an think of is to move
them to the Incubator. Keep the lists where they are, move the svn,
move the websites. They need to be thinking TLP, they need to get
community.
I'm against using the incubator as a rehabilitator. Everything else
(including the significant snippage that I did) I agree w
other words, a -1 expressed in such a vote is just a -1, not
a veto.
Any Jakarta project that feels uneasy because it
- has an isolated community
- has a broader scope than "Java"
should consider a TLP
+1
- Sam Ruby
t to. Just make sure it
is your original submission and nothing else. If anybody else
contributed code, make sure you get them to agree with your wishes.
Thanks Stefan. As there has been no other feedback on this, I think I
will try asking on legal-discuss instead.
I agree with Stefan's
on to the problem:
http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/charset.html#h-5.3.1
Works with iso-8859-1. Works with utf-8. Works with ASCII. Well
supported by all the current browsers.
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that there are other PMC members overseeing the
day to day operations, but it is vitally important that three people
sign off on every release.
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list this year (in fact,
he unsubscribed in March):
Craig R. McClanahan
One is a member of the PMC and is active:
Daniel F. Savarese
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P.S. In no way should this be construed as a lack of confidence in dfs.
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active, in order to better represent project, and current status of the
project.
What about jakarta-oro?
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Apache.org. In the meantime, IBM will make available a
binary copy of the Derby code from www.developerworks.com" [1]
http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/db2/zones/cloudscape/
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veral months.
My point? Just because I'm not drawing attention to myself, doesn't
mean that I plan on going anywhere. Or even that I've been involved
elsewhere. Just that I have learned sometimes the way I can help most
is by stepping back.
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Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:
What do the turbine people want?
If we presume the existance of 'turbine people', then that would be a
good indication that the right thing to do would be to leave JCS within
turbine, and encourage turbine to be promoted to a top level project,
taking JCS with it.
On N
Phil Steitz wrote:
Can someone grant me Karma for jakarta-site2? I am a commons committer.
Thanks in advance.
Done
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assume to
have a lower bar.
However I'd also advise you seriously to consider incubator.apache.org,
ws.apache.org or xml.apache.org, simply because I believe that they may be
a more appropriate home.
Things involving a software grant need to involve the incubator. This
is not a destination
Vincent Massol wrote:
Hi,
As part of Cactus, we have developed 2 Eclipse plugins. One of them is a
generic webapp plugin. We would like to extract this from the Cactus CVS
and let others benefit from it.
However, I'm not sure where we should put this new project.
Obviously one choice is to put
Gump machine is Redhat linux, many of the others are Solaris.
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Gump? Absolutely.
2) If the majority of committers to an ASF Jakarta subproject were to
want to move their codebase to java.net, would I help them? Absolutely.
Is the open source Java world big enough for both a Jakarta and a
java.net? Absolutely.
- Sam
Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
I'd like to propose that Howard Lewis Ship be given jakarta-site access and
Appears to already be done.
I hereby nominate him for the Jakarta PMC.
+1
=-Andy
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What should we call this proposed list?
jcp-open?
Done.
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affic.
How you can prove a negative (i.e., that you had access to such
information but never actually took advantage of it), is beyond me.
What should we call this proposed list?
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JCP?
We've been through this before. The list is has no Sun employees on it.
It has only Apache members. They make decisions on behalf of the ASF.
You can choose to no longer be a member of the ASF. You can choose
not to participate. At the moment, you have chosen the former and not
the
Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
Who is on the current "scholarship" board? Any apache folks? Are you
able to comment?
Yes, Apache is on the "scholarship" board.
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explicitly address the issues that are of concern)
Andy, are you stating that in your legal opinion a verbal agreement
superceedes a written license?
How are your dicussions with Richard Stallman going?
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Does anyone know how/where this redirect can be set up?
I'm assuming it's in the httpd.conf of the web server on daedalus.
Is this even remotely close?
Take a look at /www/jakarta.apache.org/.htaccess on daedalus. Search
for maven.
Henri Yandell wrote:
I've updated the site from the file. Btw, Thomas Mahler's name is not in
alphabetical order in the file.
You updated the site but you didn't update the file? Are you waiting
for permission or something? ;-)
Hen
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l active. " ?
