Re: download pages rethink

2004-07-19 Thread Stefan Bodewig
On Thu, 15 Jul 2004, Noel J. Bergman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I tend to disagree with your assertion that PGP signtures are less important than MD5 signatures. But then again, given how badly connected the PGP keys used to sign most Jakarta releases are, you are probably correct. A

Re: download pages rethink

2004-07-19 Thread Henning Schmiedehausen
I keep the keys that I've used to sign the releases that I have done on a floppy disk away from any networked system. If you have the sign keys on an Apache server and if these servers ever get hacked (and it _will_ happen), then you have compromised the whole chain of trust. I very much prefer

Re: download pages rethink

2004-07-18 Thread robert burrell donkin
On 18 Jul 2004, at 04:14, Henri Yandell wrote: While a single page is necessary for the casual browser, why would a user of Tomcat, who wants to download Tomcat 5, want to goto a list of many other subprojects? http://www.apache.org/dyn/closer.cgi/maven/binaries/maven-1.0.zip seems to be far

Re: download pages rethink

2004-07-17 Thread robert burrell donkin
On 15 Jul 2004, at 20:51, Stefan Bodewig wrote: snip BTW, I just now realized that we have a couple of releases that are neither PGP signed nor accompanied by MD5 hashes, this should be strongly discouraged IMHO. In particular since Ant supports generation of MD5 hashes since a few years now -

Re: download pages rethink

2004-07-17 Thread Howard Lewis Ship
I wish we could get away from PGP keys (though I understand it helps limit liability). It tends to be a decidely manual step, and error prone. I generate my PGP keys on my local machine and upload, it might be easier if I could figure out how to get my GnuPG key translated to a PGP key compatible

RE: download pages rethink

2004-07-17 Thread Noel J. Bergman
robert burrell donkin wrote: IMO signatures are more important (than md5 sums) for the ASF and less important for users. md5 sums are quick and easy to understand. If we were ever hacked, MD5 sums could be replaced without detection. That cannot be done with PGP keys, and we have had people

Re: download pages rethink

2004-07-17 Thread Henri Yandell
I was originally signing packages on the Apache server (as I wasn't used to installing PGP on machines I setup for dev work). It was recommended repeatedly that I get them off as it is a risk to the quality of the authentication. Hen On Sat, 17 Jul 2004, Howard Lewis Ship wrote: I wish we

Re: download pages rethink

2004-07-17 Thread Henri Yandell
While a single page is necessary for the casual browser, why would a user of Tomcat, who wants to download Tomcat 5, want to goto a list of many other subprojects? http://www.apache.org/dyn/closer.cgi/maven/binaries/maven-1.0.zip seems to be far more of what a user would want to see. However,

Re: download pages rethink

2004-07-15 Thread Stefan Bodewig
On Sun, 11 Jul 2004, robert burrell donkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i'm happy for discussion to continue on this list I feel more comfortable to do so, but that may be a personal thing. Discussions need to get the use of I to stick to a name and the Wiki really doesn't make this easy. I tend

download pages rethink

2004-07-11 Thread robert burrell donkin
i've created a document on the wiki (http://wiki.apache.org/jakarta/InfrastructureIssues/WebSite/ DownloadPages). i'm happy for discussion to continue on this list but i thought that it might be useful to have a base document. comment encouraged :) - robert