Re: [gentoo-dev] Only you can prevent broken portage trees

2006-10-30 Thread Paweł Madej
Dnia wtorek, 31 października 2006 01:33, Ciaran McCreesh napisał: > The thing is, at any given time there are probably a hundred or more > bugs assigned to arch teams with people whining for attention. At least > two thirds of those whines are unhelpful and serve no purpose. > Filtering out the leg

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Global USE flags (Was: mplayer global use flag)

2006-10-30 Thread Jim Ramsay
On Sat, Oct 28, 2006 at 05:23:50PM +0200, arfrever wrote: > In connection with latest globalization of mplayer USE flag I would like to > ask for globalizing cairo, openexr and udev USE flags. These flags are used > by enough amount of packages. I vote for a 'libnotify' global USE flag. It is u

Re: [gentoo-dev] Only you can prevent broken portage trees

2006-10-30 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Mon, 30 Oct 2006 18:46:25 -0500 Alec Warner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | I'm actually going to agree with jakub here. I wouldn't even say | they need to fix the bug; but just acknowledge that they even read it | or paid attention or "hey we are working on it" or "hey we don't give | a flying ra

Re: [gentoo-dev] Only you can prevent broken portage trees

2006-10-30 Thread Alec Warner
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Mon, 30 Oct 2006 22:33:26 +0100 Jakub Moc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | Ciaran McCreesh napsal(a): | > | What on earth are you talking about here? And why almost 6 months | > | is not enough for someone to respond on a bug with a simple | > | "we'll only support newer ver

Re: [gentoo-dev] Only you can prevent broken portage trees

2006-10-30 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Mon, 30 Oct 2006 22:33:26 +0100 Jakub Moc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | Ciaran McCreesh napsal(a): | > | What on earth are you talking about here? And why almost 6 months | > | is not enough for someone to respond on a bug with a simple | > | "we'll only support newer versions and don't care abou

[gentoo-dev] Stop reading here

2006-10-30 Thread Chris White
Everything else below is ugly. -- Chris White Gentoo Developer aka: xx (Scissors Were Here) xx pgpSSQTAPnIyc.pgp Description: PGP signature

[gentoo-dev] oracle use flag masking

2006-10-30 Thread Jason Wever
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 To whomever added the oracle use flag, Please mask it on all architectures Oracle doesn't support on Linux. Or better yet, mask it everywhere and only unmask it on the architectures that support Oracle. Thanks, - -- Jason Wever Gentoo/Sparc Te

Re: [gentoo-dev] Econf

2006-10-30 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Mon, 2006-10-30 at 22:44 +0100, KLessou wrote: > Hello, > > I have to make a Live ebuild (from a CVS repository). But econf don't > find the configure script. > > >> !!! no configure script found . > > The configure file is into ${WORKDIR}/package/, I have defined ${S} > here, but no

Re: [gentoo-dev] Ignoring/overwriting IUSE from an eclass

2006-10-30 Thread Piotr Jaroszyński
> Sorry, but this mailing list is not really the best place for "just for > fun" bash foo. I suggest you take it somewhere else. Actually that was a question which whitespaces are allowed in IUSE, so I think it's not the worst place for it. Especially if you count the number of flame senseless po

Re: [gentoo-dev] Ignoring/overwriting IUSE from an eclass

2006-10-30 Thread Simon Stelling
Piotr Jaroszyński wrote: > Just for fun(=I wouldn't use it in ebuild/eclass): Sorry, but this mailing list is not really the best place for "just for fun" bash foo. I suggest you take it somewhere else. -- Kind Regards, Simon Stelling Gentoo/AMD64 Developer -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing lis

Re: [gentoo-dev] Ignoring/overwriting IUSE from an eclass

2006-10-30 Thread Piotr Jaroszyński
> And this is the point: Your definition of 'works' is (in my eyes) at > least sloppy. If it doesn't work for all sensible cases, it shouldn't > be labelled as 'works'. Does "dirty portage-specific hack" mean "That's my bulletproof solution for that problem"? I didn't mean that and I hope that's o

[gentoo-dev] Econf

2006-10-30 Thread KLessou
Hello,    I have to make a Live ebuild (from a CVS repository). But econf don't find the configure script. >>  !!! no configure script found .    The configure file is into ${WORKDIR}/package/, I have defined ${S} here, but no result.    Thanks for advance if you have any idea. -- ~| kle

