Re: [GUMP] Build Failure - Turbine

2001-05-22 Thread Sam Ruby
Jason van Zyl wrote: > > What is going on here? I fixed this code almost two days ago. http://jakarta.apache.org/builds/gump/2001-05-21/cvs_index.html http://jakarta.apache.org/builds/gump/2001-05-22/cvs_index.html Compare this to the "good old days": http://jakarta.apache.org/builds/gump/2001-

RE: [GUMP] Build Failure - Turbine

2001-05-22 Thread Tim Vernum
From: Sam Ruby (23 May 2001 10:02 AM) > Jason van Zyl wrote: > > > > What is going on here? I fixed this code almost two days ago. > > http://jakarta.apache.org/builds/gump/2001-05-21/cvs_index.html > http://jakarta.apache.org/builds/gump/2001-05-22/cvs_index.html > > Compare this to the "good

RE: [GUMP] Build Failure - Turbine

2001-05-22 Thread Sam Ruby
Tim Vernum wrote: > > 1) The environment in which gump runs is not identical to the > environment the developers run (OS, jdk, jars, etc), and I'm > not sure if it is even well defined. It is well defined, and you can even run it yourself. Loosely, it can be described as "the latest CVS of e

RE: [GUMP] Build Failure - Turbine

2001-05-22 Thread Sam Ruby
Resending because in my haste, I left out a few crucial words...added in ALL CAPS. Tim Vernum wrote: > > 1) The environment in which gump runs is not identical to the > environment the developers run (OS, jdk, jars, etc), and I'm > not sure if it is even well defined. It is well defined, and

Re: [GUMP] Build Failure - Turbine

2001-05-22 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
Tim Vernum wrote: > > In general, I believe that automated build/test processes are *very* > important, an do work. > We've got some teams using CruiseControl here, and it is doing well. > The reasons I think that gump registers so many failures are: > > 1) The environment in which gump runs is n

Re: [GUMP] Build Failure - Turbine

2001-05-22 Thread Sam Ruby
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: > > There is nothing (other than the sloth of Daedalus) which prevents us > from adding any 'test' we want - Gump is running the Velocity testbed, > for example, which is more than interface-related, but functional as > well. That test suite takes 58 seconds to run. I t

RE: [GUMP] Build Failure - Turbine

2001-05-22 Thread Conor MacNeill
> > 3) Developers can't/don't test other projects. > >This is particularly relevant to ant, but also to some of the XML > > and (soon) commons modules. > >A number of build failures have been due to changes in ant. > >Ant should continue to be free to change things as needed to ma

Re: [GUMP] Build Failure - Turbine

2001-05-22 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
Sam Ruby wrote: > > Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: > > > > There is nothing (other than the sloth of Daedalus) which prevents us > > from adding any 'test' we want - Gump is running the Velocity testbed, > > for example, which is more than interface-related, but functional as > > well. > > That test

RE: [GUMP] Build Failure - Turbine

2001-05-22 Thread Craig R. McClanahan
Philosophical discussions are always worth a couple of cents of my own :-) On Wed, 23 May 2001, Tim Vernum wrote: > > From: Sam Ruby (23 May 2001 10:02 AM) > > > Jason van Zyl wrote: > > > > > > What is going on here? I fixed this code almost two days ago. > > > > http://jakarta.apache.org/bu