On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 11:20 PM, Jean T. Andersonj...@bristowhill.com wrote:
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
This thread really needs to be put to a conclusion as policy and
procedure. On the table we have:
Suspension would include:
-- disable the mailing lists (no need to moderate)
-- disable
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:08 AM, Craig L Russellcraig.russ...@sun.com wrote:
On Jul 28, 2009, at 3:50 PM, Ralph Goers wrote:
On Jul 28, 2009, at 2:32 PM, Craig L Russell wrote:
I think we need to consider the risk to Apache of leaving the svn repo in
a r/o state.
According to the XAP
I think we need to consider the risk to Apache of leaving the svn repo
in a r/o state.
According to the XAP status page, http://incubator.apache.org/projects/xap.html
the copyright and distribution rights have not been verified, so
IMHO the repository has not been vetted.
I think we
On Jul 28, 2009, at 2:32 PM, Craig L Russell wrote:
I think we need to consider the risk to Apache of leaving the svn
repo in a r/o state.
According to the XAP status page, http://incubator.apache.org/projects/xap.html
the copyright and distribution rights have not been verified, so
On Jul 28, 2009, at 3:50 PM, Ralph Goers wrote:
On Jul 28, 2009, at 2:32 PM, Craig L Russell wrote:
I think we need to consider the risk to Apache of leaving the svn
repo in a r/o state.
According to the XAP status page, http://incubator.apache.org/projects/xap.html
the copyright and
Craig L Russell wrote:
On Jul 28, 2009, at 3:50 PM, Ralph Goers wrote:
That doesn't seem right either. I think members should still be able
to access it read-only.
Fair enough. I just don't think it should be readable by the public.
But members? Why not just authenticated committers?
Would this be moved to the attic?
On Jul 27, 2009, at 1:10 PM, Sanjiva Weerawarana wrote:
What is the procedure for updating the Web site etc.? We need to let
outsiders know that they should not depend on this incubator
project. (There
are tons of really solid incubator projects that others
Jim Jagielski wrote:
Would this be moved to the attic?
Probably not. The Attic is the collection of all released Apache
Projects. Podlings != Projects, and were never accepted as projects.
Do we want to charge the Attic with such additional burdens of then
completing all IP clearances that
Agree with Bill. Attic isn't the place, and Incubator has plenty or
suspended/terminated/dead/inactive/whatever-the-politically-correct-term-is
and I see no point changing this.
-- Niclas
On Jul 28, 2009 4:41 AM, William A. Rowe, Jr. wr...@rowe-clan.net wrote:
Jim Jagielski wrote: Would this
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
This thread really needs to be put to a conclusion as policy and procedure.
On the table we have:
Suspension would include:
-- disable the mailing lists (no need to moderate)
-- disable commit access (no need to review changes)
-- change the index of
In August 2008, it was discussed that XAP had been inactive for at least 4
months. In November 2008, we again saw issues with XAP and discussed
suspension. Having reached, now, February 2009, and still nothing with
XAP,
I am raising this as a vote.
In favor:
Noel J. Bergman
This thread really needs to be put to a conclusion as policy and procedure. On
the table we have:
Suspension would include:
-- disable the mailing lists (no need to moderate)
-- disable commit access (no need to review changes)
-- change the index of projects
The idea being to both flag
I would recommend that the public facing page for the project also be
modified since it will still show up in searches.
Ralph
On Jul 26, 2009, at 10:44 AM, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
This thread really needs to be put to a conclusion as policy and
procedure. On the table we have:
Suspension
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
This thread really needs to be put to a conclusion as policy and procedure. On
the table we have:
Suspension would include:
-- disable the mailing lists (no need to moderate)
-- disable commit access (no need to review changes)
-- change the index of projects
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From: Ross Gardler rgard...@apache.org
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 10:40:12 PM
Subject: Re: UIMA [WAS Re: Suspending Projects]
2009/2/21 Otis Gospodnetic :
Perhaps GSOC is something to consider. I see UIMA didn't
2009/2/20 Robert Burrell Donkin robertburrelldon...@gmail.com:
On 2/20/09, Thilo Goetz twgo...@gmx.de wrote:
Niclas Hedhman wrote:
On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Thilo Goetz twgo...@gmx.de wrote:
snip reason=user community reported healthy /
My pet hypothesis (or maybe I'm just looking
2009/2/20 William A. Rowe, Jr. wr...@rowe-clan.net:
Robert Burrell Donkin wrote:
I know that we usually try to strongly encourage companies not to use
apache as dumping ground but I wonder sometimes whether it might be
useful to accept more contributions of proof-of-concept code
especially
.
