Re: [gentoo-amd64] AMD64 - Firefox, flash, java, mplayer and more....

2005-12-09 Thread milton . yates
Selon Nuitari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > You can have mplayer(64 bit) and mplayer-bin(32 bit) concurrently on a > gentoo installation. Whenever you need the 32 bit part just use > mplayer-bin This also works and enables the use of win32codecs on a 64 bit platform (using a 32bit mplayer of course). If

Re: [gentoo-amd64] AMD64 - Firefox, flash, java, mplayer and more....

2005-12-09 Thread Nuitari
One problem I see with your suggestion is that I need to play wmv files from web links and the win32codecs flag for mplayer is masked out on my box. Until I set this positive in my chroot'ed environment all I got was audio. With it turned on I get video also. If this cannot be turned on in the 64

Re: [gentoo-amd64] AMD64 - Firefox, flash, java, mplayer and more....

2005-12-08 Thread Sebastian Redl
Mark Knecht wrote: One problem I see with your suggestion is that I need to play wmv files from web links and the win32codecs flag for mplayer is masked out on my box. Until I set this positive in my chroot'ed environment all I got was audio. With it turned on I get video also. If this cannot b

Re: [gentoo-amd64] AMD64 - Firefox, flash, java, mplayer and more....

2005-12-08 Thread Mark Knecht
On 12/7/05, Milton Yates <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Le mercredi 07 décembre 2005 à 11:46 -0500, Nuitari a écrit : > > > 1) If I build and boot a 32-bit version of Gentoo it is my > > > understanding that the AMD64 will be completely 32-bit compatible and > > > that I can run whatever any other IA

Re: [gentoo-amd64] AMD64 - Firefox, flash, java, mplayer and more....

2005-12-07 Thread Milton Yates
Le mercredi 07 décembre 2005 à 11:46 -0500, Nuitari a écrit : > > 1) If I build and boot a 32-bit version of Gentoo it is my > > understanding that the AMD64 will be completely 32-bit compatible and > > that I can run whatever any other IA-32 machine can run. Is this > > correct? > > Yes > > > 2)

Re: [gentoo-amd64] AMD64 - Firefox, flash, java, mplayer and more....

2005-12-07 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Wed, 7 Dec 2005 14:24:06 -0600 (CST) "Brett Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > A slight change to the above. The requirement to use athlon-xp in the > 32-bit chroot is not for bit correctness, it is because GCC 3.3 doesnt > support amd64 specific -march setting. GCC 3.4 just recently went >

Re: [gentoo-amd64] AMD64 - Firefox, flash, java, mplayer and more....

2005-12-07 Thread Daniel Gryniewicz
On Wed, 2005-12-07 at 14:24 -0600, Brett Johnson wrote: > A slight change to the above. The requirement to use athlon-xp in the > 32-bit chroot is not for bit correctness, it is because GCC 3.3 doesnt > support amd64 specific -march setting. GCC 3.4 just recently went stable > for x86, so in theor

Re: [gentoo-amd64] AMD64 - Firefox, flash, java, mplayer and more....

2005-12-07 Thread Brett Johnson
>> >> A useful pointer - thanks. But it seems to assume that we use Athlon XP >> processors (FLAGS="-O2 -march=athlon-xp -msse2 -pipe >> -fomit-frame-pointer"). My box has Opterons, so I assume I should >> substitute "-march=opteron", no? >> >> I've found explanations a bit thin on the ground as

Re: [gentoo-amd64] AMD64 - Firefox, flash, java, mplayer and more....

2005-12-07 Thread Brett Johnson
typo on my part, athlon-xp > > athlon_xp or athlon-xp? The Gentoo doc for the chroot stated the > later. Or does it matter? > > Thanks, > Mark > > -- > gentoo-amd64@gentoo.org mailing list > > Random Thought: --- Peter Griffin: Waiting in line for bathroom after drinking prune smoot

Re: [gentoo-amd64] AMD64 - Firefox, flash, java, mplayer and more....

2005-12-07 Thread Mark Knecht
On 12/7/05, Brett Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > For the 32-bit chroot, you should use athlon_xp as that is > the most conservative setting for running in 32 bit mode on the k8 > architecture. athlon_xp or athlon-xp? The Gentoo doc for the chroot stated the later. Or does it matter? Thanks

Re: [gentoo-amd64] AMD64 - Firefox, flash, java, mplayer and more....

2005-12-07 Thread Brett Johnson
> > A useful pointer - thanks. But it seems to assume that we use Athlon XP > processors (FLAGS="-O2 -march=athlon-xp -msse2 -pipe > -fomit-frame-pointer"). My box has Opterons, so I assume I should > substitute "-march=opteron", no? > > I've found explanations a bit thin on the ground as to what t

Re: [gentoo-amd64] AMD64 - Firefox, flash, java, mplayer and more....

2005-12-07 Thread Mark Knecht
On 12/7/05, Daniel Gryniewicz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 2005-12-07 at 19:35 +, Peter Humphrey wrote: > > On Wed, 7 Dec 2005 10:44:01 -0600 (CST) > > "Brett Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Here is a good doc on how to set this up: > > > > > > http://www.gentoo.org/proj/e

Re: [gentoo-amd64] AMD64 - Firefox, flash, java, mplayer and more....