Re: [gentoo-dev] Ignoring/overwriting IUSE from an eclass

2006-10-30 Thread Danny van Dyk
Am Montag, 30. Oktober 2006 22:19 schrieb Piotr Jaroszyński: > > Whitespace. Not space. > > > > E_IUSE=$'foo\tX' > > Ok, you are right here. Sorry for saying that you don't know what you > are talking about, it seems you do. But don't assume that everyone > else don't. And for future you could be m

Re: [gentoo-dev] Only you can prevent broken portage trees

2006-10-30 Thread Jakub Moc
Ciaran McCreesh napsal(a): > | What on earth are you talking about here? And why almost 6 months is > | not enough for someone to respond on a bug with a simple "we'll only > | support newer versions and don't care about MySQL 4.0.x any more, go > | drop it"? > > Priorities. The arch teams could b

Re: [gentoo-dev] Only you can prevent broken portage trees

2006-10-30 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Mon, 30 Oct 2006 21:46:33 +0100 Jakub Moc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | Ciaran McCreesh napsal(a): | > | As you have might have noticed, they already have a newer version | > | stable. But apparently asking them to respond on a bug within 5 | > | months is way too much. :P | > | > Well yes, sinc

Re: [gentoo-dev] Ignoring/overwriting IUSE from an eclass

2006-10-30 Thread Piotr Jaroszyński
> Whitespace. Not space. > > E_IUSE=$'foo\tX' Ok, you are right here. Sorry for saying that you don't know what you are talking about, it seems you do. But don't assume that everyone else don't. And for future you could be more specific, "Doesn't work", esp. If something do work(not the right wa

Re: [gentoo-dev] Ignoring/overwriting IUSE from an eclass

2006-10-30 Thread Michael Hanselmann
Hello Piotr On Mon, Oct 30, 2006 at 09:40:28PM +0100, Piotr Jaroszyński wrote: > E_IUSE=${E_IUSE// X } - deletes every X with whitespace around it. What happens if someone uses newlines, horizontal tabs, vertical tabs or any other whitespace character instead of spaces? Boom. Greets, Michael --

Re: [gentoo-dev] Ignoring/overwriting IUSE from an eclass

2006-10-30 Thread Piotr Jaroszyński
> E_IUSE=${E_IUSE// X } - deletes every X with whitespace around it. This should be E_IUSE=${E_IUSE// X / }. -- Piotr Jaroszyński Gentoo Developer -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] Only you can prevent broken portage trees

2006-10-30 Thread Jakub Moc
Ciaran McCreesh napsal(a): > | As you have might have noticed, they already have a newer version > | stable. But apparently asking them to respond on a bug within 5 months > | is way too much. :P > > Well yes, since there's no clear link between bugs and packages. Things > can get stabled incident

Re: [gentoo-dev] Ignoring/overwriting IUSE from an eclass

2006-10-30 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Mon, 30 Oct 2006 21:30:56 +0100 Piotr Jaroszyński <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | Why there is always *someone* who wants to win a pink elephant in the | last word contest? We want to be damned sure that neither you nor anyone else is going to persist with this kind of stupidity. -- Ciaran McCre

Re: [gentoo-dev] Ignoring/overwriting IUSE from an eclass

2006-10-30 Thread Piotr Jaroszyński
> | > Just what do you think will happen when another eclass sets > | > IUSE="Xaw3d"? > | > | Specially for you and your pink elephants: > | E_IUSE=${E_IUSE// X } > | E_IUSE=${E_IUSE#X } > | E_IUSE=${E_IUSE% X} > > No go. Arbitrary whitespace is allowed. I thought that you really know what you are

Re: [gentoo-dev] Ignoring/overwriting IUSE from an eclass

2006-10-30 Thread Piotr Jaroszyński
> ...yet. Past Portage releases don't have it. Future Portage releases may > not. Other package managers don't. Using it at all is to intentionally > screw around with things that ebuilds should not know or need to, is > asking for trouble, and will have a certain group on your back as soon > as th

Re: [gentoo-dev] Only you can prevent broken portage trees

2006-10-30 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Mon, 30 Oct 2006 20:50:06 +0100 Jakub Moc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | Ciaran McCreesh napsal(a): | > | > | 5 months of no response from the arches says something is | > | > | wrong on their side. | > | > | > | > Or it tells you where their priorities lie... | > | | > | Sure. So they don't nee

