Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposal: sys-pam category

2005-06-06 Thread Jan Jitse Venselaar
On Sunday 05 June 2005 23:55, Ned Ludd wrote: On Sun, 2005-06-05 at 16:57 -0400, Nathan L. Adams wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Well obviously there needs to be a consensus on *how* to logically organize things before anyone goes willy nilly changing stuff. Do

[gentoo-dev] Re: Proposal: sys-pam category

2005-06-06 Thread sf
Michael Cummings wrote: Solar, I realize you meant this as a general statement of opinion and not a flame-baiter, but can you elaborate on: On Sunday 05 June 2005 11:37, Ned Ludd wrote: Invalidates binary package trees. My (wrong?) understanding was that this is addressed when

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Proposal: sys-pam category

2005-06-06 Thread Jason Stubbs
On Monday 06 June 2005 23:06, sf wrote: I always thought it was known that fixpackages is a non-working kludge; my portage tree/binary packages get messed up with almost every package move, rename etc. If fixpackages is supposed to be working who should I assign my soon to be regular,

[gentoo-dev] New developer: Shyam Mani (fox2mike)

2005-06-06 Thread Tom Martin
Hi list, Shyam Mani, or fox2mike as some of you know him, has just joined up to help out with documentation. He lives in Bangalore, India, having been born in Dubai. Having just finished his Bachelor of Engineering in Computer Science, he now works for a technology consutancy firm called Exocore.

Re: [gentoo-dev] New developer: Shyam Mani (fox2mike)

2005-06-06 Thread Alin Dobre
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tom Martin wrote: Hi list, Shyam Mani, or fox2mike as some of you know him, has just joined up to help out with documentation. He lives in Bangalore, India, having been born in Dubai. Having just finished his Bachelor of Engineering in

[gentoo-dev] OT: Survey facing design patterns and communication

2005-06-06 Thread Nico
Hello everybody! We are a group of students at Freie Universitaet Berlin. As part of our computer science studies we are going to do a survey facing the use of design patterns in communication. Examples of design patterns are Abstract Factory, Singleton, Composite, Iterator and Listener. If

Re: [gentoo-dev] New developer: Shyam Mani (fox2mike)

2005-06-06 Thread Shyam Mani
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 José Alberto Suárez López wrote: hey!! congratulations :) Thanks a lot BaSS, Glad to be here ;) - -- Shyam Mani Gentoo Documentation Project - http://gdp.gentoo.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG Fingerprint: 1862 2699 5631 06E1 ADA0 4269 6193 5880 FDD0

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposal: sys-pam category

2005-06-06 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
I'm with Ned fozer on this, in general at least. This is the second time this issue has come up over the last month or so; it's what kicks off the flat-tree debate. My preference in practice is to leave the current tree allocation of packages to categories well alone (to avoid unnecessary

[gentoo-dev] ekeyword and ordering

2005-06-06 Thread Aron Griffis
Hi guys, As some of you have noticed, I made a change recently in ekeyword that causes ekeyword to alphabetize the keywords. I've realized I should have brought it up for discussion before making the change to the program. On that note, I apologize for unilaterally making that change without

Re: [gentoo-dev] ekeyword and ordering

2005-06-06 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Monday 06 June 2005 06:26 pm, Aron Griffis wrote: alpha i'm all for alpha (as many know seeing as how they've cursed me profusely when i first started doing it) ... seeing as how i tend to mark for 4 or 5 arches, alpha is a huge help since i know about where to look in the list also,

[gentoo-dev] Re: ekeyword and ordering

2005-06-06 Thread Michael Sterrett -Mr. Bones.-
On Mon, 6 Jun 2005, Aron Griffis wrote: As some of you have noticed, I made a change recently in ekeyword that causes ekeyword to alphabetize the keywords. I've realized I should The games team has been alphabetizing keywords for some time. Just an added datapoint. Michael Sterrett -Mr.

Re: [gentoo-dev] ekeyword and ordering

2005-06-06 Thread Lars Weiler
* Aron Griffis [EMAIL PROTECTED] [05/06/06 18:26 -0400]: alpha - - looks nicer (subjective) - easier to tell at a glance if a given keyword is in the list I'm for this. You can easily compare two ebuilds' KEYWORDS, when you have the same order.

Re: [gentoo-dev] ekeyword and ordering

2005-06-06 Thread Stephen P. Becker
Mike Frysinger wrote: On Monday 06 June 2005 06:26 pm, Aron Griffis wrote: alpha i'm all for alpha (as many know seeing as how they've cursed me profusely when i first started doing it) ... seeing as how i tend to mark for 4 or 5 arches, alpha is a huge help since i know about

[gentoo-dev] where goes Gentoo?

