Re: [gentoo-dev] combining x86 and amd64

2005-09-04 Thread Christian Parpart
On Friday 02 September 2005 06:28, Lance Albertson wrote: Grant Goodyear wrote: Christian Parpart wrote: [Thu Sep 01 2005, 05:45:43PM CDT] This just leads me to assume you're not really a coder (wrt native programming languages like C/C++), are you? *Grin* This sort of condescending

[gentoo-dev] Test message. Please ignore.

2005-09-04 Thread Sergey Kuleshov
sorry, this is just test, please ignore. -- Sergey Kuleshov[EMAIL PROTECTED] Home Page: http://svyatogor.gnns.net Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 158439855 -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

[gentoo-dev] 2005.1 profile gives devfs as virtual

2005-09-04 Thread Philip Webb
Having gone over to Udev, I went to unmerge Devfs got a big red warning. It appears that the 2005.1 profile gives Devfs as a virtual: is this an oversight or is there a reason behind it ? I would have assumed that Udev would now be the required device manager.

Re: [gentoo-dev] 2005.1 profile gives devfs as virtual

2005-09-04 Thread Stephen P. Becker
Philip Webb wrote: Having gone over to Udev, I went to unmerge Devfs got a big red warning. It appears that the 2005.1 profile gives Devfs as a virtual: is this an oversight or is there a reason behind it ? I would have assumed that Udev would now be the required device manager.

Re: [gentoo-dev] 2005.1 profile gives devfs as virtual

2005-09-04 Thread Sebastian Bergmann
Philip Webb schrieb: /usr/portage/profiles/default-linux/x86/2005.1/2.4/virtuals : You are using the 2.4 subprofile of 2005.1. -- Sebastian Bergmann http://www.sebastian-bergmann.de/ GnuPG Key: 0xB85B5D69 / 27A7 2B14 09E4 98CD 6277 0E5B 6867 C514 B85B 5D69 signature.asc

[gentoo-dev] tentative x86 arch team glep

2005-09-04 Thread Grant Goodyear
Dear all, Here's a GLEP that I'm thinking about right now. It's not yet official, since I'd like to get some feedback beforehand (which helps to ensure that I'm not abusing my GLEP-editor powers). If you have additional arguments either pro or con, please send them my way so that I may

[gentoo-dev] Mail server problems (missing inbox)

2005-09-04 Thread Ferris McCormick
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Since the 2nd, I have discovered that my ISP has messed up my primary inbox, so I have received almost no mail, including anything to an @gentoo.org address. I have now forwarded (I believe) @gentoo mail to what appears to be a good address for me.

Re: [gentoo-dev] combining x86 and amd64

2005-09-04 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 11:08:58 +0200 Christian Parpart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Maybe I do not understand the diffference between I assume and I | know, and I know I meant the first, however, in that case, Grant, | I do not know why you're requesting this combine when you know about | these issues

Re: [gentoo-dev] 2005.1 profile gives devfs as virtual

2005-09-04 Thread Philip Webb
050904 Sebastian Bergmann wrote: Philip Webb schrieb: /usr/portage/profiles/default-linux/x86/2005.1/2.4/virtuals : You are using the 2.4 subprofile of 2005.1. The 2.4 subdir is the place I found Devfs mentioned, but I don't seem to be using that subdir. I actually have /etc/make.profile

[gentoo-dev] Packages for mixed PHP4/PHP5 environment added to Portage

2005-09-04 Thread Stuart Herbert
Hi, The PHP Herd is pleased to announce that it has added new packages to Portage which will allow Gentoo to provide stable PHP4 and PHP5 packages on the same box at the same time. These packages have come from the successful PHP Overlay [1]. At the heart of these packages is the new

Re: [gentoo-dev] eselect modules

2005-09-04 Thread Bjarke Istrup Pedersen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jeremy Huddleston skrev: I've recently updated opengl-update to use the eselect framework. I think the team has done a great job as it was extremely easy to port the bash script to an eselect module. However, when I placed it in the portage

