't mind...
I don't, but you might have also included my reply. :-)
> There is no need for the Incubator PMC to sponsor. The Geronimo
> PMC will sponsor the project.
As I had replied to
I guess I was just reacting to the complete dismissal by Noel. In
the middle of a vote on the Geronimo PMC, we get a message that
effectively the Incubator has stepped in and has take over this
proposal. Now, stop and wait before responding to that statement and
let me explain. The norma
[trimmed individuals and pmc's from the cc: list]
On Wed, Feb 15, 2006 at 03:22:23PM -0800, Dain Sundstrom wrote:
> On Feb 15, 2006, at 3:09 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> >Sanjiva,
> >
> >>- Given the, um, strong feelings expressed by so many people about
> >>this project, how about if we get the
On Feb 15, 2006, at 3:09 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
Sanjiva,
- Given the, um, strong feelings expressed by so many people about
this
project, how about if we get the Incubator PMC to sponsor this
poddling?
Agreed. That is what I said to the Geronimo PMC, as well. The
Incubator
PMC wi
Sanjiva,
> - Given the, um, strong feelings expressed by so many people about this
> project, how about if we get the Incubator PMC to sponsor this poddling?
Agreed. That is what I said to the Geronimo PMC, as well. The Incubator
PMC will sponsor the project.
--- Noel
---
On 15 Feb 2006, at 16:54, Davanum Srinivas wrote:
James,
Thanks for taking the first step. Yes, please add me in as a mentor.
Here's some feedback first about the proposal before we take the next
step.
- AFAIK, Geronimo PMC has not voted on this proposal.
We kinda voted already on G-PMC but t
On 15 Feb 2006, at 16:31, Sanjiva Weerawarana wrote:
On Wed, 2006-02-15 at 15:56 +, James Strachan wrote:
Dims & Sanjiva
Given your arguments that the Sybase BPEL donation should be in a new
podling rather than part of ServiceMix - I wonder if you'd like to
join us in the ODE prop
iva
>
> Given your arguments that the Sybase BPEL donation should be in a new
> podling rather than part of ServiceMix - I wonder if you'd like to
> join us in the ODE proposal then we can have a united Apache
> community with folks from Agila, Geronimo, ServiceMix, &am
On Wed, 2006-02-15 at 15:56 +, James Strachan wrote:
> Dims & Sanjiva
>
> Given your arguments that the Sybase BPEL donation should be in a new
> podling rather than part of ServiceMix - I wonder if you'd like to
> join us in the ODE proposal then we can have a uni
Dims & Sanjiva
Given your arguments that the Sybase BPEL donation should be in a new
podling rather than part of ServiceMix - I wonder if you'd like to
join us in the ODE proposal then we can have a united Apache
community with folks from Agila, Geronimo, ServiceMix, & WS
Alan, I would like to throw my name in the hat and become actively involved.
Bill Flood Sybase [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 2/14/06, Alan D. Cabrera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Ok. Here's the proposal http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OdeProposal.
> Please feel free to comment.
>
> Bill Flood, can you
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> without dowloading the tarball.
Thanks, Bill, Cory!
- --
#kenP-)}
Ken Coar, Sanag
The license is in the tarball and/or you can see it directly at
ftp://ftp.sybase.com/pub/incoming/wcss/bpe/SourceCodeEvaluationAgreement.txtwithout
dowloading the tarball.
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The license is in the tarball. I've also put it at:
ftp://ftp.sybase.com/pub/incoming/wcss/bpe/
-cory
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> The source can be found here: ftp://ftp.sybase.com/pub/incoming/wcss/bpe/
- From one of the .java files:
> * Confidential property of Sybase, Inc.
> *
> * Copyright 1987 - 2006.
> *
> * Sybase, Inc. All rights reserved.
> * Unpub
Was cross-posted originally and I didn't on my reply...
Original Message
Subject: Re: Ode Proposal
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 10:54:47 -0500
From: Geir Magnusson Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: dev@geronimo.apache.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: dev@geronimo.apache.org
Alan, the Sybase developers that will work on this project are
Lance Waterman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cory Harper [EMAIL PROTECTED]
John Childs [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Jan-Hua Chu[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sandip Ghayal [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bill
On 2/14/06, Alan D. Cabrer
It seems that it has been the common practive for incubating subprojects
(not TLP)
until this vote
http://www.mail-archive.com/general%40incubator.apache.org/msg05956.html.
Cheers,
Guillaume Nodet
Niclas Hedhman wrote:
On Tuesday 14 February 2006 15:35, Alan D. Cabrera wrote to
dev@geronim
v@geronimo.apache.org
Subject: Re: Ode Proposal
02/14/2006 10:10
On Tuesday 14 February 2006 15:35, Alan D. Cabrera wrote to
dev@geronimo.apache.org, general@incubator.apache.org,
servicemix-dev@geronimo.apache.org
I thought ServiceMix was in the Incubator. How come the mailing list seems to
indicate something else?? Is this common practice for Geronimo sp
servicemix-dev@geronimo.apache.org
cc:
02/14/2006 02:35 S
On 14 Feb 2006, at 15:03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Allan,
This proposal appears to be gear towards the web services/SOA
community.
Is support for orchestration of non-WS business processes
considered out of
scope for Ode?
No - the code should be reusable for most orchestration needs; even
The Geronimo PMC needs to vote on sponsoring this.
Before you do that, just to start the discussion :
- Why would the Geronimo PMC sponsor this?
- Isn't BPEL a bit far afield from J2EE, which is our charter as a PMC?
- How about bringing it to Agila, which already has a good start on BPEL
and w
Ok. Here's the proposal http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OdeProposal.
Please feel free to comment.
Bill Flood, can you provide us with the list of Sybase developers that
wish to work on this project? Can you get the Software Grant paperwork
faxed in?
Any other ASF committers want to jump
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