Hi,
Just to confirm several other Apache projects web site include links to nightly
builds, but in most cases it's clear that it for development use, so is it OK
to do like these projects do?
Solr: http://wiki.apache.org/solr/NightlyBuilds
JMeter: http://jmeter.apache.org/nightly.html
Direcory:
Hi,
If there are volunteers out there interested in shepherding, please speak up
-- we have
slots.
I like to stick my hand up if there still a free spot. I'm an Apache Flex PMC
and committer, I've helped out (and spoken) at two ApacheCons, have been active
in Apache Flex through
Hi,
Looks like one of the things that fell between the cracks when Apache Flex
become a top level project was drafting up and accepting a set of bylaws.
I see nothing about bylaws on the incubator website, including here [1] where I
would expect it to be.
Should the process on this page be
Hi,
I reckon that this is one of the initial steps of becoming a
top-level project (TLP). See the board resolution that created
your TLP: hereby is tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws to ...
Thanks for clearing that up. Yes it was mentioned in the resolution, we should
get to it
Hi,
Thanks for the feedback, it's interesting to see that some project don't have
bylaws.
The whole reason this come about is because it's unclear what voting rules are
the default when voting someone in as committer. See [1] (consensus) and [2]
(majority). If -1 is a veto or not is sort of
Hi,
I see no discrepancy between the documents you cite. The first says
that committer votes are by consensus, the second says that
procedural votes are by majority, but doesn't define procedural and
there's no implication that it includes committer votes.
There was conversation on members@
Hi,
I don't find the discussion on members@ that comes to this conclusion. If
you cannot see members@ how do you know this?
I was informed by a member on Flex private and here [1] which you already
responded to.
Thanks,
Justin
1. http://markmail.org/thread/chfagblj72cv7zrt
Hi,
Is there such a concept as Lazy Majority ?
Yes many Apache projects define it (eg Ant, Kafka, Hadoop, Pig, Hive and others
) as does Apache HTTP. [1]
Lazy majority decides each issue in the release plan.
Different projects however use different terms, as far as I can see Lazy
Majority
Hi,
I'm proud to be part of that group. I would like to see it grow -- in my
view, the Incubator has erred by not recruiting aggressively enough!
+1 On every project that goes through incubation there should be several
candidates that now understand the incubation process worked and the
Hi,
Every American that has voted for a public office
knows that winning the majority has nothing to do
with the total population of potential voters.
Where I'm from voting is compulsory so it has a different meaning.
Thanks,
Justin
Hi,
Just added myself. I've seen a project though incubation, I'm a PMC member
and been a release manager.
Thanks,
Justin
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Hi,
Anyone can volunteer.
Just added myself.
I'm not an IPMC member but seen a project through incubation and I'm a PMC
member.
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Hi,
Apache Flex is just voting on is guidelines (and is likely to pass
tomorrow) if you need something to base yours off. [1]
We didn't realise that we actually needed guidelines, but a couple of
things come up and we released we didn't know what the default rules
actually were and teh existing
Hi,
I've been assigned to shepherd NPanday this month. Last month shepherd
report was delayed to this month, should I just expand on that? There now
seems to be outside awareness of what state the project is in.
The last report I can find was was back in July and notes there are issues
with
Hi,
I thought you needed to be a IPMC member in order to be a mentor. [1]
states that Mentors MUST be on the IPMC. If you're an ASF member you can
ask to be on the IPMC [2]. So by people above I assume you mean ASF/IPMC
members or has this changed?
Thanks,
Justin
:34 AM, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.comwrote:
Hi Justin,
both - Scott and me - are ASF members and IPMC members.
The policy has not changed.
Cheers,
Christian
On 4 Dec 2013, at 22:10, Justin Mclean wrote:
Hi,
I thought you needed to be a IPMC member in order to be a mentor. [1
Hi,
Can I have edit access for the incubator wiki to add my shepherds report to
the December report. My user name is Justin Mclean.
Thanks,
Justin
PS This may come though twice as I think my first email got stuck awaiting
moderation?
Hi,
Been following the thread and noticed one of the items on the list is:
Issue tracker clean for release version.
Is that really expected? I would expect progress and issue closed since
last release but not everything in the issue tracker addressed. Is it clear
what clean means in this
Hi,
Just a note to say I've updated the Aurora shepherd report to make it clear
that one of the four mentors (Jake Farrell) has been very active.
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HI,
Just a minor thing (IMO). I was just taking a look at [1] and what strikes me
is a lack of ASF branding.
