Re: Managing versions of Apache Jakarta software

2002-04-01 Thread Stefan Bodewig
On Thu, 28 Mar 2002, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now, it occurred to me that ANT would be the best tool to use for keeping manifest files in synchronization with code/releases, but I found [not that there may not exist] no easy way to do this with built in commands. Ant 1.4.1 supports manifest

RE: Managing versions of Apache Jakarta software

2002-03-30 Thread Jeff Prickett
On Fri, 29 Mar 2002, Danny Angus wrote: Morning, I wrote: I'm not qualified to put forward any suggestions That doesnt stop most people, including myself from replying ;) Sam replied: I respectfully disagree. Thanks Sam, I'll now bore you with my own opinion, and see if you

Re: Managing versions of Apache Jakarta software

2002-03-30 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
On Thu, 2002-03-28 at 16:06, Peter Donald wrote: On Fri, 29 Mar 2002 07:49, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: *gets the feeling that the project marketing campaign for Maven has begun and wonders if he bought into a time share and singed up for a free seminar by accident* The funny thing is that

RE: Managing versions of Apache Jakarta software

2002-03-29 Thread Danny Angus
Morning, I wrote: I'm not qualified to put forward any suggestions Sam replied: I respectfully disagree. Thanks Sam, I'll now bore you with my own opinion, and see if you change your mind.. ;-) I believe that there are two conflicting forces at work within Jakarta regarding cross

RE: Managing versions of Apache Jakarta software

2002-03-29 Thread dion
Even less valuable opinions inline :) Danny Angus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 29/03/2002 10:08:45 PM: I don't know how this helps to clarify the situation, but I expect a Jakarta registry is probably required, and the ability for sub-projects to define their classpaths as part of their

Re: Managing versions of Apache Jakarta software

2002-03-29 Thread Peter Donald
On Fri, 29 Mar 2002 22:08, Danny Angus wrote: This raises a couple of issues though.. a) it implies that there be an ant based installer for each application participating in the scheme Maybe not an ant based installer. However what it does need is something that is equivelent to unixes

RE: Managing versions of Apache Jakarta software

2002-03-29 Thread Danny Angus
So where does that leave us? Do you (Pete) believe that the work you're going to put into Ant2 and java versioning can address this satisfactorily in a generic way? What participation would it require from sub-projects wanting to adopt it? Should, perhaps, Jakarta be using our hard fought

RE: Managing versions of Apache Jakarta software

2002-03-29 Thread Danny Angus
There was a discussion about an enterprise distribution of jakarta and other open-source java technologies some time back on this list that resulted in starting oed project on SourceForge [which is pretty much dead at the moment :-( ]. Which may suggest that there's more to solving this

RE: Managing versions of Apache Jakarta software

2002-03-29 Thread ajack
There was a discussion about an enterprise distribution of jakarta and other open-source java technologies some time back on this list that resulted in starting oed project on SourceForge [which is pretty much dead at the moment :-( ]. Which may

Re: Managing versions of Apache Jakarta software

2002-03-29 Thread Andrus Adamchik
Danny Angus wrote: There was a discussion about an enterprise distribution of jakarta and other open-source java technologies some time back on this list that resulted in starting oed project on SourceForge [which is pretty much dead at the moment :-( ]. Which may suggest that there's more

RE: Managing versions of Apache Jakarta software

2002-03-29 Thread Danny Angus
It would be a real shame for the lack of an total automated solution to lead to the lack of a simple manual solution. If administrators can manually check the explicit version of a JAR, rather than comparing sizes/datestamps, that would be a major improvement over today. Correctly version

Re: Managing versions of Apache Jakarta software

2002-03-29 Thread Guillaume Rousse
Ainsi parlait Andrus Adamchik : [..] Task of a package creator is harder. (Here is a link with detailed information : http://www.rpm.org/max-rpm/ ). In short (in reality it is rather hard) package creators need to get sources, convert configure-make-make install into a special RPM spec for a