Ross
Otis
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- Original Message
From: Thilo Goetz twgo...@gmx.de
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 4:31:50 PM
Subject: Re: UIMA [WAS Re: Suspending Projects]
Niclas Hedhman wrote
Niclas Hedhman wrote:
On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 6:58 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin
robertburrelldon...@gmail.com wrote:
We should probably try to find the collective energy to review UIMA
before the project's enthusiasm is sapped.
That sounds like a healthy observation. My Q for the community
On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Thilo Goetz twgo...@gmx.de wrote:
snip reason=user community reported healthy /
My pet hypothesis (or maybe I'm just looking for excuses) is
this: UIMA is heavily used in academia. Now academics have no
problems with open source, to the contrary. But they
Niclas Hedhman wrote:
On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Thilo Goetz twgo...@gmx.de wrote:
snip reason=user community reported healthy /
My pet hypothesis (or maybe I'm just looking for excuses) is
this: UIMA is heavily used in academia. Now academics have no
problems with open source, to
Hi,
On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 11:58 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin
robertburrelldon...@gmail.com wrote:
We should probably try to find the collective energy to review UIMA
before the project's enthusiasm is sapped.
+1 I may be mistaken, but from the what I can tell UIMA has had to
manage with barely
My pet hypothesis (or maybe I'm just looking for excuses) is
this: UIMA is heavily used in academia. Now academics have no
problems with open source, to the contrary. But they have an
overwhelming need to publish and build up a reputation. So
they like to publish their source code on their
On 2/20/09, Thilo Goetz twgo...@gmx.de wrote:
Niclas Hedhman wrote:
On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Thilo Goetz twgo...@gmx.de wrote:
snip reason=user community reported healthy /
My pet hypothesis (or maybe I'm just looking for excuses) is
this: UIMA is heavily used in academia. Now
On 2/20/09, Janne Jalkanen janne.jalka...@iki.fi wrote:
My pet hypothesis (or maybe I'm just looking for excuses) is
this: UIMA is heavily used in academia. Now academics have no
problems with open source, to the contrary. But they have an
overwhelming need to publish and build up a
Robert Burrell Donkin wrote:
I know that we usually try to strongly encourage companies not to use
apache as dumping ground but I wonder sometimes whether it might be
useful to accept more contributions of proof-of-concept code
especially from academia. It's often easier to start from some
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 4:31:50 PM
Subject: Re: UIMA [WAS Re: Suspending Projects]
Niclas Hedhman wrote:
On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 6:58 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin
wrote:
We should probably try to find the collective energy to review UIMA
before the project's enthusiasm is sapped
On Fri 20 Feb 2009 17:23, Thilo Goetz twgo...@gmx.de wrote:
Can you perhaps contact these individuals one-by-one and get their
view on how they see it. Perhaps ask them to publish their work in
parallel, and perhaps the 'OSS bug' will bite a couple of them??
I have talked to quite a few of
- Original Message
From: William A. Rowe, Jr. wr...@rowe-clan.net
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 12:57:09 AM
Subject: Re: UIMA [WAS Re: Suspending Projects]
Robert Burrell Donkin wrote:
I know that we usually try to strongly encourage companies
Jukka Zitting wrote:
Hi,
On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 7:56 PM, Noel J. Bergman n...@devtech.com wrote:
I have put XAP's status to a vote. What others do people feel should be
considered? I have several in mind, but want to hear from the Mentors and
the Community as a whole.