I've asked on the pmc private list and not gotten much feedback. I'm
reluctant to reinstate anybody who doesn't wish to be reinstated.
[Sam Ruby, Jan 16th, PMC Nominations]
Hen
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l have a wonderful set of people
supporting you. Both within the PMC itself and on the board.
Then maybe it'll indicate to people whether they have an interest, and how
long they'd desire to serve etc.
Hen
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party
election, I would much rather go "month to month"... in other words, if
any PMC member wants to call for an election at any time, it's OK with
me. Futhermore, should a suitable candidate emerge, they woul
the first half. Wrong on the second.
When the ASF as a whole decides to participate in agreements, it does so
as a whole (i.e., ASF==members). Subscribing to the mailing list does
not make you any more or less bound, it simply allows you to provide
some input into the proce
acted like adults and releases were made.
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AM:
I nominate Sam Ruby whom I sometimes, ofte
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I nominate Sam Ruby whom I sometimes, often would be too strong of a
word, disagree with but always respect his integrity and belief in
community-based software development. I too w
otentially jointly
with my intended successor) on the 19th.
How does this sound?
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Rob Oxspring and Jason van Zyl.
Both names are present in the official list.
Danny AngusDiane HoltMartin Poeschl
Nicola Ken Barozzi Larry Isaacs Dmitri Plotnikov
Stefan Bodewig John Keyes Sam Ruby
Peter Carlson Thomas Mahler S
Danny AngusDiane HoltMartin Poeschl
Nicola Ken Barozzi Larry Isaacs Dmitri Plotnikov
Stefan Bodewig John KeyesSam Ruby
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Martin Cooper Conor MacNeillDavid Sean Taylor
n performs that last step.
...which I do automatically every 6 hours via a cron job (starting at
midnight PST).
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Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
I nominate Pier Fumagalli for membership in the Jakarta PMC, for a
period exceeding that of any Italian post-war government.
+1
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Pier Fumagalli wrote:
I am more than you are, as my name pops on and off the proposed PMC members
as yours does depending on the mood of the day...
Pier, let me make this quite clear: I want you to be a member of the
Jakarta PMC. Any time anybody submits your name, I will vote +1.
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in turn, are
scheduled to coincide with ApacheCons. That's why it is very important
for members who can't make it to ApacheCons to fill out proxy statements.
I believe I was the one who nominated the most new members at the last
meeting. Hopefully, more people will do the same at the
t that Stephen Colebourne be
dismissed without prejudice [1] from the roster of the Jakarta PMC.
Next month, lets start with the nominations that didn't quite make this
round, and add to the list.
- Sam Ruby
[1] http://www.lectlaw.com/def/d062.htm
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On 19/2/03 17:18 "Sam Ruby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
The goal is to make all active committers PMC members.
I think this is utterly wrong for an umbrella project like Jakarta.
Interesting. 100% of the ASF board members that I have talked to have
ut I would like to see
significantly more Jakarta committers become PMC and ASF members.
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o the PMC should receive a letter
explaining the role of a PMC member and asking them if they'd be willing
to join.
What are you waiting for?
Make it so.
;-)
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ease prime and active for 10 months).
Should I be seeking a seat on the PMC?
Yes.
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Martin van den Bemt wrote:
This is the vote in which you got nominated :)
Mvgr,
Martin
However, these were names that did not attract sufficient number of +1's
the first go around. At the moment - unless I missed an email - the
only PMC members that have expressed a vote on these names are R
Plotnikov
- Phillip Rhodes
To add to the list, I'd like to nominate these active committers:
- James Strachan
- Jason van Zyl
- Ted Husted
- Rod Waldhoff
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http://emoglen.law.columbia.edu/
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Ceki Gülcü wrote:
At 07:21 12.02.2003 -0500, Sam Ruby wrote:
LGPL has special rules for 'link'. What exactly is the concept of a
'link' in Java? If A imports B and A and B are not in the same Java
package (but perhaps share some similar names in the first three
qualifi
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ted to do so. If
you do not wish to do so, delete this exception statement from your
version.
"
Define "link".