Re: Managing versions of Apache Jakarta software

2002-03-29 Thread Andrus Adamchik
I hear you. And I think I understand pretty well ;-). Therefore I was looking at your project as an example how this should be done in Java world. Guillaume Rousse wrote: Curiously in java world, packager work is generaly is at best misunderstood, often ignored, or even seen with some

RE: Managing versions of Apache Jakarta software

2002-03-29 Thread Danny Angus
Hi, (if this is getting too OT tell me to sling my hook) I just printed and read the jdk 1.3 optional packages versioning document (again) then found this .. http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.4/docs/guide/plugin/developer_guide/extensions.ht ml the section on Java Extensions Installation made

Managing versions of Apache Jakarta software

2002-03-28 Thread ajack
All, I've been lucky enough to have benefited from a lot of the excellent packages put out be this community, e.g. ANT/XERCES/LOG4J/XALAN/SOAP2.2/AXIS etc etc, and I thank you all for that. Recently however my utilization of a lot of Apache software has bitten me (commons-logging in AXIS in this

RE: Managing versions of Apache Jakarta software

2002-03-28 Thread Leo Simons
It would also be very nice if this were rolled into Maven :) cheers, - Leo Well, at this point Adam, we don't so much has have a written guideline for creating a Jakarta release, so adding versioning to a non-existent guidelines poses something of a challenge :O) Please please please

Re: Managing versions of Apache Jakarta software

2002-03-28 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
*gets the feeling that the project marketing campaign for Maven has begun and wonders if he bought into a time share and singed up for a free seminar by accident* Leo Simons wrote: It would also be very nice if this were rolled into Maven :) cheers, - Leo Well, at this point Adam, we don't

RE: Managing versions of Apache Jakarta software

2002-03-28 Thread ajack
: Thursday, March 28, 2002 1:33 PM To: Jakarta General List Subject: Re: Managing versions of Apache Jakarta software Well, at this point Adam, we don't so much has have a written guideline for creating a Jakarta release, so adding versioning to a non-existent guidelines poses something of a challenge :O

RE: Managing versions of Apache Jakarta software

2002-03-28 Thread Leo Simons
and to think I haven't even downloaded it yet! :D *gets the feeling that the project marketing campaign for Maven has begun and wonders if he bought into a time share and singed up for a free seminar by accident* Leo Simons wrote: It would also be very nice if this were rolled into

Re: Managing versions of Apache Jakarta software

2002-03-28 Thread Peter Donald
On Fri, 29 Mar 2002 07:49, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: *gets the feeling that the project marketing campaign for Maven has begun and wonders if he bought into a time share and singed up for a free seminar by accident* The funny thing is that some of the people marketing maven haven't even

Re: Managing versions of Apache Jakarta software

2002-03-28 Thread Peter Donald
, that filled the gap (and perhaps eventually showed Javasoft the need for one.) regards, Adam -Original Message- From: Ted Husted [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 1:33 PM To: Jakarta General List Subject: Re: Managing versions of Apache Jakarta software

Re: Managing versions of Apache Jakarta software

2002-03-28 Thread Sam Ruby
Peter Donald wrote: On Fri, 29 Mar 2002 07:49, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: *gets the feeling that the project marketing campaign for Maven has begun and wonders if he bought into a time share and singed up for a free seminar by accident* The funny thing is that some of the people marketing maven

RE: Managing versions of Apache Jakarta software

2002-03-28 Thread Danny Angus
Pete Donald wrote: Anyways if there is a demand for this I can get it into the ant1.5 codebase earlier. I think what there ought to be a demand for is a Jakarta wide code of practice for declaring versions and dependancies, even if its only in documentation. I guess this just adds a

RE: Managing versions of Apache Jakarta software

2002-03-28 Thread ajack
Sam Ruby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: I very much like xml-commons-which. http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/xml-commons/java/src/org/apache/env/ It seems very useful, and I've only view it briefly [so I am no expert] but wouldn't it be better if classes/packages known or