I'm not a mentor
On 2/19/09, Thilo Goetz twgo...@gmx.de wrote:
Jukka Zitting wrote:
Hi,
On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 7:56 PM, Noel J. Bergman n...@devtech.com wrote:
I have put XAP's status to a vote. What others do people feel should be
considered? I have several in mind, but want to hear from the Mentors
and
On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 6:58 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin
robertburrelldon...@gmail.com wrote:
We should probably try to find the collective energy to review UIMA
before the project's enthusiasm is sapped.
That sounds like a healthy observation. My Q for the community is; Do
you have a healthy
On 2/18/09, Niclas Hedhman nic...@hedhman.org wrote:
On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin
robertburrelldon...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 12:07 PM, Niclas Hedhman nic...@hedhman.org
wrote:
The inertia is enormous, and I personally think that only a drastic,
Hello PMC,
As a committer on the XAP Project, I would also vote +1 (non binding of
course) for moving the project from incubation to the attic. We have seen
little community develop around the project and have been making little/no
progress on the code lately.
Thanks for everyones help
Hi,
On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 7:56 PM, Noel J. Bergman n...@devtech.com wrote:
I have put XAP's status to a vote. What others do people feel should be
considered? I have several in mind, but want to hear from the Mentors and
the Community as a whole.
I'm not a mentor of Lokahi, but I hang
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote:
River is another long-term incubating project that seems to have lost
its energy. However, there's still some remaining activity and as a
mentor I'm putting some effort there, hoping to achieve a similar
revival as
Robert Burrell Donkin wrote:
Noel J. Bergman n...@devtech.com wrote:
In August 2008, it was discussed that XAP had been inactive for at least
4
months. In November 2008, we again saw issues with XAP and discussed
suspension. Having reached, now, February 2009, and still nothing with
XAP,
Robert Burrell Donkin wrote:
IMO suspension is the wrong way to handle inactive podlings.
Suspension implies fault and punishment. Long term inactive
podlings should just be archived into an Attic.
IMO, you seem to have latched onto the wrong definition of the word suspend,
which has multiple
+1
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On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 11:23 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin
robertburrelldon...@gmail.com wrote:
On 2/16/09, Noel J. Bergman n...@devtech.com wrote:
In August 2008, it was discussed that XAP had been inactive for at least
4
months. In November 2008, we again saw issues with XAP and discussed
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 10:59 PM, Noel J. Bergman n...@devtech.com wrote:
Robert Burrell Donkin wrote:
IMO suspension is the wrong way to handle inactive podlings.
Suspension implies fault and punishment. Long term inactive
podlings should just be archived into an Attic.
IMO, you seem to
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Noel J. Bergman n...@devtech.com wrote:
Robert Burrell Donkin wrote:
IMO suspension is the wrong way to handle inactive podlings.
Suspension implies fault and punishment. Long term inactive
podlings should just be archived into an Attic.
IMO, you seem to
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 2:54 PM, Noel J. Bergman n...@devtech.com wrote:
Robert Burrell Donkin wrote:
Noel J. Bergman n...@devtech.com wrote:
In August 2008, it was discussed that XAP had been inactive for at least
4
months. In November 2008, we again saw issues with XAP and discussed
On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 2:45 AM, Niclas Hedhman nic...@hedhman.org wrote:
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 10:59 PM, Noel J. Bergman n...@devtech.com wrote:
Robert Burrell Donkin wrote:
IMO suspension is the wrong way to handle inactive podlings.
Suspension implies fault and punishment. Long term
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 12:07 PM, Niclas Hedhman nic...@hedhman.org wrote:
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com
wrote:
River is another long-term incubating project that seems to have lost
its energy. However, there's still some remaining activity and as a
On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin
robertburrelldon...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 12:07 PM, Niclas Hedhman nic...@hedhman.org wrote:
The inertia is enormous, and I personally think that only a drastic,
disruptive change of the codebase (i.e. a ver 3.0, similar
In August 2008, it was discussed that XAP had been inactive for at least 4
months. In November 2008, we again saw issues with XAP and discussed
suspension. Having reached, now, February 2009, and still nothing with XAP,
I am raising this as a vote.
