On Aug 20, 2013, at 11:19 AM, William Hubbs wrote:
>
> My question is, how can we improve our stabilization procedures/policies
> so we can convince people not to run production servers on ~arch and
> keep the stable tree more up to date?
do the Arch Linux thing…keep just one version of a packag
On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 00:36:18 +0100
"Andreas K. Huettel" wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> several people have pointed out to me that the 10.0 -> 13.0 transition would
> be a good moment to finally remove the (also in my opinion rather useless)
> server profiles.
>
> The easiest way to do this would be to
On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 11:19:20 +0100
Tomáš Chvátal wrote:
> Currently we put portage into /usr/portage and all related stuff is to
> be in the subfolders there (distfiles, binpkg).
>
> I've always myself override these defaults in make.conf to point for
> /var/portage/ (not /var/lib because I neve
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 19:49:00 +0200
Pacho Ramos wrote:
> Hello
>
> I am a bit surprised handbook still doesn't suggest people to
> create a separate partition for /usr/portage tree. I remember my
> first Gentoo systems had it inside / and that lead to a lot of
> fragmentation, much slower "emerge
On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 15:53:44 -0600
William Hubbs wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=389437
>
> has prompted a discussion of whether or not we should use ifconfig
> in openrc to configure networking on linux systems.
>
> I'm not asking that we consider removing net-tool
On Thu, 25 Aug 2011 23:12:22 +0200
Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Please see the attached news item for review. The news item should
> be published before mesa-7.11 goes stable.
> Corresponding bug report:
> https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=377349
>
>
> Best regards,
>
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On Fri, 15 Jul 2011 10:59:29 +0300
Markos Chandras wrote:
> >> # Markos Chandras (10 Jul 2011)
> >> # Dead upstream. Bugs #353788 and #348232
> >> # Alternatives:
> >> # net-misc/dibbler
> >> # net-misc/dhcp[ipv6]
> >> # Masked for removal in 30 days
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On Sun, 10 Jul 2011 19:05:42 +0300
Markos Chandras wrote:
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> # Markos Chandras (10 Jul 2011)
> # Dead upstream. Bugs #353788 and #348232
> # Alternatives:
> # net-misc/dibbler
> # net-misc/dhcp[i
On Mon, 27 Jun 2011 16:49:23 -0400
Mike Frysinger wrote:
> if you dont want multiple builds on your system, then dont install
> multiple versions of python.
> -mike
This would be nice, but unfortunately the python maintainer forced
3.x on everyone, despite the fact that nothing uses it and no one
On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 16:24:07 +0200
Michał Górny wrote:
> Hello,
>
> As we discussed for a while, the media-sound/ category has grown
> very large and it may be a good idea to split it.
>
> Right now, it contains audio players, editing software, converters,
> sound systems and a lot of other uti
On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 08:31:18 -0400
Daniel Gryniewicz wrote:
> # Daniel Gryniewicz (13 Apr 2011)
> # Masked for removal in 30 days. Functionality is merged into and
> maintained in
> # the upstream kernel. Use any kernel (e.g. gentoo-sources)
> instead. sys-kernel/usermode-sources
>
>
> Daniel
On Tue, 01 Mar 2011 01:17:18 +0100
Stefan Behte wrote:
> Hi list,
>
> seeing Donnie link to a GSOC page on en.gentoo-wiki.com, I was
> wondering about the status of our own, gentoo-hosted wiki. When
> gentoo-wiki.com had its major failure, I was very frustrated and
> thus have some concerns abou
On Wed, 09 Feb 2011 22:42:52 +0100
"Paweł Hajdan, Jr." wrote:
> Can anaconda give the user a shell at any point of the
> installation? Is it possible to manually skip the automated steps?
Last I checked, Anaconda was designed for binary installations,
originally for RPM-based systems. Trying to s
On Sun, 02 Jan 2011 19:24:14 +
Roy Bamford wrote:
> Some other interesting things along the way:-
> You need to incrementally update gcc and glibc as there is some
> mutual blockage there too.
> libpng-1.2, xorg and libexpat too if the box is old enough. How far
> do you want to go back?