Re: [gentoo-dev] 2005.1 profile gives devfs as virtual

2005-09-04 Thread Andrew Gaffney
Philip Webb wrote: 050904 Sebastian Bergmann wrote: Philip Webb schrieb: /usr/portage/profiles/default-linux/x86/2005.1/2.4/virtuals : You are using the 2.4 subprofile of 2005.1. The 2.4 subdir is the place I found Devfs mentioned, but I don't seem to be using that subdir. I actually

Re: [gentoo-dev] 2005.1 profile gives devfs as virtual

2005-09-04 Thread Mike Williams
On Sunday 04 September 2005 15:11, Philip Webb wrote: Having gone over to Udev, I went to unmerge Devfs got a big red warning. It appears that the 2005.1 profile gives Devfs as a virtual: is this an oversight or is there a reason behind it ? I would have assumed that Udev would now be the

Re: [gentoo-dev] tentative x86 arch team glep

2005-09-04 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 09:37:11 -0500 Grant Goodyear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | There will be a considerable one-time cost involved in establishing a | robust x86 arch team. Justify this please. If there is a cost associated, the details of this cost should be provided. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo

Re: [gentoo-dev] tentative x86 arch team glep

2005-09-04 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Sunday 04 September 2005 10:37 am, Grant Goodyear wrote: This policy for x86 is quite different from how every other arch marks packages stable.  For the non-x86 archs, each arch has a specific arch team which is responsible for moving packages from ``~arch`` to ``arch``.  This approach has

Re: [gentoo-dev] 2005.1 profile gives devfs as virtual

2005-09-04 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Sunday 04 September 2005 01:36 pm, Philip Webb wrote: 050904 Sebastian Bergmann wrote: Philip Webb schrieb: /usr/portage/profiles/default-linux/x86/2005.1/2.4/virtuals : You are using the 2.4 subprofile of 2005.1. So when I enter 'emerge -Cp devfsd', why do I get : !!! Trying to

Re: [gentoo-dev] 2005.1 profile gives devfs as virtual

2005-09-04 Thread Philip Webb
050904 Andrew Gaffney wrote: Philip Webb wrote: I actually have /etc/make.profile - /usr/portage/profiles/default-linux/x86/2005.1 So when I enter 'emerge -Cp devfsd', why do I get : !!! Trying to unmerge package(s) in system profile. 'sys-fs/devfsd' !!! This could be damaging to your

Re: [gentoo-dev] tentative x86 arch team glep

2005-09-04 Thread Stuart Herbert
Hi Grant, On Sun, 2005-09-04 at 09:37 -0500, Grant Goodyear wrote: Dear all, Here's a GLEP that I'm thinking about right now. It's not yet official, since I'd like to get some feedback beforehand (which helps to ensure that I'm not abusing my GLEP-editor powers). If you have additional

Re: [gentoo-dev] tentative x86 arch team glep

2005-09-04 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 20:48:52 +0100 Stuart Herbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Introduce a new arch keyword maint, to turn the concept of the | maintainer arch from an intangible into something real. Package | maintainers can then mark packages ~maint or maint as required, | and leave the real arch

Re: [gentoo-dev] tentative x86 arch team glep

2005-09-04 Thread Stuart Herbert
On Sun, 2005-09-04 at 14:16 -0500, Grant Goodyear wrote: * Having bodies on [EMAIL PROTECTED] is just the starting point. The more difficult part will be convincing people that it is in their best interests to do things this way. Similarly, what do we do with devs who refuse? All

Re: [gentoo-dev] tentative x86 arch team glep

2005-09-04 Thread Stuart Herbert
On Sun, 2005-09-04 at 21:05 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: Workable for a certain category of packages so long as it's advisory only. Workable for the vast majority of packages in the tree I expect. Arch teams need to be allowed to override maintainers where appropriate, Why not talk to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Packages for mixed PHP4/PHP5 environment added to Portage