While it's clear in the text and from the domain that the project is an ASF
one, the subtitles Forge software for hosting software projects and Brought
to you by: brondsem,
Hi,
I may just be missing something but I don't see any MD5 or signed files in the
release area from the mirror the download page took me to. [1] they do seem to
be in RC4 [2] so it may be they just not been copied over or perhaps all the
mirrors haven't caught up yet?
Having the README,
Hi,
Looks like the src release is missing a DISCLAIMER file. [4]
Ah sorry - ignore that as it already been discussed on this list.
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There are several files missing license headers - is this a concern?
./dev/phoenix.importorder
./examples/STOCK_SYMBOL.csv
./examples/WEB_STAT.csv
./examples/pig/test.pig
./examples/pig/testdata
./phoenix-core/src/main/resources/java.sql.Driver
(ignoring CHANGES and rat.txt
Hi,
I assuming you source and binary releases will require different NOTICE/LICENSE
files?
For the upcoming Apache FlexUnit release I created a NOTICE and LICENCE for the
source release (which is included in the source zip/tar) and a NOTICE.bin and
LICENCE.bin for the binary release (which is
Hi,
Thanks Marvin. Very useful information and has helped clarify a few things I
was unclear on.
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HI,
While Apache Flex is not an incubating project I think this discussion may be
useful for incubating projects in a similar situation.
We just getting together the first release of Apache Flex FlexUnit4. In Apache
Flex FlexUnit 4 source files we have:
- 2200 files with Apache licensed files
Hi,
What do you mean by correct?
The have the correct copyright and licence header. ie the Adobe files have a
BSD license and are copyright Adobe.
The LICENSE file must include the text - or provide a pointer to a
local copy of the text
So then the recent conversation and response by
HI,
I just took a look at the release candidate, there's a few very minor issues
but everything else looks good.
Checksum and PGP good
DISCLAIMER exists
NOTICE OK - but does has 2013 in it
LICENSE also OK mentions ODC-BY 1.0. This is not listed at [1] as a compatible
license but it looks to
Hi,
+1 (binding)
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Hi,
Looks like I don't have access to:
https://reviews.apache.org/r/20506/
Is the review URL correct/have correct permissions? What's require to get
access to it?
(I can access the other review URL in the other Adobe donation).
Thanks,
Justin
Hi,
Look good to me there's 2000 odd files that are Apache licensed and no file
licensed in another way. There are a few .txt files missing a licence header
but that's probably not an issue. There are however a couple of files that do
probably need to be removed. Can this be done after this
Hi,
This donation contains quite a few binary files (pdfs, gif, jpeg, even a
coueple of mp3s) but not unusual give the native of the donation (mostly
technical documentation and examples).
There a few files which are problematic I think:
- There several testdrive_win.car and testdrive_mac.car
Hi,
The Vote is already 5 days old and we still require 2 more votes from the
IPMC.
I took a look but was unable to get the source package to compile on OSX
probably an issue at my end or is it an unsupported platform?
Everything else (signatures, rat report, DISCLAIMER, LICENSE, NOTICE and
Hi,
+1 (binding)
My issue seems to be out of memory/heap space related. Adding typical
JAVA_OPT/MAVEN_OPTS settings to README in future releases could be helpful.
I also noticed a few warnings when building re runtime configuration. They can
be fixed like so [1].
It may also be that the
Hi,
Looks good re signatures, licence, notice file etc etc
I did notice a couple of very minor issues that can be addressed in later
releases:
- NOTICE has 2013 rather than 2014
- README.md is plain text not markdown format
But I was unable to get the soirce package to compile. Most likely
Hi,
Just do you have wget installed on your box?
No I didn't have it installed and that was the issue thanks. I had assumed that
it wasn't needed if you didn't run the tests perhaps a future README can be
updated to fix this?
HADOOP-7489 when running the tests on Java 1.7 (on OSX). Again
Hi,
+1 (binding)
Signatures and hashes all good
DISCLAIMER correct
Filename contains incubating
NOTICE and LICENCE good (note minor year issue in NOTICE)
All source file have correct headers (there are few text test files that are
missing headers, you may want to look at fixing this in a later
Hi,
+0 (binding) if the binary file question (see below) can be answered I'd vote +1
Signatures and hashes all good
DISCLAIMER correct
Filename contains incubating
NOTICE and LICENCE good (note that the year is wrong)
All source file have correct headers (there's a few .csv, .xml and .txt files
Hi,
Changing my vote from +0 to +1 (binding).