>
On Wed, 01 Dec 2010 21:58:20 +0100
"Paweł Hajdan, Jr." wrote:
> So we have some automatic reporting. Can we have a webpage for
> that, or a mailing list that people can subscribe to?
Mailing list: http://bugs.gentoo.org/329165
I have no idea how to go about doing an automated webpage or other
in
On Wed, 1 Dec 2010 12:13:03 -0800
Alec Warner wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 8:02 PM, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto
> wrote:
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> > On 29-11-2010 10:34, Sebastian Pipping wrote:
> >> On 11/29/10 09:35, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis wrot
On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 21:03:13 +0200
Samuli Suominen wrote:
> # Samuli Suominen (04 Nov 2010)
> # Over 20 open bugs, http://tinyurl.com/2wurbtz
> # Bugs assigned to a proxy maintainer without CVS access
> # Every package outdated, bug 340007
> # Removal in 30 days
> app-pda/synce
> app-pda/synce-d
On Sun, 26 Sep 2010 13:32:49 -0700
Alec Warner wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 1:26 PM, Mike Frysinger
> wrote:
> > because he's a stupid nub
> > -mike
NO U
>
> Is that pronounced 'nub' or 'noob' ?
>
> Man I should really go to SCALE next year :X
We got the official invite from the organiz
On Sun, 26 Sep 2010 08:37:35 -0400
Jacob Godserv wrote:
> On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 14:32:49 -0400
> Mike Frysinger wrote:
>
> > man, fix your line length. what a nub you are.
>
> Or adjust your mail client. Then you could save yourself the name
> calling, which changes the mood of the mailing list
On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 11:16:08 -0500
William Hubbs wrote:
> All,
>
> I want to start a new thread since the discussion on openrc is centering
> on whether we should use oldnet, newnet, or keep both.
Use "oldnet." Why?
1. We already have a migration guide setup for it:
http://www.gentoo.org/doc/
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On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 06:46:21 -0400
"Anthony G. Basile" wrote:
> Why can't we keep both? There are strong advantages/disadvantages
> either way and there are users invested in both new/oldnet. I know
> this is more work on doc writers, but I don't t
On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 19:27:50 -0500
William Hubbs wrote:
> I suppose one question I need to ask is the oldnet vs newnet question.
> The git repository defaults to building and installing the newnet
> option, and we make oldnet the default in the ebuild.
>
> People migrating from stable will know t
On Tue, 24 Aug 2010 22:57:46 -0500
Nathan Zachary wrote:
> I don't think that the documentation changes should be a determining
> factor in switching to OpenRC. If we are going to endorse using OpenRC,
> the more relevant issues are the ones regarding its future development.
> The documentati
On Tue, 24 Aug 2010 19:18:56 +0200
Christian Faulhammer wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Joshua Saddler :
> > The big issue with the docs is that IF OpenRC/baselayout-2 are marked
> > stable, it will require massive changes to hundreds of our other doc
> > files.
>
> Is t
On Tue, 24 Aug 2010 10:30:20 -0400
Richard Freeman wrote:
> Looking at the tracker bug, I see all of three issues blocking openrc
> from going stable. One is documentation,
> It seems like we should just make the next bugday "OpenRC Cleanup Day"
> or something like that. Everybody can take 1
On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 22:24:45 -0700
Alec Warner wrote:
> I have access to main/en and I am willing to do website stuff; just
> nothing with a quick turnaround.
>
> I know guidexml and enough xsl to be dangerous.
Excellent. I've been the defacto www@ team for as long as I can remember. More
help
On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 11:43:06 -0700
Joshua Saddler wrote:
> That said, I've been looking at the proposed changes, so I'll be implementing
> some or all of them soon, probably today, time permitting.
I'm not going to be able to get to this, so anyone else with commit access t
On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 16:34:08 +0300
Markos Chandras wrote:
> You should talk directly to the teams how are responsible for this part of the
> webpage like dosc or pr teams
Common misconception. Neither the GDP, PR, or even Releng is directly
responsible for those pages, though all three teams ha
On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 13:44:36 -0700
"Paweł Hajdan, Jr." wrote:
> This might be a bit unclear to less savvy users. How about just make
> sure your LDFLAGS in /etc/make.conf contains "-Wl,--as-needed" or is unset?
