[gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: packages going into the tree with non-gentoo maintainers

2006-09-07 Thread Stefan Schweizer
Luca Barbato wrote: Carsten Lohrke wrote: On Sunday 03 September 2006 16:36, Stefan Schweizer wrote: I am not adding stuff. I am fixing existing packages. And I am taking responsibility. How wonderful this sort of maintenance is you can read here:

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: packages going into the tree with non-gentoo maintainers

2006-09-07 Thread Stuart Herbert
On 9/7/06, Carsten Lohrke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How wonderful this sort of maintenance is you can read here: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=146626 Am I the only one who has a problem with this? No. And I'm sure I'm not the only one who has a problem with your comment in that bug

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: packages going into the tree with non-gentoo maintainers

2006-09-07 Thread Danny van Dyk
Am Donnerstag, 7. September 2006 11:11 schrieb Stuart Herbert: On 9/7/06, Carsten Lohrke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How wonderful this sort of maintenance is you can read here: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=146626 Am I the only one who has a problem with this? No. And I'm

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: packages going into the tree with non-gentoo maintainers

2006-09-07 Thread Jon Portnoy
On Thu, Sep 07, 2006 at 12:17:27PM +0200, Danny van Dyk wrote: Am Donnerstag, 7. September 2006 11:11 schrieb Stuart Herbert: On 9/7/06, Carsten Lohrke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How wonderful this sort of maintenance is you can read here: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=146626

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: packages going into the tree with non-gentoo maintainers

2006-09-07 Thread Simon Stelling
Alec Warner wrote: If you can't work it out, you talk to your project lead. If THEY can't work it out, you talk to the ombudsman, and so forth. Everyone knows the policy and yet no one follows it. I don't want to see this thread continue; you know what you have to do.[1] [1]

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: packages going into the tree with non-gentoo maintainers

2006-09-07 Thread Stephen P. Becker
Brian Harring wrote: On Wed, Sep 06, 2006 at 10:37:21PM -0400, Stephen P. Becker wrote: Carsten Lohrke wrote: On Sunday 03 September 2006 16:36, Stefan Schweizer wrote: I am not adding stuff. I am fixing existing packages. And I am taking responsibility. How wonderful this sort of

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: packages going into the tree with non-gentoo maintainers

2006-09-07 Thread Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
On Thursday 07 September 2006 04:09, Carsten Lohrke wrote: How wonderful this sort of maintenance is you can read here: I'll try to overlook the reverted changes in kdelibs for bug fixes, the improper ${ROOT} injected in my changes where it wasn't supposed to be, the broken opengl on kdelibs

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: packages going into the tree with non-gentoo maintainers

2006-09-07 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Thursday 07 September 2006 07:58, Stefan Schweizer wrote: I am part of the kde herd, thanks. To my knowledge you have never asked to join the KDE team, nor did I see you helping tracking down KDE bug reports ever. Just adding yourself doesn't work. Carsten pgp7tjbj1KWLV.pgp

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: packages going into the tree with non-gentoo maintainers

2006-09-07 Thread Jakub Moc
Stephen P. Becker wrote: Brian Harring wrote: The proper forum for crap like this is via taking it up with QA/devrel. Screaming about a change on the ml doesn't accomplish anything more then making you look like a jack ass trying to publically embarass someone you're pissed at; at least

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: packages going into the tree with non-gentoo maintainers

2006-09-07 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Thursday 07 September 2006 13:25, Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote: I'll try to overlook the reverted changes in kdelibs for bug fixes, the improper ${ROOT} injected in my changes where it wasn't supposed to be, the broken opengl on kdelibs checks that appeared last month, unhelpful comments

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: packages going into the tree with non-gentoo maintainers

2006-09-07 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Thursday 07 September 2006 13:48, Jakub Moc wrote: I wonder how exactly genstef broke mips, 'cos mind you, he just reverted to what the ebuild was doing before Bug 114161 was fixed by hard-disabling of hspell [1]. Since mips doesn't have hspell keyworded, it wasn't affected by that bug

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: packages going into the tree with non-gentoo maintainers

2006-09-07 Thread Simon Stelling
Carsten Lohrke wrote: One question remains: Is it needed/correct that Portage doesn't take blockers for architecture breakages into account? Such a line/prefix is easily changed and when someone - whatever the bad reason is - uses cvs commit, a real tree breakage is the cause. The

Re: [gentoo-dev] Paid support

2006-09-07 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Wed, 2006-09-06 at 23:50 -0400, Curtis Napier wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: MD5 I'm in support of having a list of devs who want to do paid support. Anything that helps people eat is OK in my book. ;) On the other hand, I think we need to have the foundation run this

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: packages going into the tree with non-gentoo maintainers

2006-09-07 Thread Jakub Moc
Simon Stelling wrote: Carsten Lohrke wrote: One question remains: Is it needed/correct that Portage doesn't take blockers for architecture breakages into account? Such a line/prefix is easily changed and when someone - whatever the bad reason is - uses cvs commit, a real tree breakage

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: packages going into the tree with non-gentoo maintainers

2006-09-07 Thread Simon Stelling
Jakub Moc wrote: carlo, you might want to revert it properly, instead of reverting only half of the previous commit you've been complaining about here. Could you please take such stuff where it belongs next time? (To the bug, that is.) There's really no need to point out such things on -dev,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: packages going into the tree with non-gentoo maintainers