If you were subscribed to [EMAIL PROTECTED], you would have already
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http
Danny Angus wrote:
>
>>> With respect to dnsjava and mm.mysql, my understanding is that we
>>> had indeed received such alternate licensing. Perhaps this needs
>>> to be made more clear somewhere.
>>
>> If they issued a separate license for everyone to use, then I see
>> no record of this on their
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e and standardize our licenses. However, for
various reasons (impending v2, more serious license issues, desire to do
some thing other than purely licensing related on occasion ), this
is not my personal top priority at this time.
-Sam
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Sam Ruby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 06/02/2003 03:53:47 AM:
[snip]
Code under the ASF License is clearly OK. As is the IBM Public License
(the pre-Jakarta BSF, for example) and the MPL (Rhino). The following
public domain components are also approved: Ant
ld be very concerned about what limitations it might place on users
of ASF software.
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resources they
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rely on the good will of others. I will say that opening it
up to all ASF committers has resulting in a significant increase in
participation and usefulness of the results, with no apparent downside
seen to date.
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Sam Ruby wrote:
I am willing to take on the maven repository admin role on one condition
- every other admin is removed. In short, I am willing to take on
responsibility for removing piss from the pool if and only if the
sources of this contamination are
Jason van Zyl wrote:
On Fri, 2003-02-07 at 10:18, Sam Ruby wrote:
Jason van Zyl wrote:
and can't or won't comply with Apache
policies,
I started removing the Sun violations and I just sent you another
message asking you to take on a maven repository admin role. Feel free
t
occasions, and
that there is no effective oversight of this repository.
- Sam Ruby
P.S. There is a bit of hyperbole in the statement I made above about
removing every other admin. Clearly dIon through his deeds and actions
has demonstrated responsib
to which that
body polices its own work, counts heavily in such a decision.
Hopefully, this provides some insight as to why this issue is so
important to me, both as an ASF director and as representive of a
company that wishes to participate in Apache.
-Andy
- Sam Ruby
of their licenses or the incurring of any additional obligations." Is
this what situation you meant to apply it to?
I would believe that Maven can depend on LGPL/GPL jars and pull them
down when needed to build itself. Can you clarify?
I hope that the previous answers clarify why
ch google, I'm sure something will turn up.
- Dan Diephouse
People should have a resonable expectation that building an ASF project
should not involve the download of materials in violation of their
licenses or the incurring of any additional obligations. Enforcement of
this policy via Ma
d with the distribution."
I'm sure there are many more.
Good catch. I'll correct, and review the others for compliance.
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nt to work
with the Apache infrastructure and can't or won't comply with Apache
policies, then why do you want Maven to be an Apache project?
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Santiago Gala wrote:
Sam Ruby wrote:
(...)
Excellent.
All I ask now is that developers in Jakarta, particularly those
involved in tools such as Maven that are a critical part of a number
of build processes and involve the automatic downloading of
dependencies, do a self assessment for
Those that care to participate, please indicate your interest by posting
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Original Message
Subject: Maven as a top-level apache project
Date: 06 Feb 2003 12:20:32 -0500
From: Jason van Zyl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: "Turbine Maven Develop
(don't get me on legal stuff here though :). It is written
down in the gpl fag on fsf.org.
httpd else would have to be gpl too, since it may use gpl'ed buildtools
to get it build, which is clearly not the case.
Agreed.
- Sam Ruby
ent.
All I ask now is that developers in Jakarta, particularly those involved
in tools such as Maven that are a critical part of a number of build
processes and involve the automatic downloading of dependencies, do a
self assessment for license violations.
Do NOT simply wait and be reactive on th
Please do not direct that at me.
I am requesting that the people contributing to Maven perform an audit.
I would like to see that audit complete within two weeks.
It is not difficult to find more license violations. Quite a number of
the packages starting with the letter 'J' alon
), I'd like to have
the infrastructure issues resolved (where should this data should be
hosted, mirrored, etc).
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ages above). Others
I'll batch up and forward to the board and/or licensing folk.
By the board meeting after that (3rd week in March), I'd like to have
the infrastructure issues resolved (where should this data should be
hoste
s),
and update http://jakarta.apache.org/site/whoweare.html appropriately.