> Instead of saying "overriding", I'd say something more similar to
> "disabling --as-
On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 17:11:10 -0400
Richard Freeman wrote:
> Is the process for creating these documented somewhere? I did some
> googling and couldn't really find any documentation on how our stages
> and liveCDs are built in the first place. There are some generic
> catalyst docs, but no rea
On Sun, 4 Oct 2009 11:42:13 -0700
Joshua Saddler wrote:
> There. I did the x86 and amd64 handbooks (networked, anyway; who cares about
> networkless). They're now ready for the 10th anniversary. I'm pretty sure.
>
> I also did the x86 quickinstall handbooks.
It's b
Hey folks, thought I'd ask here, since I can't find answers on what's
maintained in our ipv6 packages.
http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=326771 asks for updates to our sadly
neglected ipv6 guide (http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/ipv6.xml). I removed the
note that said to keyword net-dns/totd,
On Sun, 11 Jul 2010 01:30:08 -0400
Jacob Godserv wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 13:19, Robin H. Johnson wrote:
> > I'm running a BoF session during the Linux Symposium 2010 in Ottawa next
> > week, entitled 'State of Gentoo'.
>
> I've had my own uneducated ideas about this exact topic. I'd love
On Fri, 28 May 2010 22:47:58 -0700
spinugio wrote:
> Hi everybody,
>
> can I please get some so-to-speak "reference accounts" of products that
> are using Gentoo as their embedded Linux distribution of choice? in other
> words, can you please let me know of any embedded appliance that is runni
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On Fri, 14 May 2010 12:45:54 +
"Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto" wrote:
> Following Petteri's thread last month about RESOLVED LATER and given a
> issue that has been reported to User Relations about the "ab"use of the
> VERIFIED status in Bugzilla, I'
On Mon, 5 Apr 2010 02:08:06 +0200
Ben de Groot wrote:
> On 4 April 2010 21:33, Joshua Saddler wrote:
> > Having to write a custom stylesheet just to get one wiki page to do what
> > you want is pretty dumb.
>
> Yes it would be. The idea is that you design consistent styl
On Sun, 4 Apr 2010 17:23:54 +0200
Ben de Groot wrote:
> As has been pointed out, your table example was unfair, as they don't
> do the same thing. I would frown on such inline styling (that's what
> stylesheets are for), and there are a number of ways you can markup
> tables in wikis. One is to a
On Sun, 4 Apr 2010 10:22:06 +0200
"Tobias Scherbaum" wrote:
> 5 years ago [...] constantly added [...]
You need to clarify your metric. How are you defining constant? How often does
a new document need to appear?
What mostly happens is steady refinement and expansion of our existing docs,
occ
On Sun, 4 Apr 2010 03:20:53 +0200
Ben de Groot wrote:
> >> GuideXML documents are often experienced as an unnecessary
> >> barrier.
> >
> > I think you should clearly state again that this is not gonna replace
> > GuideXML, just migrate a few use cases where a wiki fits better.
> > This is what yo
On Sat, 03 Apr 2010 11:16:32 +0200
Tobias Scherbaum wrote:
> - Our formerly outstanding documentation still is somewhat maintained,
> but that's it. I haven't seen any new additions (both to our docs, but
> also to our docs-team) for years. People are constantly asking for a
> documentation wiki
On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 13:09:07 -0700
Brian Harring wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 10:07:52PM +0200, Rennn 'Necoro' Neumann wrote:
> > Am 28.03.2010 21:04, schrieb Brian Harring:
> > > Instead, if the purpose is a "thanks", why not every once in a while
> > > put up a news item discussing the too
On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 16:12:55 -0500
William Hubbs wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 09:36:52PM +0100, Ben de Groot wrote:
> > We agree that this is the minimum that should be done. But our
> > Python lead stubbornly refuses to honor this reasonable request.
>
> On the other hand, I can see his p
On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 19:04:51 +0100
Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis wrote:
> People, don't want Python 3, probably have already masked it. There is
> no reason to waste Council's time for decision on what sentence should
> be included in the news item.