2005-06-06 Thread Aron Griffis
This is kinda bloggish, because it's basically a transcription of an IRC monologue. My apologies if it's hard to follow... Nonetheless, I'm interested in how other developers feel on the topics I bring up below. There have been some really interesting points brought up recently about where is

Re: [gentoo-dev] where goes Gentoo?

2005-06-06 Thread Colin Kingsley
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Aron Griffis wrote: I have worked in the enterprise UNIX market for 6 years. My code is running in places like NASA mission control, 9-1-1 call centers, and most of the telephone carriers. I've produced patches on weekends to close $800m deals.

Re: [gentoo-dev] where goes Gentoo?

2005-06-06 Thread Lance Albertson
On Mon, 2005-06-06 at 19:55 -0400, Aron Griffis wrote: snip In my humble opinion, Gentoo is missing too many points to be an enterprise Linux. We commit to a live tree. We don't have true QA, testing or tinderbox. We don't have paid staff, alpha/beta/rc cycles. We don't really have

Re: [gentoo-dev] where goes Gentoo?

2005-06-06 Thread Dylan Carlson
On Monday 06 June 2005 16:55, Aron Griffis wrote: I think that attempting to take Gentoo in the enterprise direction is a mistake. I think that we are a hobbyist distribution. This doesn't mean that we should not strive to meet some of the enterprise goals. Those things can be important to

Re: [gentoo-dev] where goes Gentoo?

2005-06-06 Thread Corey Shields
On Mon, 2005-06-06 at 19:55 -0400, Aron Griffis wrote: In my humble opinion, Gentoo is missing too many points to be an enterprise Linux. We commit to a live tree. We don't have true QA, testing or tinderbox. We don't have paid staff, alpha/beta/rc cycles. We don't really have product

Re: [gentoo-dev] where goes Gentoo?

2005-06-06 Thread Dylan Carlson
On Monday 06 June 2005 19:45, Collins Richey wrote: 2. Enterprise users (as a general rule) are not interested in the latest and greatest but rather in a stable, reasonably current system that can remain in place (with guaranteed security fixes, of course) with no feature creep for a few

Re: [gentoo-dev] where goes Gentoo?

2005-06-06 Thread Dylan Carlson
On Monday 06 June 2005 20:36, Mike Frysinger wrote: you really cant make that kind of general statement and expect it to hold ... often times there are packages where newer versions suck more than previous ones (the way in which they suck i leave up to your imagination) ... security/stable

Re: [gentoo-dev] where goes Gentoo?

2005-06-06 Thread Greg KH
On Mon, Jun 06, 2005 at 07:55:50PM -0400, Aron Griffis wrote: I'd like Gentoo to be a place where neat things are developed. If RH or SuSE (or another for-profit Linux vendor) wants to take some of those developments and use them to make a profit, that's fine with me. We're over here having

Re: [gentoo-dev] where goes Gentoo?

2005-06-06 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
I'm not a developer, but I'm a Gentoo bigot and I'd like to join the discussion :). Aron Griffis wrote: In my humble opinion, Gentoo is missing too many points to be an enterprise Linux. We commit to a live tree. We don't have true QA, testing or tinderbox. We don't have paid staff,

Re: [gentoo-dev] where goes Gentoo?

2005-06-06 Thread Lance Albertson
On Mon, 2005-06-06 at 21:51 -0700, Greg KH wrote: One thing that people might want to remember, if Gentoo ever changes into a real, we take your money for support type of distro, a lot of the employers of the us developers might reconsider allowing them to participate. Which would pretty

Re: [gentoo-dev] where goes Gentoo?

2005-06-06 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote: I've got a Zaurus; it's running some kind of Linux and I'll probably put Gentoo on it when I get some spare cycles, provided Gentoo runs on the 6000. But I'm sure as hell not gonna try to run R or TeXmacs or Maxima on it! Dang -- I just remembered -- I *am*

Re: [gentoo-dev] where goes Gentoo?

2005-06-06 Thread James Northrup
On Jun 6, 2005, at 4:55 PM, Aron Griffis wrote: This is kinda bloggish, because it's basically a transcription of an IRC monologue. My apologies if it's hard to follow... Nonetheless, I'm interested in how other developers feel on the topics I bring up below. overlay capabilities are