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Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
On Saturday 30 September 2006 01:39, Duncan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
about '[gentoo-amd64] Re: How To Play WMV (thread drift -slaveryware)':
Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted
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On Friday 29 September 2006 21:33, Bob Young [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote about 'RE: [gentoo-amd64] Re: How To Play WMV (thread
drift -slaveryware)':
Sorry, I use Outlook to read this list at work, and initially when I see
posts to the list from you, it says that the message has an invalid
On 9/29/06, Bob Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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On 9/29/06, Bob Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
it's true from Duncan's perspective because that's the way it *feels* to
him. In the end that's just feel good
On Saturday 30 September 2006 01:39, Duncan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
about '[gentoo-amd64] Re: How To Play WMV (thread drift -slaveryware)':
Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted
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Sep
2006 01:01:05 -0500:
Apparently his mailer
--- Bob Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That's a very shallow definition of the essence of
freedom, from the
perspective of most end users, your scenario doesn't
really change anything.
From the end users perspective s/he is still
dependent on someone else to
make the changes. I wouldn't say
Andrei Slavoiu wrote:
--- Bob Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That's a very shallow definition of the essence of
freedom, from the
perspective of most end users, your scenario doesn't
really change anything.
From the end users perspective s/he is still
dependent on someone else to
make the
Hey guys, this is an interesting debate, but could we please do it someplace
else? On the forums for example, that way the subscribers of this list don't
have to wake up to 50+ new off-topic messages from this list.
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Andrei Slavoiu wrote:
--- Bob Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That's a very shallow definition of the essence of
freedom, from the
perspective of most end users, your scenario doesn't
really change anything.
From the end users perspective s/he is still
dependent on someone else to
make the
On Sat, 30 Sep 2006, Martin Bergstrand wrote:
Hey guys, this is an interesting debate, but could we please do it someplace
else? On the forums for example, that way the subscribers of this list don't
have to wake up to 50+ new off-topic messages from this list.
I agree completely - it
Richard Fish wrote:
On 9/29/06, Bob Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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On 9/29/06, Bob Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
it's true from Duncan's perspective because that's the way it
*feels* to
him. In the end that's
Ian McCulloch wrote:
On Sat, 30 Sep 2006, Martin Bergstrand wrote:
Hey guys, this is an interesting debate, but could we please do it someplace
else? On the forums for example, that way the subscribers of this list don't
have to wake up to 50+ new off-topic messages from this list.
On Saturday 30 September 2006 15:21, Bob Young wrote:
I've never understood why people care about off topic threads. It's an
*email* list, thus it's reasonable to expect that most people are using
an email client or some derivative thereof to read the messages posted
to the list. With all
Joe Menola wrote:
On Saturday 30 September 2006 15:21, Bob Young wrote:
I've never understood why people care about off topic threads. It's an
*email* list, thus it's reasonable to expect that most people are using
an email client or some derivative thereof to read the messages posted
to the
On Saturday 30 September 2006 3:38 pm, Bob Young wrote:
U.if you have some desire to discuss the original topic is
there something that prevents you from either replying to a message
without the OT warning in the subject line, or posting a new message
with a subject indicating what you
Joe Menola wrote:
On Saturday 30 September 2006 3:38 pm, Bob Young wrote:
U.if you have some desire to discuss the original topic is
there something that prevents you from either replying to a message
without the OT warning in the subject line, or posting a new message
with a subject
it's stupid to say : open source (as GPL, LGPL, FLOSS etc..) is not
necessary as we can just buy open source (but closed in fact)
software. because of - closed source is IP (intellectuall property -
watever this means, abstractive and poor words) and NOBODY exept the
owner CAN modify it, change
Closed Source isn't Intellectual Property. Intellectual Property
merely is what it is. And what it is quite simply is 'property' (in
whatever physical manifestation that takes) generated by one's
Intellect(good old grey matter). Closed or Open source is merely a
legal framework that defines how
Subject: [gentoo-amd64] Re: How To Play WMV (thread drift - slaveryware)
Bob Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted
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Thu, 28 Sep 2006 15:43:12 -0700:
I fail to see that it really makes much of a difference whether Jane
Avgusr is dependent
Closed Source isn't Intellectual Property. Intellectual Property
merely is what it is. And what it is quite simply is 'property' (in
whatever physical manifestation that takes) generated by one's
Intellect(good old grey matter). Closed or Open source is merely a
legal framework that defines
There sure as heck is a difference between slaveryware and
freedomware. It may seem to you that, for non-programmers, there is
no difference between not being able to recode Microsoft or Apple
software vs Linux software, but there is a world of difference. With
proprietary software, there is
On Thu, Sep 28, 2006 at 04:03:25PM -0700, Bob Young wrote:
That's almost entirely a theoretical difference, in the real world
this freedom is actually exercised very little if at all.