--- Noel
I have put XAP's status to a vote. What others do people feel should be
considered? I have several in mind, but want to hear from the Mentors and
the Community as a whole.
--- Noel
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+1. I see little chance of XAP being resurrected at this point.
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On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 10:56 AM, Noel J. Bergman n...@devtech.com wrote:
In August 2008, it was discussed that XAP had been inactive for at least 4
months. In November 2008, we again saw issues with XAP and
On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 7:56 PM, Noel J. Bergman n...@devtech.com wrote:
I have put XAP's status to a vote. What others do people feel should be
considered? I have several in mind, but want to hear from the Mentors and
the Community as a whole.
I am long term apache user and have no benefit
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+1
Craig
On Feb 16, 2009, at 10:56 AM, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
In August 2008, it was discussed that XAP had been inactive for at
least 4
months. In November 2008, we again saw issues with XAP and discussed
suspension. Having reached, now, February 2009, and still nothing
with XAP,
I am
On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 6:56 PM, Noel J. Bergman n...@devtech.com wrote:
In August 2008, it was discussed that XAP had been inactive for at least 4
months. In November 2008, we again saw issues with XAP and discussed
suspension. Having reached, now, February 2009, and still nothing with
if projects get suspended - what happens to the repository? Is
it still public available somewhere?
Suspension would include:
-- disable the mailing lists (no need to moderate)
-- disable commit access (no need to review changes)
-- change the index of projects
The idea being to both
+1
On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 7:56 PM, Noel J. Bergman n...@devtech.com wrote:
In August 2008, it was discussed that XAP had been inactive for at least 4
months. In November 2008, we again saw issues with XAP and discussed
suspension. Having reached, now, February 2009, and still nothing with
On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Noel J. Bergman n...@devtech.com wrote:
In August 2008, it was discussed that XAP had been inactive for at least 4
months. In November 2008, we again saw issues with XAP and discussed
suspension. Having reached, now, February 2009, and still nothing with XAP,
+1
On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Yoav Shapira yo...@apache.org wrote:
On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Noel J. Bergman n...@devtech.com wrote:
In August 2008, it was discussed that XAP had been inactive for at least 4
months. In November 2008, we again saw issues with XAP and discussed
Noel J. Bergman schrieb:
In August 2008, it was discussed that XAP had been inactive for at least 4
months. In November 2008, we again saw issues with XAP and discussed
suspension. Having reached, now, February 2009, and still nothing with XAP,
I am raising this as a vote.
--- Noel
+1.
Eddie
On Feb 16, 2009, at 4:25 PM, Henning Schmiedehausen
henn...@apache.org wrote:
Noel J. Bergman schrieb:
In August 2008, it was discussed that XAP had been inactive for at
least 4
months. In November 2008, we again saw issues with XAP and discussed
suspension. Having reached,
+1
--kevan
On Feb 16, 2009, at 1:56 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
In August 2008, it was discussed that XAP had been inactive for at
least 4
months. In November 2008, we again saw issues with XAP and discussed
suspension. Having reached, now, February 2009, and still nothing
with XAP,
I am
+1.
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
In August 2008, it was discussed that XAP had been inactive for at least 4
months. In November 2008, we again saw issues with XAP and discussed
suspension. Having reached, now, February 2009, and still nothing with XAP,
I am raising this as a vote.
--- Noel
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
In August 2008, it was discussed that XAP had been inactive for at least 4
months. In November 2008, we again saw issues with XAP and discussed
suspension. Having reached, now, February 2009, and still nothing with XAP,
I am raising this as a vote.
--- Noel
On 2/16/09, Noel J. Bergman n...@devtech.com wrote:
if projects get suspended - what happens to the repository? Is
it still public available somewhere?
Suspension would include:
-- disable the mailing lists (no need to moderate)
-- disable commit access (no need to review changes)
--
On 2/16/09, Noel J. Bergman n...@devtech.com wrote:
In August 2008, it was discussed that XAP had been inactive for at least 4
months. In November 2008, we again saw issues with XAP and discussed
suspension. Having reached, now, February 2009, and still nothing with XAP,
I am raising this as
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