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Hi,
-1 (binding) due to binary in the release + possible LICENSE/NOTICE issues
Signature + hashes good
DISCLAIMER correct
NOTICE and LICENCE seem to contain too much (see believe)
All source files have correct headers
There's a binary in the release
Can compile from source
Test pass
What
Hi,
Sorry for to mention the binary in question is:
webapp/src/test/resources/org/apache/falcon/logging/java-test.jar
Thanks,
Justin
Hi,
-1 (binding) due the LICENSE/NOTICE possible issues
Signatures and hashes all good
DISCLAIMER correct
Filename contains incubating
NOTICE and LICENCE may need checking see below
A few files are missing correct headers (but minor)
There's no binaries in the release (other than open office
Hi,
We will take care of this for the next release. Is this a blocker for the
release?
I'm willing to see other people thoughts on it - but it's likely to be so.
I am also willing to change my vote if someone with more experience than me
says it's OK for now.
There's a binary in the release
Hi,
Yes, I agree. Since this is only a licensing documentation bug, though -- as
opposed to something more serious like a licensing violation -- it should not
pose a risk to the foundation and so it seems to me OK to file a ticket and
fix in a subsequent release.
Thanks for the
Hi,
Not sure I can vote +1 on this due to binary files in the source release - one
of which one contains jar. Is there a reason for this?
Signatures and hashes are fine
DISCLAIMER correct
Filename contains incubating
NOTICE and LICENSE OK (NOTICE year may not be correct?)
Source contains binary
Hi,
+1 (binding)
I did miss the compilation instruction in the original email. The markdown
file is at
Might be a good idea if these instructions were included in the source release,
typically they go in BUILDING or README.
we can use ant to build thse files in future
I think would be the
Hi,
Here is the current proposal (draft):
https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/JsonImpl
There's a minor copy/paste error as the proposal still contains a reference to
Delta Spike.
The following JIRA project would be required to track issues for the Apache
DeltaSpike project:
It needs some
Hi,
About the name any proposition is welcomed. I though to brace BTW.
Apache Argonaut sounds good but I assume that name is in common use so perhaps
Argus (the ship builder), or perhaps Fleece?
Thanks,
Justin
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Hi,
Kalmut also didn't report after I emailed their dev list. Looks like they may
be in a bit of trouble, commit and mail list activity is very low level and RC3
of their last release (way back in October 2013) looks like it been left
hanging when it didn't get any votes by the IPMC. [1]
The
Hi,
Notice that my shepherd report (for Kalumet) has been removed as it did not
report - should this be the case? If a podling fails to report should shepherd
not bother to do a review?
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I pinged Kalumet on their dev list and they seem keep to continue.
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Sorry I been a bit busy with travel and other releases over the last few weeks.
-1 binding due to vote issues, NOTICE and binaries in source release.
I checked:
- missing VOTE RESULT and can't tell if there are 3 +1 binding votes or not.
There are 4 +1 votes on of which one is not binding
Hi,
+1 binding
I checked:
- vote looks good
- incubating in artefact name
- signatures and hashes all good
- DISCLAIMER good
- NOTICE and LICENSE correct
- all source files have Apache headers
- no binary files in source package
- can compile from source
I didn't run any test as I was not sure
Hi,
This VOTE has now been going on for more than a month. Anyone able to help out
here?
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what are the binaries???
The font files in resources/fonts. Any idea where they come from or how they
are licensed? If they are ALv2 or similar then there is no issue.
There are currently 2 IPMC votes from: jbonofre and olamy
http://people.apache.org/committer-index.html#jbonofre
Hi,
Yes I know it's a sort of grumbling email but It's already hard to
release something here especially when you are volunteer and doing the
coding part on your spare time and without the support of all paid
folks who join IPMC just to have a binding vote on some projects!!
So please start
Hi,
The font files in resources/fonts. Any idea where they come from or how they
are licensed? If they are ALv2 or similar then there is no issue.
coming from boostrap which is MIT
Looking at the font metadata I don't see a MIT license only a URL [1] and a
copyright - Copyright © 2013 by
Hi,
See http://glyphicons.com/license/
which says Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 Unported (CC BY 3.0)
Not sure that applies - that's for the free version which doesn't include the
Halflings font.
I hope we can use that. If not so many projects here @apache have
illegal distributions
Hi,
Change my vote to +1 binding as all issues I raised have been discussed and can
be addressed in the next release.
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Has this release been voted upon by the PPMC? I can't see any votes or vote
result thread here:
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-tez-dev/201406.mbox/thread
Otherwise everything is good.
I checked:
- file name included incubating
- DISCLAIMER exists
- NOTICE and LICENSE
Hi,
+0 (binding) due to NOTICE file - seems minor I know but it is important to get
right.
