Re: [OT] FW: Sun Headquarter Briefings: Developing Web Services

Peter Donald wrote: > > On Fri, 10 Aug 2001 09:29, Geoff Soutter wrote: > > > Another key > > > difference is the emphasis on ubiquity. > > > > Yes, seems to me this one of the main difference (apart from the > > "marketing" aspects). This comes from using a public, "free" network rather > > than

Re: [OT] FW: Sun Headquarter Briefings: Developing Web Services

On Fri, 10 Aug 2001 09:29, Geoff Soutter wrote: > > Another key > > difference is the emphasis on ubiquity. > > Yes, seems to me this one of the main difference (apart from the > "marketing" aspects). This comes from using a public, "free" network rather > than private, fee based network to transm

Re: [OT] FW: Sun Headquarter Briefings: Developing Web Services

"Berin Loritsch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Geoff Soutter wrote: > > > > Isn't Web Services basically just the EDI concept with a trendy new name? [snip] > This is true to a large extent. There are two key differences though: the > information is in a standard format (XML) which only requires

Re: [OT] FW: Sun Headquarter Briefings: Developing Web Services

On Fri, 10 Aug 2001 03:48, Allen Levin wrote: > Gentlemen and Gentlewomen, > > I know that this is not the place but... Based on the last two discussions, > you aren't afraid of expressing you opinions. And, you are quite > experienced with open source, so please excuse the question but this seems

RE: [OT] FW: Sun Headquarter Briefings: Developing Web Services

Gentlemen and Gentlewomen, I know that this is not the place but... Based on the last two discussions, you aren't afraid of expressing you opinions. And, you are quite experienced with open source, so please excuse the question but this seems like a good place to ask it. My company is looking fo

Re: [OT] FW: Sun Headquarter Briefings: Developing Web Services

Geoff Soutter wrote: > > Isn't Web Services basically just the EDI concept with a trendy new name? > > Applications have been talking to each other across company boundaries since > the 80's after all. > > Just ask the car makers who've done all their purchasing, etc via "web > services" for ae

Re: [OT] FW: Sun Headquarter Briefings: Developing Web Services

"Peter Donald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The one advantage that I think Web Services could have is if an organization > was setup to standardize these high-level contracts. UN/EDIFACT. They've been doing this since the late 80's? :-) http://directory.google.com/Top/Business/E-Commerce/Standar

Re: [OT] FW: Sun Headquarter Briefings: Developing Web Services

Isn't Web Services basically just the EDI concept with a trendy new name? Applications have been talking to each other across company boundaries since the 80's after all. Just ask the car makers who've done all their purchasing, etc via "web services" for aeons ... :-) Geoff - Original Mes

Re: [OT] FW: Sun Headquarter Briefings: Developing Web Services

On Thu, 9 Aug 2001 03:16, Sam Ruby wrote: > Peter Donald wrote: > > It is basically yet another attempt to bring around interoperability much > > like all the various distributed object/rpc protocols (DCOM, IIOP etc). > > However the claim is that this time it will work because messages are > > p

Re: [OT] FW: Sun Headquarter Briefings: Developing Web Services

Umar Syyid wrote: > > Hi Berin, > > Berin Loritsch wrote: > > The compelling example that was given in WSDJ was a very simple web service to > > find out how much any book from Borders would cost in any currency. The cool > > part of SOAP and therefore WS is the support for transactions. You c

Re: [OT] FW: Sun Headquarter Briefings: Developing Web Services

Hi Berin, Berin Loritsch wrote: > The compelling example that was given in WSDJ was a very simple web service to > find out how much any book from Borders would cost in any currency. The cool > part of SOAP and therefore WS is the support for transactions. You can compose > larger WS from small

Re: [OT] FW: Sun Headquarter Briefings: Developing Web Services

Jon Stevens wrote: > > on 8/8/01 9:59 AM, "Berin Loritsch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > All the stuff I've read about for WebServices comprise > > UDDI, SOAP, and WSDL. > > > > The three combined provide a way to automatically discover remote resources > > that my webapp can use and then act