2005-09-04 Thread Jason Wever
On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 18:47:30 +0100 Stuart Herbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We hope to move these packages to ~arch (on architectures that the PHP Herd supports) on Thursday 8th September, as part of our migration plans [2]. If you find any problems with the packages, please file bugs in

Re: [gentoo-dev] tentative x86 arch team glep

2005-09-04 Thread Joshua Baergen
Stuart Herbert wrote: The introduction of the x86 arch team will, at some point, turn the x86 arch team into a bottleneck (just like all the other arch teams already are) A possible way to alleviate this is proactivity on the maintainer's part. Our current rule for going testing-stable is

Re: [gentoo-dev] tentative x86 arch team glep

2005-09-04 Thread Grant Goodyear
Vapier wrote: [Sun Sep 04 2005, 01:00:41PM CDT] this isnt quite true ... non-x86 archs usually take their queues for when packages should be moved to stable from the maintainer of the package Perfectly reasonable. in other words, arch teams generally defer to maintainers (and rightly so) as

Re: [gentoo-dev] tentative x86 arch team glep

2005-09-04 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 15:53:07 -0500 Grant Goodyear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | I'm still thinking about the concept of a maint option. This | question I can answer, however. It's not unheard of for a package | with a lot of dependencies to be marked stable when one of the | dependencies has not yet

Re: [gentoo-dev] tentative x86 arch team glep

2005-09-04 Thread Homer Parker
On Sun, 2005-09-04 at 14:40 -0600, Joshua Baergen wrote: A possible way to alleviate this is proactivity on the maintainer's part. Our current rule for going testing-stable is 30 days. If we could alert the arch teams x number of days in advance they could test it before the end of the

Re: [gentoo-dev] tentative x86 arch team glep

2005-09-04 Thread Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
On Sunday 04 September 2005 22:53, Grant Goodyear wrote: I tend to think that's fair.  At least in my view, the goal is not to minimize the importance of package maintainers, but simply to separate package maintainance from tree maintainance. That's right. I think this is good, as a maintainer.

Re: [gentoo-dev] tentative x86 arch team glep

2005-09-04 Thread Jason Wever
On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 15:43:11 -0500 Grant Goodyear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree that the arch teams shouldn't be marking packages stable in advance of when the the maintainer thinks it's ready. At the same time, it's the respective arch teams, as owners of their entire stable tree, who (in

Re: [gentoo-dev] tentative x86 arch team glep

2005-09-04 Thread Stuart Herbert
Hi Grant, On Sun, 2005-09-04 at 15:53 -0500, Grant Goodyear wrote: I'm still thinking about the concept of a maint option. This question I can answer, however. It's not unheard of for a package with a lot of dependencies to be marked stable when one of the dependencies has not yet been so

Re: [gentoo-dev] tentative x86 arch team glep

2005-09-04 Thread Stuart Herbert
On Sun, 2005-09-04 at 21:57 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: Yeah, foser's on holiday. Good time to push the GLEP through. How typical of you to try and drag this discussion down into something personal :( If you keep feeling the need to do this, do everyone a favour and keep your mouth shut

Re: [gentoo-dev] tentative x86 arch team glep

2005-09-04 Thread Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
On Sunday 04 September 2005 23:35, Jason Wever wrote: For the most part, this makes sense,  However we do have times where a particular arch team may need to stabilize a package sooner in the case where earlier versions are broken. Why this remembers me xine-lib on sparc? :)) -- Diego

Re: [gentoo-dev] tentative x86 arch team glep

2005-09-04 Thread Stuart Herbert
On Sun, 2005-09-04 at 21:59 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: If it isn't fit to be marked stable, it shouldn't be out of package.mask. ~arch means candidate for going stable after more testing, not might work. Agreed, but we both know that it's just not how many devs work atm. Perhaps that is a