I checked:
- Vote seems OK - although would be good to have [VOTE][RESULT] with tally of
binding votes
- Release file name name contains incubating
- DISCLAIMER exists
- NOTICE and LICENSE mostly good
Hi,
Yes: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-112
Thanks for double checking.
To my knowledge, there's no established method for
bringing these files in during compilation/build, but I'll take a look at
for the next release.
I don't think there is any need for that, the licenses
Hi,
Looking good re activity, community and ability to make releases.
Just took a quick look at the Tez web site. IMO there's a few things that need
to be fixed.
- Missing clear incubation disclaimer - although it's a bit late as once your
graduate it's not needed :-) [1]
- Remove older
HI,
CC'ing d...@tez.incubator.apache.org so folks can work through the list below.
Ah thanks I should of done that - nothing serious IMO.
Re the disclaimer, it's is actually there so that issue can be ignored, it was
just below the fold on my laptop.
Thanks,
Justin
Hi,
+1 (binding)
- we generate the website from our master branch and not a release. Is that
an issue
No issue I can see there. Having to vote every time you wanted to release the
web site would be be rather cumbersome.
- the 0.5 SNAPSHOT shows up on the website as a result of the above.
Hi,
I'm an mentor for the Apache Fleece project and an incubator PMC member how do
I grant access to the incubator wiki(in particular the incubator report)? [1]
If I can't granted access can someone please give access to user HendrikSaly so
he can fill in the Fleece podling report.
Thanks,
Hi,
-1 binding (binary files in source release + NOTICE/LICENSE issues)
I checked:
- vote thread has 3 +1 binding votes
- signatures and hash correct
- has DISCLAIMER
- LICENSE and NOTICE have issues (see below)
- binary files in source release (see below)
- all source files have correct
Hi,
This is a eclipse plugin so the source contains images for Eclipse icons.
I had a quick look though the images and couldn't find any eclipse icons, Can
you point out what files are licensed under this license?
These files are under EPL. The images are binary artifacts but part of our
Hi,
+1 binding
I checked:
- vote thread good
- DISCLAIMER exists
- LICENSE and NOTICE correct
- year in NOTICE good
- All source has correct headers
- No binary files in source package
- Can compile source package
- tests pass
Thanks,
Justin
Hi,
Forgot to also say signature and md5 hash correct.
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Hi,
-1 (binding) issues with LICENSE
Looks like source is bundling MIT licensed Bootstrap, MIT licensed D3JS, MIT
licensed dagre and MIT licensed dust, all of those need to be added to LICENSE.
There may be others I've missed. See [1] on how to do this.
I checked:
- vote thread good
-
Hi,
There is a file in the Falcon source release called bootstrap.js which
contains the following header.
Thanks for clarifying that, it does look like the older version of bootstrap is
under Apache and not MIT like the current version. However the LICENSE is still
probably incorrect as
Hi,
All are Apache License 2.0.
Are you 100% positive? I don't know the exact version included or if these
links are representative of the bundled software but none of them look to be
Apache licences at a casual glance.
BSD licensed:
https://github.com/mbostock/d3/blob/master/LICENSE
MIT
Hi,
Last few times I've reviewed LICENSE / NOTICE files in projects it ends up
being quite difficult knowing what exactly has been bundled and exactly how
those bits of included software are licensed. In particular some software (i.e.
bootstap) have moved form an Apache license to an MIT one
Hi,
I had to indeed review lots of the dependencies by hand to evaluate
license issues. It is not simple.
it certainly can be complex but just wondering if we can make the more
reasonable cases easier to review / easier for incubator projects.
Justin
Hi,
Are you using RAT to evaluate releases for licenses? Or are you doing
pre-release activities?
Apache Rat is a great help and certainly points you in the right direction. But
even then a lot of the time you have to go and manually check if something been
Apache licensed or not, or try
Hi,
A vote was held on the developer mailing list and it passed with 5 +1s.
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-slider-dev/201407.mbox/%3CCABCXrRT2GgfTogkWzCghi1NcLm18ydp7W2MbQ4PrR73EqODODg%40mail.gmail.com%3E
A [VOTE][RESULT] would be nice to have. How many of those votes are
Hi,
Lets take for instance slider as they have just put up an RC for voting.
Slider bundles a few things and may have some Apache Licensed software bundled.