2006-09-07 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
On Thu, 07 Sep 2006 16:42:11 +0200 Simon Stelling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Carsten Lohrke wrote: One question remains: Is it needed/correct that Portage doesn't take blockers for architecture breakages into account? Such a line/prefix is easily changed and when someone - whatever the bad

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: packages going into the tree with non-gentoo maintainers

2006-09-07 Thread Carsten Lohrke
What have we learnt now, Jakub? Keep it in the bug report. ;) Carsten pgpxG13G6keIP.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: packages going into the tree with non-gentoo maintainers

2006-09-07 Thread Jakub Moc
Carsten Lohrke wrote: On Thursday 07 September 2006 16:42, Simon Stelling wrote: !app-text/hunspell-1.0, which means that you can't have hunspell-1.0 and kdelibs installed on a system at the same time. This is clear to me. My point was, if there's a specific need to allow to not to break

[gentoo-dev] New git.eclass (Take #2)

2006-09-07 Thread Fernando J. Pereda
Hi guys, We are planning to add git.eclass as presented in bug #132383 (as attachment 96300). I also attach it here in case someone wants to comment parts of it. Please raise your concerns if you have any. - ferdy -- Fernando J. Pereda Garcimartín Gentoo Developer (Alpha,net-mail,mutt,git)

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] Why you use Gentoo

2006-09-07 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Thursday 07 September 2006 20:31, Chris White wrote: So, wondering why people use Gentoo. penis envy -mike pgpD0ckVyufBA.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Why you use Gentoo

2006-09-07 Thread Pablo Yanez Trujillo
[user] I started using gentoo on dec. 2003. This was my first big step after one year SuSE Linux. I was very delight when I saw, that I was able to build my own system (I always wanted it) with my own requirements and in the way I wanted it to be built. I was very happy when I didn't saw the

[gentoo-dev] Why you use Gentoo

2006-09-07 Thread Chris White
So, wondering why people use Gentoo. Put [dev] or something if you're an actual gentoo dev and [user] if you're a user. Doesn't need to be fancy, you can put community or something if that's all you want. All responses off list please. Thanks. -- Chris White Gentoo Developer A+ | MCSE

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] Moving ebuild-related where they belong

2006-09-07 Thread Simon Stelling
Zac Medico wrote: If we implement the repo-level profile, it can have a bashrc (much like profile.bashrc) that acts as a repo-level ebuild template (like install-helpers.eclass). Actually, the repo-level profile already exists in the form of files such as

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] Moving ebuild-related where they belong

2006-09-07 Thread Zac Medico
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Simon Stelling wrote: repo-level profile, we move parts of the EAPI out into the tree, which is a bad idea because we are unable to support multiple versions. As the EAPI needed for the ebuild is unknown when sourcing install-helpers.eclass, we're

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] Moving ebuild-related where they belong

2006-09-07 Thread Brian Harring
On Thu, Sep 07, 2006 at 09:32:04AM -0700, Zac Medico wrote: Simon Stelling wrote: repo-level profile, we move parts of the EAPI out into the tree, which is a bad idea because we are unable to support multiple versions. As the EAPI needed for the ebuild is unknown when sourcing

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] Moving ebuild-related where they belong

2006-09-07 Thread Simon Stelling
Zac Medico wrote: Well, if the metadata generation step is viewed as being separate from the rest, and the helpers aren't needed during that step, then it's possible to get the EAPI from the ebuild without the helpers being in the environment. Once the EAPI is known, the package manager can

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] Moving ebuild-related where they belong

2006-09-07 Thread Simon Stelling
Brian Harring wrote: Make this change, and it means that all overlays that can function as standalone, must bundle the eapi helpers themselves. Not true. I don't have to add eutils.eclass to my overlay to use epatch. Same goes for install-helpers.eclass. Standalone-repos will have that

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] Moving ebuild-related where they belong

2006-09-07 Thread Brian Harring
On Thu, Sep 07, 2006 at 07:11:01PM +0200, Simon Stelling wrote: Brian Harring wrote: Make this change, and it means that all overlays that can function as standalone, must bundle the eapi helpers themselves. Standalone-repos will have that problem, but there is none yet to my knowledge.

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] Moving ebuild-related where they belong

2006-09-07 Thread Zac Medico
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Simon Stelling wrote: Brian Harring wrote: B) fragmentation this implicitly enables isn't good. I agree here. Fragmentation is always a potential with free and open software. People can fork if they want or collaborate if they want. The

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] Moving ebuild-related where they belong

2006-09-07 Thread Brian Harring
On Thu, Sep 07, 2006 at 10:22:38AM -0700, Zac Medico wrote: Simon Stelling wrote: Zac Medico wrote: Well, if the metadata generation step is viewed as being separate from the rest, and the helpers aren't needed during that step, then it's possible to get the EAPI from the ebuild

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] Moving ebuild-related where they belong

2006-09-07 Thread Zac Medico
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Simon Stelling wrote: Zac Medico wrote: Well, if the metadata generation step is viewed as being separate from the rest, and the helpers aren't needed during that step, then it's possible to get the EAPI from the ebuild without the helpers being