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ch an eventuallity. My
recomendation is no, particularly jakarta's track record of being
supportive for subprojects becoming sister ASF projects.
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Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
Please note that my support is based on the following assumptions:
http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?TalkPlutoProposal
Andy,
This is an *excellent* list to work from. Thanks!
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that there may be a vacancy shortly... ;-)
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Jon Scott Stevens wrote:
What is it with IBM people suddenly wanting to start projects based around
JSR's? Looks suspicious to me.
IBM has proposed ASF projects in the past. IBM has both lead and
participated in JSRs. In fact, JSR 110 is both lead by IBM and has an
open source reference impl
ruts/Tiles, and the Cocoon
> portal framework for a starter).
I can't resist a Jon'ism here:
Thanks for volunteering!
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vote closed immediately prior to
tomorrow's ASF board meeting, and notify the board of the new PMC
members at that time.
PMC members who have not voted and wish to do so, speak now or forever
hold your peace. ;-)
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acknowledges receipt of these votes.
Let the voting begin!
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P.S. My vote is +1 on all.
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te. This is best explained by
example, so look for logkit.jar in the following files:
http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs/jakarta-gump/project/jakarta-avalon.xml?rev=HEAD&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup
http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs/jakarta-avalon/build.xml?rev=HEAD&content-type=text/vnd.vi
ctory maintained separate from
the build. At the end of the gump run, that directory is zipped and
tarred up and uploaded.
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/jakarta-jmeter/nightly/
http://gump.covalent.net/jars/2003-01-06/jakarta-jmeter/
Can you describe the problem you are seeing?
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FYI.
In related news, jakarta-gump's cvs is open to all ASF committers.
*Every* ASF committer has karma.
http://jakarta.apache.org/gump/
http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs/jakarta-gump/
http://jakarta.apache.org/site/mail2.html#Gump
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Thoughts?
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Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 00:41:18 -0800 (PST)
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I know you're probably not the right person to bring this to, but you
probably d
+1 on accepting Tapestry as a Jakarta subproject under the mentorship of
Andy Oliver, conditional upon successful incubation.
Next steps would be identifying the list of initial committers, cvs
tree(s), and mailing list(s). But this can wait until the incubator PMC
signs off on the subproject.
390211903&w=2
I would think that cvs commit messages would be sufficient for making
people aware of activity.
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I'll delete and revert all changes.
My vote is +1.
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html for instructions.
You have an inordinate number of brainiacs contributing software. Why
can't someone figure out how to make to easily accessible?
Constructive suggestions are always welcome.
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Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
Come on. Does anyone really *like* XSL?
I do.
http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/*checkout*/jakarta-alexandria/proposal/gump/stylesheet/xref.xsl?rev=1.21&content-type=text/plain
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that Gump also watches over.
I just dug into cvs_acls.pl, and it looks like this is possible; I'm
certainly fine with that idea.
- Sam Ruby
P.S. Since Gump simply runs commands and captures output, there is no
technical reason why it needs to be limited to Java code bases.
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-alexandria/proposal/gump get moved to jakarta-gump,
all committers to any jakarta code base be given karma and voting rights
on the full contents (descriptors, code, and stylesheets alike) and that
a single [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing be created (we are all devs
here, right?)
Thoughts?
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Danny Angus wrote:
This is a chairman's report. Typically, these appear after a time delay
(once approved in a subsequent meeting) at
http://www.apache.org/foundation/board/calendar.html .
thats what I thought, but I don't see any recent jakarta ones.
Bad, Jakarta chairman, bad.
glens and jmitchell now have karma to jakarta-site2
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ommunity due to stability
should become community property. Perhaps commit messages should be
directed to general@.
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http://jakarta.apache.org/site/news/index.html. These summaries are
community developed, monitored, and maintained. Feedback on their
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Conor MacNeill wrote:
Could I please have site karma?
Done.
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bytes, the ASF
is not going to falter and fold.
At the moment, this may be the closest thing to a sanction you may get.
If a better one becomes available, I'll be sure to forward it on.
Peace.
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needs to not be any nooks and crannies
where unmonitored code may reside.
I hope I got this right, but I am sure that Roy will correct me if I'm
wrong. ;-)
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