Re: [OT] FW: Sun Headquarter Briefings: Developing Web Services

Jon Stevens wrote: > > I'm surprised no one has mentioned JXTA. Where does that fall into this web > services picture? JXTA is P2P. WebServices tend to be client/server. Some would argue that if Web Services are the next big thing that P2P is the NEXT next big thing. - Sam Ruby -

RE: [OT] FW: Sun Headquarter Briefings: Developing Web Services

--Original Message- From: Jon Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 10:27 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [OT] FW: Sun Headquarter Briefings: Developing Web Services on 8/8/01 9:59 AM, "Berin Loritsch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > All

Re: [OT] FW: Sun Headquarter Briefings: Developing Web Services

Berin Loritsch wrote: > > > WebServices == SOAP is a good first order approximation. > > All the stuff I've read about for WebServices comprise > UDDI, SOAP, and WSDL. > > The three combined provide a way to automatically discover remote resources > that my webapp can use and then actually use it.

Re: [OT] FW: Sun Headquarter Briefings: Developing Web Services

on 8/8/01 9:59 AM, "Berin Loritsch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > All the stuff I've read about for WebServices comprise > UDDI, SOAP, and WSDL. > > The three combined provide a way to automatically discover remote resources > that my webapp can use and then actually use it. I'm surprised no one

Re: [OT] FW: Sun Headquarter Briefings: Developing Web Services

Peter Donald wrote: > > It is basically yet another attempt to bring around interoperability much > like all the various distributed object/rpc protocols (DCOM, IIOP etc). > However the claim is that this time it will work because messages are plain > text and that you use HTTP which is generally

Re: [OT] FW: Sun Headquarter Briefings: Developing Web Services

Sam Ruby wrote: > > Jon Stevens wrote: > > > > Can someone explain to me what the heck "web services" are so that I can > > decide whether or not this is even worthwhile to learn about? > > > > > > > > I'm guessing it is fancy marketing foo

Re: [OT] FW: Sun Headquarter Briefings: Developing Web Services

I guess you could say it's components with a networking twist. I don't know if it's the "next big thing", but it appears to be yet another piece of the buzzword puzzle to be aware of ;-) At 08:23 AM 8/8/2001 -0700, you wrote: >Can someone explain to me what the heck "web services" are so that I

Re: [OT] FW: Sun Headquarter Briefings: Developing Web Services

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jon Stevens writes: >Can someone explain to me what the heck "web services" are so that I can >decide whether or not this is even worthwhile to learn about? Right now it's mostly vapor, at least on the Sun ONE end of things. Too many of the Java APIs related to We

Re: [OT] FW: Sun Headquarter Briefings: Developing Web Services

Jon Stevens wrote: > > Can someone explain to me what the heck "web services" are so that I can > decide whether or not this is even worthwhile to learn about? > > > > I'm guessing it is fancy marketing foo about SOAP/XML-RPC or it is about h

Re: [OT] FW: Sun Headquarter Briefings: Developing Web Services

Hi, It is basically yet another attempt to bring around interoperability much like all the various distributed object/rpc protocols (DCOM, IIOP etc). However the claim is that this time it will work because messages are plain text and that you use HTTP which is generally not firewalled off. H

Re: [OT] FW: Sun Headquarter Briefings: Developing Web Services

on 8/8/01 8:34 AM, "Waldhoff, Rodney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It's an important part of optimizing your value Chain when dealing with > everything from SMEs to large scale enterprises. ;) HAHAHAHA I'm sure it will increase my ROI on my ENV when my SME hits my JSP and pukes all over my RTFM

RE: [OT] FW: Sun Headquarter Briefings: Developing Web Services

> I'm guessing it [web services] is fancy marketing foo about > SOAP/XML-RPC Correct. "Web Services" generally means SOAP/XML-RPC etc. It's an important part of optimizing your value Chain when dealing with everything from SMEs to large scale enterprises. ;) --