Re: [gentoo-dev] tentative x86 arch team glep

2005-09-04 Thread Stuart Herbert
On Sun, 2005-09-04 at 15:45 -0600, Jason Wever wrote: This is the current policy, though it gets violated quite often. Maybe the answer is to have separate trees for arches and general packages then? That would be one solution. (Although not one that I'd personally prefer. I'd rather the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Packages for mixed PHP4/PHP5 environment added to Portage

2005-09-04 Thread Stuart Herbert
On Sun, 2005-09-04 at 14:31 -0600, Jason Wever wrote: I've filed notes in the tracker bug you put in the Gentoo Bugzilla but other than your initial response, I haven't gotten any feedback on them. Sorry, I hadn't realised you were waiting for a response from us. That's now sorted. I

Re: [gentoo-dev] tentative x86 arch team glep

2005-09-04 Thread Jason Wever
On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 22:54:02 +0100 Stuart Herbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe the answer is to have separate trees for arches and general packages then? That would be one solution. (Although not one that I'd personally prefer. I'd rather the package maintainers learned to work within

Re: [gentoo-dev] tentative x86 arch team glep

2005-09-04 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 22:43:20 +0100 Stuart Herbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | On Sun, 2005-09-04 at 21:57 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: | Yeah, foser's on holiday. Good time to push the GLEP through. | | How typical of you to try and drag this discussion down into something | personal :( If you

[gentoo-dev] i8k with torsmo

2005-09-04 Thread Lares Moreau
I'm addding functionality to torsmo by adding support for i8k, The dell laptop utils. I am using existing source code from the i8kutils package to extend this functionality. Now my question is, Since I am using source code from i8kutils and adding it to torsmo, which would be the most

[gentoo-dev] Re: i8k with torsmo

2005-09-04 Thread Lares Moreau
Nevermind, torsmo is superseeded by conky. On Mon, 2006-09-04 at 16:51 -0600, Lares Moreau wrote: I'm addding functionality to torsmo by adding support for i8k, The dell laptop utils. I am using existing source code from the i8kutils package to extend this functionality. Now my question

Re: [gentoo-dev] tentative x86 arch team glep

2005-09-04 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Mon, 5 Sep 2005 1:12:54 +0200 Kevin F. Quinn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | 3) All packages need to be assigned an x86 arch team member |responsible. Why? | 6) I notice the amd64 team requre their arch testers to |take the ebuild quiz; I think this is a bit harsh, as |arch testers are

Re: [gentoo-dev] tentative x86 arch team glep

2005-09-04 Thread Homer Parker
On Mon, 2005-09-05 at 01:12 +0200, Kevin F. Quinn wrote: 6) I notice the amd64 team requre their arch testers to take the ebuild quiz; I think this is a bit harsh, as arch testers are regular users without commit access to CVS etc. A simpler quiz targetted at ensuring the arch

Re: [gentoo-dev] tentative x86 arch team glep

2005-09-04 Thread Daniel Goller
On Sunday 04 September 2005 03:59 pm, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 21:26:37 +0100 Stuart Herbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Arch teams need to be allowed to override maintainers where | appropriate, | | Why not talk to the package maintainers instead, and convince them |

Re: [gentoo-dev] tentative x86 arch team glep

2005-09-04 Thread Daniel Goller
On Sunday 04 September 2005 04:52 pm, Stuart Herbert wrote: On Sun, 2005-09-04 at 21:59 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: If it isn't fit to be marked stable, it shouldn't be out of package.mask. ~arch means candidate for going stable after more testing, not might work. Agreed, but we both

[gentoo-dev] aging ebuilds with unstable keywords

2005-09-04 Thread Daniel Ahlberg
Hi, This is an automatically created email message. http://gentoo.tamperd.net/stable has just been updated with 11795 ebuilds. The page shows results from a number of tests that are run against the ebuilds. The tests are: * if a version has been masked for 30 days or more. * if an arch was in