Re: [gentoo-dev] Ignoring/overwriting IUSE from an eclass

2006-10-30 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Mon, 30 Oct 2006 21:04:47 +0100 Piotr Jaroszyński <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | > Yes, I do want to bet. You don't have a clue what you're talking | > about and you don't have a clue how to use bash substitution | > correctly. | | Have you bet that you won't be kicked from gentoo also? Oh, I thi

Re: [gentoo-dev] Ignoring/overwriting IUSE from an eclass

2006-10-30 Thread Stephen Bennett
On Mon, 30 Oct 2006 21:04:47 +0100 Piotr Jaroszyński <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Just what do you think will happen when Portage internals change? > > This has happened several times with those variables? > E_IUSE was added in 2.0.50-r10 or r11 and was never changed. ...yet. Past Portage relea

Re: [gentoo-dev] Only you can prevent broken portage trees

2006-10-30 Thread Jakub Moc
Ciaran McCreesh napsal(a): > | > | 5 months of no response from the arches says something is wrong on > | > | their side. > | > > | > Or it tells you where their priorities lie... > | > | Sure. So they don't need the keywords nor the package. > > No no. They might need the package, just not nece

Re: [gentoo-dev] Only you can prevent broken portage trees

2006-10-30 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Mon, 30 Oct 2006 20:09:56 +0100 Jakub Moc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | Ciaran McCreesh napsal(a): | > On Mon, 30 Oct 2006 00:28:29 -0800 "Robin H. Johnson" | > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | > | To generalize on Francesco's email, how long should developers | > | wait for minority arches to mark s

Re: [gentoo-dev] Ignoring/overwriting IUSE from an eclass

2006-10-30 Thread Andrew Gaffney
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: Your solution is approximately on par with fixing a wobbly chair by sawing off all four legs and then attaching what's left to a crocodile. +1 for creativity and making me literally laugh out loud -- Andrew Gaffneyhttp://dev.gentoo.org/~agaffn

Re: [gentoo-dev] Only you can prevent broken portage trees

2006-10-30 Thread Jakub Moc
Ciaran McCreesh napsal(a): > On Mon, 30 Oct 2006 00:28:29 -0800 "Robin H. Johnson" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > | To generalize on Francesco's email, how long should developers wait > | for minority arches to mark stuff stable, after a security bug, and > | then a reminder more than 4 months late

Re: [gentoo-dev] Ignoring/overwriting IUSE from an eclass

2006-10-30 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Mon, 30 Oct 2006 19:21:46 +0100 Piotr Jaroszyński <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | > And it doesn't work. | | Wanna bet? Of course you must put it in the x-modular.eclass, but I | thought that's quite obvious as spyderous was talking about adding | IUSE="" to that eclass. Yes, I do want to bet. You

Re: [gentoo-dev] Ignoring/overwriting IUSE from an eclass

2006-10-30 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote: > On Monday 30 October 2006 17:26, Donnie Berkholz wrote: >> Anyone got any ideas? The only one I have is to add significant missing >> functionality to font.eclass and switch every font package over that >> instead of x-modular.eclass. > > if [[ ${CATEGORY} == "me

Re: [gentoo-dev] Ignoring/overwriting IUSE from an eclass

2006-10-30 Thread Piotr Jaroszyński
> And it doesn't work. Wanna bet? Of course you must put it in the x-modular.eclass, but I thought that's quite obvious as spyderous was talking about adding IUSE="" to that eclass. -- Piotr Jaroszyński Gentoo Developer -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] Ignoring/overwriting IUSE from an eclass

2006-10-30 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Mon, 30 Oct 2006 18:44:30 +0100 Piotr Jaroszyński <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | > I really want to use font.eclass in x-modular.eclass to get rid of | > a lot of code duplication and more possible bugs. Problem is, it | > brings in IUSE=X for every single X package. I cannot figure out | > how to

Re: [gentoo-dev] The Dreaded herd tag

2006-10-30 Thread Jim Ramsay
On Mon, Oct 30, 2006 at 11:09:53AM -0500, Chris Gianelloni wrote: > On Sat, 2006-10-28 at 08:28 +0200, George Shapovalov wrote: > > Wanna guess how many of those happen to be stale? > > I would suspect fewer than you think. As an example, I have a few > packages which belong to no herd, but have