Not the folks running the stable tree, be
On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 18:14:44 +0100
Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis wrote:
> 2010-03-24 17:57:35 Joshua Saddler napisał(a):
> > On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 17:43:56 +0100
> > Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis wrote:
> > > Python maintainers do not recommend to mask Python
On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 17:43:56 +0100
Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis wrote:
> 2010-03-23 20:28:38 Ben de Groot napisał(a):
> > As mentioned in the other thread, this news item should mention
> > that users who do not need python-3 should mask it locally to
> > prevent it from being pulled into
On Tue, 09 Mar 2010 22:32:22 -0600
Nathan Zachary wrote:
> On 09/03/10 22:08, Sebastian Pipping wrote:
> > Hello!
> >
> >
> > We have about 500 bump request open at the moment:
> > https://bugs.gentoo.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=bump
> >
> > I assume that quite a few of them would be no big deal
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 20:26:24 +0200
Petteri Räty wrote:
> On 03/07/2010 07:32 PM, Samuli Suominen wrote:
> > no need to stabilize experimental python, not even convinced it should
> > be in ~arch yet (but package.masked for testing)
> I don't think upstream considers python 3 experimental so when i
On Fri, 5 Mar 2010 10:56:23 +0100
Dirkjan Ochtman wrote:
> > No one has said yet why this is. So . . . direct question, gimme a direct
> > answer: why?
>
> Because in my opinion stable means that the people who package this
> are stating that hey, we did some testing with this, it works with all
On Fri, 5 Mar 2010 10:10:00 +0100
Dirkjan Ochtman wrote:
> Because 'stable' denotes that it works as intended, that it can be
> installed easily, etc. All of these are true now for python3. There
> are applications being written for it. We want to package those too.
> I'm fine with people masking
On Thu, 4 Mar 2010 16:52:50 +0200
Theo Chatzimichos wrote:
> I'll give three days max for the suggestions here etc, and then I'll proceed
> in creating the news item. So I guess it will be committed in a week max.
> Thanks
Feel free to submit some documentation patches now that all our docs ar
On Thu, 4 Mar 2010 19:22:41 +0100
Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis wrote:
> Python 3 is a new major version of Python and is intentionally incompatible
> with Python 2. Many external modules have not been ported yet to Python 3, so
> currently Python 3.1 should not be set as main active versio
> On 3 March 2010 19:45, Mart Raudsepp wrote:
> > I don't believe we should selectively cripple one GUI toolkit with not
> > having proper printing support out of the box on a desktop profile,
> > while others do, just because maintainers are lazy.
>
> It is not something that is necessary for r
On Wed, 03 Mar 2010 13:35:10 +0200
Samuli Suominen wrote:
> # Samuli Suominen (03 Mar 2010)
> # Masked for QA, security
> #
> # Internal copies of vuln. zlib, jpeg, speex and likely
> # others
> #
> # http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=255453
> #
> # Masked for removal in 60 days.
> games-fp
On Sun, 28 Feb 2010 21:04:04 +0100
Sebastian Pipping wrote:
> On 02/28/10 20:54, Markos Chandras wrote:
> > Do we still have bugdays? Who is taking care of this project and the
> > respective webpage? I think we first need to answer these questions before
> > we even consider resurrect this proj
On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 19:20:06 +
"Robin H. Johnson" wrote:
> Giving the staffing levels of PR vs. the eyes on the -dev ML, I don't see the
> point either.
Yup. Besides, it's not like any of us have commit access to go back and fix
something in a news announcement after the fact. Portage tree
On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 06:37:03 -0800
Petteri Räty wrote:
> On 15.2.2010 22.26, Robin H. Johnson wrote:
>
> >
> > As soon as the 72 hours on this news announcement are done, I'm going to
> > be unmasking it. I do expect most of the breakage to come from the
> > client libraries, and NOT any actual
On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 23:47:51 -0600
Victor Ostorga wrote:
> Yes, it will be needed to remove the doc.
>
> > Is there a compatible drop-in replacement that will allow us to
> > s/ldapdns/foo throughout the guide?