Can you tell easily what those bits are? And if so what versions? Source
headers here are no help as all Apache source headers are the
Hi,
+1 binding
- Vote passed
- incubating in release name
- signatures and hashes correct
- DISCLAIMER exits
- LICENSE and NOTICE good
- No binary files in source release
- all source files have correct headers
- can compile from source
I did notice one little odd thing and it's probably
Hi,
The Kokki files (https://github.com/samuel/kokki/tree/master/kokki) did not
have any header. We added the Apache License and mentioned Kokki in the top
level LICENSE. Let us know if there is an alternate way to handle this
situation.
Thanks for that, I was just curious to what happen
Hi,
It is useful to mention all 3rd party inclusions in the LICENSE file,
including ones under AL2.0.
That would help with Apache licensed software by 3rd parties, but misses out
with bundled software made by the ASF.
Perhaps it would be helpful if there was a list of all bundled software
Hi,
+1 binding
- vote good
- signatures and hashes correct
- files name includes incubating
- DISCLAIMER exist
- LICENCEs and NOTICEs good
- no binaries in source releases
- all source have correct headers
- can compile source
Minor issues to fix in a future release
- NOTICE year wrong (2013)
-
HI,
2 x +1 binding votes
2 x +1 non-binding votes
Aren't IPMC votes binding so that would be 4 +1 binding votes?
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Apache Blur isn't under the [new] alternate process, if that's what
you're referring to. I'm still under that impression [as one of the
mentors] that we require 3 binding IPMC votes.
I may be mistaken but I thought it required 3 +1 binding votes on the podling
dev list and then 3 +1 IPMC
Hi,
It requires 3 +1 votes on the podling list, they then bring it here
for the 3+1 *binding* votes. In our case we got 4 total +1 {2 IPMC
members; 2 PPMC members} and came here for the third binding vote. I
think the Aaron was precise in his usage of +1 votes and +1 binding
votes. Mine and
Hi,
Honestly, I'm not sure what the canonical place for you to look up
PPMC members
IMO that's needed to review votes.
Are you interested in helping review/vote on our release or just
debating the incubator policy stuffs?
I'm just looking at it now. Sorry for polluting the VOTE thread.
HI,
+1 binding
- vote correct (I assume so)
- md5 and signatures correct
- incubating in artefact name
- DISCLAIMER exists
- LICENSE and NOTICE correct (but a couple of minor things see below)
- no binary files in source release
- all source files have correct headers
- can compile from source
Hi,
Anyone clarify this as it's not mentioned at [1].
Whose votes are binding for releases on the podlings dev list? Obviously
mentors and PPMC members, but are IPMC members votes binding? I would assume so
but don't see it stated anywhere. Would Apache members votes be binding?
Assuming IPMC
Hi,
As a mentor I've (nearly) always advised that if there are three IPMC votes
on the dev list then there is no need to make further noise on the general
list with unnecessary +1's. I therefore point out in the general@ vote mail
that 3 binding (IPMC) +1's have been received and therefore
Hi,
+1 binding
- Vote good
- hashes and MD5 correct
- artefact name includes incubating
- DISCLAIMER exists
- LICENSE and NOTICE good
- all source files have correct headers
- no binary files in source release
You may want to consider changing in a future release:
- Adding apache to release
Hi,
+1 binding
- release artefact has incubating in the name
- signatures and hashes correct
- has DISCLAIMER
- LICENCE and NOTICE good
- all source files have correct header
- no binaries in source release (except for tests)
- can compile from source
- tests pass
Thanks,
Justin
Hi,
+0 binding. I consider changing to +1 if some one posts a [VOTE][RESULT]
clearly indicating how many votes RC2 actually got and/or explain the situation.
- vote thread may have issues (see below)
- signatures are hashes good
- DISCLAIMER exists
- LICENSE and NOTICE all good
- release
Hi,
You mean https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/devicemap/ , right?
Yes that's the correct URL. Not a blocker IMO as it can be moved to the correct
location once the vote is over.
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Hi Radu,
3. browsermap-1.4.1-rc2-incubating: one +1 (Kevan Miller) - I removed some
redundant development dependencies
So you saying RC2 did only get +1 vote, not the needed 3 +1 votes by the
PPMC/IPMC before being voted on by the incubator.
What are the changes between RC1 and RC2? Are
HI,
-1 binding due to issues with NOTICE and LICENSE + no response to those issues
either on dev list or here.
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They where addressed in AURORA-600
Thanks for that. As the issue has been addressed and will be in the next
release changing my vote to:
+1 (binding)
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Hi,
Changing my vote to +1 binding.
For the next release you might want to consider voting on each RC separately,
it makes reviewing votes a lot easier. Some projects allow votes to carry over
if changes are trivial between RCs, you might want to consider that. This is
basically what you did
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