Re: [gentoo-dev] Ignoring/overwriting IUSE from an eclass

2006-10-30 Thread Piotr Jaroszyński
> I really want to use font.eclass in x-modular.eclass to get rid of a lot > of code duplication and more possible bugs. Problem is, it brings in > IUSE=X for every single X package. I cannot figure out how to prevent > this. Setting IUSE="" after the inherit in x-modular.eclass is not enough. E_IU

Re: [gentoo-dev] Ignoring/overwriting IUSE from an eclass

2006-10-30 Thread Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
On Monday 30 October 2006 17:26, Donnie Berkholz wrote: > Anyone got any ideas? The only one I have is to add significant missing > functionality to font.eclass and switch every font package over that > instead of x-modular.eclass. if [[ ${CATEGORY} == "media-font" ]]; then fonteclass="font" end

Re: [gentoo-dev] The Dreaded herd tag

2006-10-30 Thread George Shapovalov
понеділок, 30. жовтень 2006 17:49, Olivier Crete Ви написали: > > Should we also disallow adding new no-herd/maintainer-needed ebuilds? > > (As the apparent use of maintainer-needed is to track the ebuilds already > > in the tree that need some love). > > Isn't adding an ebuild without setting ones

Re: [gentoo-dev] The Dreaded herd tag

2006-10-30 Thread Olivier Crete
On Mon, 2006-30-10 at 17:40 +0100, George Shapovalov wrote: > понеділок, 30. жовтень 2006 17:16, Chris Gianelloni Ви написали: > > allow valid devs, and maintainer-needed in maintainer. > Should we also disallow adding new no-herd/maintainer-needed ebuilds? > (As the apparent use of maintainer-ne

Re: [gentoo-dev] Ignoring/overwriting IUSE from an eclass

2006-10-30 Thread Olivier Crete
On Mon, 2006-30-10 at 08:26 -0800, Donnie Berkholz wrote: > Alternate subject: On the sudden appearance of USE=X for tons of stuff > > I really want to use font.eclass in x-modular.eclass to get rid of a lot > of code duplication and more possible bugs. Problem is, it brings in > IUSE=X for every

Re: [gentoo-dev] The Dreaded herd tag

2006-10-30 Thread George Shapovalov
понеділок, 30. жовтень 2006 17:16, Chris Gianelloni Ви написали: > Well, we enforce the maintainer tag if herd is no-herd. Then, we only With this explicit requirement I think it should be Ok. > allow valid devs, and maintainer-needed in maintainer. Should we also disallow adding new no-herd/ma

[gentoo-dev] Ignoring/overwriting IUSE from an eclass

2006-10-30 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Alternate subject: On the sudden appearance of USE=X for tons of stuff I really want to use font.eclass in x-modular.eclass to get rid of a lot of code duplication and more possible bugs. Problem is, it brings in IUSE=X for every single X package. I cannot figure out how to prevent this. Setting I

Re: [gentoo-dev] The Dreaded herd tag

2006-10-30 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Sat, 2006-10-28 at 03:05 -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: > On Saturday 28 October 2006 02:46, Robin H. Johnson wrote: > > On Sat, Oct 28, 2006 at 08:11:37AM +0200, George Shapovalov wrote: > > > One of the reasons herds were introduced was to explicitly see what > > > packages lack maintenance. It

Re: [gentoo-dev] The Dreaded herd tag

2006-10-30 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Sat, 2006-10-28 at 08:28 +0200, George Shapovalov wrote: > Wanna guess how many of those happen to be stale? I would suspect fewer than you think. As an example, I have a few packages which belong to no herd, but have me listed as maintainer. Many of the no-herd packages are the same. Not bei

Re: [gentoo-dev] Scheme herd team needs some love

2006-10-30 Thread Patrick McLean
Matthew Kennedy wrote: No one is working on the Scheme herd in Gentoo. [EMAIL PROTECTED] includes only me, but I'm not doing anything with Scheme and don't really care to either. Several of our Scheme implementations in Portage are out of date, (chicken, gambit, drscheme, bigloo and, dare I men

[gentoo-dev] Breaking your box with dbus

2006-10-30 Thread Steev Klimaszewski
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Just a heads up... This is part of the reason that dbus > .9x is still p.masked. We are moving from dbus-core back to dbus - dbus will NOT be a meta package for dbus > .9x. It will be the core daemon. You should be depending on either just the bin