Almost?!? How many people actually use the freedoms guaranteed by the
US constitution? For almost all of
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Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 10:36 PM
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It absolutely is just like a car, or a house, or anything else. If my
house could only be modified by the original builder, it would never
be modified -- I'd never even get a picture hung for want of being
able to put a nail in a stud. Now maybe I
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I am sure you've got the best of intentions, but as far as I
On Fri, Sep 29, 2006 at 12:23:12PM -0700, Bob Sanders wrote:
I run Linux, and Gentoo specifically, because I dislike being told
what I can do on my computer and how I am to do it. I run an AMD platform
because I dislike being told there is one way my platform shall operate,
and from whom I
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With Linux, even
if I can't do it, there are hundreds
[EMAIL PROTECTED], mused, then expounded:
I have long had a fantasy of sorts of someone coming out with a
generic processor taht could be reconfigured on the fly -- of coming
up with my own instruction set for it, so a custom gcc backend could
produce code for it, and it would be immune to
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On Thu, Sep 28, 2006 at 04:03:25PM -0700, Bob Young wrote
On 9/29/06, Bob Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm not saying he doesn't have the freedom to use them, I'm suggesting that
they are inaccurate and their connotations don't reflect the true
relationship between vendors and users, and for that reason their use should
be reconsidered.
But they
On Fri, Sep 29, 2006 at 01:41:36PM -0700, Bob Young wrote:
Article 1 - Free exercise of religion: Lots of people every day.
Article 2 - Right to keep and bear arms: Regulated, but many many people own
guns.
Article 12 - Right to vote: True that the percentage of voter turn out isn't
as high
On Fri, Sep 29, 2006 at 01:10:15PM -0700, Bob Young wrote:
Analogies suck, software isn't a car, or a house, or anything else, it's
software. If you can't make you're point without analogies, maybe you
haven't thought it through clearly enough.
Heh. Analogies are beyond your grasp, eh? I
On 9/29/06, Bob Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That's a very shallow definition of the essence of freedom, from the
perspective of most end users, your scenario doesn't really change anything.
From the end users perspective s/he is still dependent on someone else to
make the changes. I wouldn't
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On 9/29/06, Bob Young [EMAIL
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On Fri, Sep 29, 2006 at 01:41:36PM -0700, Bob Young wrote
On 9/29/06, Bob Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But they *do* accurately reflect the relationship between vendors and
users from Duncan's viewpoint. Your viewpoint is obviously different,
but doesn't mean yours is the only true one.
Oh please, spare me the relative truth crap. You can argue
On 9/29/06, Richard Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 9/29/06, Bob Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But they *do* accurately reflect the relationship between vendors and
users from Duncan's viewpoint. Your viewpoint is obviously different,
but doesn't mean yours is the only true one.
Oh
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On 9/29/06, Bob Young [EMAIL
On 9/29/06, Bob Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Would you go to war, or be willing to die for the freedom that open source
provides? If not, then equating it with the freedoms that real mean and
women have fought and died for is to marginalize the importance the word is
meant to convey.
No, but
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On 9/29/06, Bob Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That's a very shallow definition
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On 9/29/06, Bob Young [EMAIL
On Friday 29 September 2006 15:10, Bob Young [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote about 'RE: [gentoo-amd64] Re: How To Play WMV (thread drift -
slaveryware)':
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With Linux, even
if I can't do it, there are hundreds
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Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 5:21 PM
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Subject: [gentoo-amd64] Re: How To Play WMV (thread drift -slaveryware)
Bob Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted
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Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 5:31 PM
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I think Duncan has adequately justified his use
On Friday 29 September 2006 19:01, Bob Young [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote about 'RE: [gentoo-amd64] Re: How To Play WMV (thread
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No, No, NO! *anybody* can't!
Yes, anybody can. However, most people decide that the effort required for
them to make the change is greater than
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Bob Young wrote:
That being said, way less than 5 percent of the population has even
the slightest bit of interest in learning the things that you and I
have chosen to dig in to...Those people are no less free for using
CSS, and the fact is,
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Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 6:33 PM
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For me (and it appears for you as well), a greater
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On Friday 29 September 2006 19:01, Bob Young [EMAIL
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Bob Young
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Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 3:27 AM
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Subject: [gentoo-amd64] Re: How To Play WMV?
I didn't
switch to Linux after a decade on slaveryware just to be enslaved by a
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Bob Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted
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On Thursday 28 September 2006 16:32, Bob Young [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote about 'RE: [gentoo-amd64] Re: How To Play WMV (thread drift -
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Bob Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted
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On Thursday 28 September 2006 13:16, Bob Young
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On Thursday 28 September 2006 16:32, Bob Young
very very easy. to understand all this...
OK, lets see the simple example.
I have ATI card with x.org-7.1 drivers, nothing speciall - just poor BUT
stable 2D 3D
I probably COULD use closed-source driver
BUT if my machine then will NOT work properly, I will achieve memory
leaks etc (past
Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
No, they aren't. They can use another mechanic. Instead of having to
consult *one particular entity* they can consult *any entity of a
particular class*. They gain a choice, which means they have more
freedom.
Uhuh, I'm sure the Debian devs will gladly fix a
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