2005-12-07 Thread Daniel Gryniewicz
On Wed, 2005-12-07 at 19:35 +, Peter Humphrey wrote: > On Wed, 7 Dec 2005 10:44:01 -0600 (CST) > "Brett Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Here is a good doc on how to set this up: > > > > http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/base/amd64/howtos/index.xml?part=1&chap=3 > > A useful pointer - t

Re: [gentoo-amd64] AMD64 - Firefox, flash, java, mplayer and more....

2005-12-07 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Wed, 7 Dec 2005 10:44:01 -0600 (CST) "Brett Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Here is a good doc on how to set this up: > > http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/base/amd64/howtos/index.xml?part=1&chap=3 A useful pointer - thanks. But it seems to assume that we use Athlon XP processors (FLAGS="-O

Re: [gentoo-amd64] AMD64 - Firefox, flash, java, mplayer and more....

2005-12-07 Thread Sebastian Redl
Brett Johnson wrote: When the actual 32 bit X app starts up, it will use sockets to talk directly to your 64 bit X server. This is the same as starting a X application on a remote system with X forwarding. The actual code is executed on the remote system (what ever the platform is) and the disp

Re: [gentoo-amd64] AMD64 - Firefox, flash, java, mplayer and more....

2005-12-07 Thread Brett Johnson
> > I do find it surprising/curious/mystifying that I can run, for > instance, a 32-bit Firefox with 32-bit helper apps, all running from > the chrooted environment, but as far as I can tell, you are saying it > will be using a 64-bit version of X, along with 64-bit ATI drivers, > 64-bit Alsa and a

Re: [gentoo-amd64] AMD64 - Firefox, flash, java, mplayer and more....

2005-12-07 Thread Billy Holmes
Mark Knecht wrote: I'm sure I don't have this quite right in my mind yet. I presume that to build FIrefox and mplayer in the chrooted environemnt I will end up building a 32-bit version of X, etc., but I guess it's not used? exactly :) it just needs those 32-bit libraries to link against. All

Re: [gentoo-amd64] AMD64 - Firefox, flash, java, mplayer and more....

2005-12-07 Thread Mark Knecht
On 12/7/05, Brett Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Mark, > > 1) Yes, if you install x86 version of gentoo, it will be 100% functional > as a 32 bit OS. > > 2) You can install a 32 bit choot version of gentoo under you 64 bit os > and be able to run 32 bit apps in the chroot while still runni

Re: [gentoo-amd64] AMD64 - Firefox, flash, java, mplayer and more....

2005-12-07 Thread Brett Johnson
Hi Mark, 1) Yes, if you install x86 version of gentoo, it will be 100% functional as a 32 bit OS. 2) You can install a 32 bit choot version of gentoo under you 64 bit os and be able to run 32 bit apps in the chroot while still running the 64 bit os. This option will require additional disk space

Re: [gentoo-amd64] AMD64 - Firefox, flash, java, mplayer and more....

2005-12-07 Thread David Anderson
Mark Knecht wrote: Hi, My wife and I signed up for a class that is taught partially in person and to a great extent on the web. To use the material it's the usual set of requirements - Windows, IE or Firefox, Java, Flash, an audio player that plays stuff on the page, etc., or a Mac. My wife's

Re: [gentoo-amd64] AMD64 - Firefox, flash, java, mplayer and more....

2005-12-07 Thread Ben Skeggs
Am Mittwoch, den 07.12.2005, 08:39 -0800 schrieb Mark Knecht: >Some questions: > > 1) If I build and boot a 32-bit version of Gentoo it is my > understanding that the AMD64 will be completely 32-bit compatible and > that I can run whatever any other IA-32 machine can run. Is this > correct? Co

Re: [gentoo-amd64] AMD64 - Firefox, flash, java, mplayer and more....

2005-12-07 Thread Billy Holmes
Mark Knecht wrote: 2) If I build a 32-bit install is there anyway to run this 32-bit environment within the 64-bit environment? I assume not. that's exactly what a 32-bit chroot is. You run 64-bit, but you chroot into the 32-bit directory which basically has a copy of gentoo in it but with "a

Re: [gentoo-amd64] AMD64 - Firefox, flash, java, mplayer and more....

2005-12-07 Thread Daniel Gryniewicz
On Wed, 2005-12-07 at 08:39 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: > Hi, >My wife and I signed up for a class that is taught partially in > person and to a great extent on the web. To use the material it's the > usual set of requirements - Windows, IE or Firefox, Java, Flash, an > audio player that plays st

Re: [gentoo-amd64] AMD64 - Firefox, flash, java, mplayer and more....

2005-12-07 Thread Nuitari
1) If I build and boot a 32-bit version of Gentoo it is my understanding that the AMD64 will be completely 32-bit compatible and that I can run whatever any other IA-32 machine can run. Is this correct? Yes 2) If I build a 32-bit install is there anyway to run this 32-bit environment within th

[gentoo-amd64] AMD64 - Firefox, flash, java, mplayer and more....

2005-12-07 Thread Mark Knecht
Hi, My wife and I signed up for a class that is taught partially in person and to a great extent on the web. To use the material it's the usual set of requirements - Windows, IE or Firefox, Java, Flash, an audio player that plays stuff on the page, etc., or a Mac. My wife's 32-bit Gentoo machine