[gentoo-dev] Re: New developer: Christian Faulhammer (opfer)

2006-10-30 Thread Christian Faulhammer
Tach Christian, 0x2B859DE3 (PGP-PK-ID) Christian Heim schrieb: > Its my pleasure to introduce to you Christian Faulhammer (also known as > opfer), our latest addition helping with xemacs and the x86 monkeys. Please! Don't! Not XEmacs! Pure GNU Emacs, nothing m

Re: [gentoo-dev] qadeps(?) - useful(?) tool for deps qa

2006-10-30 Thread Piotr Jaroszyński
> qlist ${CPV} | scanelf -L -n -q -F '%n #F' | tr , ' ' | xargs qfile -C | > sort -u > > This oneliner does more or less what checkrdeps does ... Didn't know it's so simple. Idea of my script was to also show on which level and by what these rdpes are satisfied, which can help keeping your rdeps

Re: [gentoo-dev] Only you can prevent broken portage trees

2006-10-30 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Monday 30 October 2006 14:23, Ferris McCormick wrote: > I might be mistaken, but I believe sparc responds pretty quickly to > security bugs, either by taking the requested action or by explaining > why the requested action is impossible (i.e., build problems). Yes, the Sparc team is rather quic

Re: [gentoo-dev] Only you can prevent broken portage trees

2006-10-30 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Mon, 30 Oct 2006 00:28:29 -0800 "Robin H. Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | To generalize on Francesco's email, how long should developers wait | for minority arches to mark stuff stable, after a security bug, and | then a reminder more than 4 months later? Indefinitely. There's no harm lea

Re: [gentoo-dev] firefox-2.0

2006-10-30 Thread Caleb Cushing
I wouldn't do it until mplayerplug-in works on it. I just realized it doesn't, last night. lot of people would probably be upset if it were stabilized. but they couldn't watch movies. On 10/29/06, Josh Saddler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Michal Kurgan wrote: > Hello! > > Recently new firefox-2.0

Re: [gentoo-dev] Only you can prevent broken portage trees

2006-10-30 Thread Ferris McCormick
On Mon, 2006-10-30 at 00:28 -0800, Robin H. Johnson wrote: > On Sun, Oct 29, 2006 at 07:49:22PM -0700, Jason Wever wrote: > > Please triple check what you want to commit and verify that you don't do > > any of the following (which are punishable by death): > > > > 1) remove the last ebuild that i

Re: [gentoo-dev] Only you can prevent broken portage trees

2006-10-30 Thread Denis Dupeyron
On 10/30/06, Jason Wever <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Please triple check what you want to commit and verify that you don't do any of the following (which are punishable by death): 1) remove the last ebuild that is keyworded for a given arch, especially when resulting in broken dependencies.

Re: [gentoo-dev] The (lack of) use of herds

2006-10-30 Thread Roy Marples
On Monday 30 October 2006 10:26, Elfyn McBratney wrote: > A single person doesn't constitute a team [1]. More than one person > does... > > [1] Unless you're SpanKY. You forget that vapier also works with SpanKY ;) -- Roy Marples <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Gentoo/Linux Developer (baselayout, networkin

[gentoo-dev] Last rites for media-sound/bpmdj

2006-10-30 Thread Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
As per summary, bpmdj is currently not actively maintained in Gentoo, the ebuild has a few problems itself, I fixed a few issues before, but I don't use it nor I can test it myself (-amd64). If noone steps up, it will removed next month. Stefan, you filed the bump request, if you're using this

Re: [gentoo-dev] The (lack of) use of herds

2006-10-30 Thread Elfyn McBratney
On 29/10/06, Richard Fish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 10/28/06, Marius Mauch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well, I'd go further and question the whole herd concept. It also gives users the impression that there is an entire "team" of people maintaining a package,when in fact it might be just on

Re: [gentoo-dev] Only you can prevent broken portage trees

2006-10-30 Thread Robin H. Johnson
On Sun, Oct 29, 2006 at 07:49:22PM -0700, Jason Wever wrote: > Please triple check what you want to commit and verify that you don't do > any of the following (which are punishable by death): > > 1) remove the last ebuild that is keyworded for a given arch, especially >when resulting in broke