>
> Unfortunately, I don't know an exact replacemente for ldapdns, at some
> point I
On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 10:40:06 -0600
Victor Ostorga wrote:
>
> # Víctor Ostorga (23 Dec 2009)
> # Last bump in 2005, does not build against current
> # stable net-nds/openldap-2.4.19-r1 bug #247956
> # Removal in 30 days
> net-dns/ldapdns
>
So what about http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/ldapdns-gui
On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 08:09:20 +0100
Ulrich Mueller wrote:
> Wasn't there some licence issue with this package, too?
>
> Ulrich
There was with ion3, yes. It was removed for that reason about 2.5 years ago --
not just Gentoo, but basically all distros pulled it. Upstream went crazy.
http://articl
On Tue, 8 Dec 2009 10:20:36 +0100
Thilo Bangert wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> similarly to the metadata.xml check, the following is a list of small
> problems related to the project metadata as found in the gentoo CVS
> repository.
> Documentation: Only 1 developers signed up for project!
On Thu, 3 Dec 2009 02:44:47 +
Sylvain Alain wrote:
> Hi everyone, I think that the best should be to release a migration guide
> just before the official release and also a news on the first page of
> Gentoo.org
You really should have checked our doc repo before sending your mail:
http://ww
On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 18:01:06 +
Jeremy Olexa wrote:
> I too was seeing this at a frequency that was noticeable. In the past week
> (or more), there has not been any missed emails that I have seen. Did
> something get changed to fix this issue? Or are we still guessing?
It does seem to be bette
On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 13:11:38 +0200
Samuli Suominen wrote:
> AllenJB wrote:
> > * Why is the developer profile even shown on "eselect profile"? Wouldn't
> > it be better to keep "unsupported" profiles off this list. Surely Gentoo
> > devs can cope with setting their profile manually in favor of a
On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 22:54:31 +0200
Thomas Sachau wrote:
> I disagree in this place. ~arch is called testing because it actually is
> about TESTING new versions and packages. You should expect problems and you
> should be able to recover from them and you should be able to use bugzilla.
> Else i su
On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 00:52:06 +0200
Dawid Węgliński wrote:
> Upstream already provides such a documentation as you can see above. Gentoo
> provides migration guide. I believe doc team will update use flag description
> as soon as it's possible.
In this case, "As soon as it's possible" means "whe
On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 22:04:50 +0200
Tomáš Chvátal wrote:
> Hi,
> lately I spoted that quite few packages have optional parts bit unstable (KDE
> parts, boinc [i wont stable it until the cuda is, i wont do the work
> explained bellow :)], kipi,...).
> I really don't like the shebang about doing -r
On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 19:57:07 +0200
Matthias Schwarzott wrote:
> Hi there!
>
> As some of you have waited long for this to happen, sys-apps/openrc-0.5.1 is
> there. It has a default enabled (eapi-1) useflag oldnet to install the
> old-style network scripts called net.*.
> Regardless of this use-
There. I did the x86 and amd64 handbooks (networked, anyway; who cares about
networkless). They're now ready for the 10th anniversary. I'm pretty sure.
I also did the x86 quickinstall handbooks.
GDP, and interested devs who can contribute patches to Bugzilla:
Please review all the files I touch
On Sat, 3 Oct 2009 20:45:21 +0300
Markos Chandras wrote:
> This is actually true. Maybe all devs should have access on docs since the
> docs teams are dead. I would suggest to let all developers contribute to
> documentation whether they belong to docs team or not
No. Many (most?) devs do not
On Sun, 04 Oct 2009 00:58:56 +0100
AllenJB wrote:
> I have no intention of "shitting all over" anybodys work. My apologies
> if that was the interpretation. I'm simply escalating an issue I have
> raised before to somewhere I think it'll get more attention.
I realize (now) it wasn't your intentio
On Sat, 03 Oct 2009 15:54:31 +0100
AllenJB wrote:
> I have tried to bring up the issues on the docs team list but pretty
> much get shot down and told everything is fine and dandy.
Going to have to call "bullshit" on this one. Who told you that on the lists?
Have you *seen* *any* of the posts *
On Fri, 02 Oct 2009 08:52:24 +0200
Rémi Cardona wrote:
> Thanks for the wording, I've somewhat made it a bit stronger.
>
> @Dev, please ACK or NAK or whatever.
Looks good to me. (Both as a dev and as a PR member.)
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