Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo-sources - should we stable?

2015-01-15 Thread Sergey Popov
03.01.2015 00:53, Mike Pagano пишет: On Saturday, January 03, 2015 12:39:39 AM Mikle Kolyada wrote: 02.01.2015 20:25, Mike Pagano пишет: This is in no way complaining about how long it takes to stabilize a kernel. As for this fact. hat type=arch teams developer The main problem is that:

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo-sources - should we stable?

2015-01-15 Thread Rich Freeman
On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 3:31 AM, Sergey Popov pinkb...@gentoo.org wrote: So, i like your idea to stick stable to the LTS kernel. While it can lead to potential problems with some external modules(which are, for example, marked stable now but does not support 3.4 kernel) the majority of really

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo-sources - should we stable?

2015-01-15 Thread Kristian Fiskerstrand
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 01/15/2015 11:01 AM, Rich Freeman wrote: On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 3:31 AM, Sergey Popov pinkb...@gentoo.org wrote: So, i like your idea to stick stable to the LTS kernel. While it can lead to potential problems with some external modules(which

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo-sources - should we stable?

2015-01-03 Thread Pacho Ramos
El vie, 02-01-2015 a las 12:25 -0500, Mike Pagano escribió: Hello, Everyone, Are there solid arguments for stabilizing any version of gentoo-sources? I think the valid arguments for not stabilizing gentoo-sources can be garnered from the thread about not stabilizing vanilla-sources[1].

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo-sources - should we stable?

2015-01-03 Thread Mike Pagano
On Saturday, January 03, 2015 11:18:26 AM Pacho Ramos wrote: El vie, 02-01-2015 a las 12:25 -0500, Mike Pagano escribió: Hello, Everyone, [2] http://packages.gentoo.org/package/sys-kernel/gentoo-sources In my case I still run only stable gentoo-sources in many machines to prevent

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo-sources - should we stable?

2015-01-03 Thread Pacho Ramos
El sáb, 03-01-2015 a las 10:14 -0500, Mike Pagano escribió: [...] Hi, Pacho, I think if you read further in the thread and find Ian's suggestion, it should cover your needs nicely. Mike Yeah, that suggestion looks nice to me, thanks :)

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo-sources - should we stable?

2015-01-02 Thread Mike Pagano
On Friday, January 02, 2015 01:10:21 PM Ian Stakenvicius wrote: Resending as I replied to Ian instead of the list by accident. (sorry, Ian) On 02/01/15 12:25 PM, Mike Pagano wrote: Hello, Everyone, Are there solid arguments for stabilizing any version of gentoo-sources? I think the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo-sources - should we stable?

2015-01-02 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 02/01/15 03:17 PM, Mike Pagano wrote: On Friday, January 02, 2015 03:11:22 PM Ian Stakenvicius wrote: On 02/01/15 02:57 PM, Mike Pagano wrote: I understand your point. Maybe waiting a few days to auto stable makes sense, because less than 7

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo-sources - should we stable?

2015-01-02 Thread Mike Pagano
On Friday, January 02, 2015 04:05:42 PM Rich Freeman wrote: On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 3:44 PM, Mike Pagano mpag...@gentoo.org wrote: To summarize. In this instance, as this moment: 1. Only enter stable req bugs for 3.18 and 3.17. I assume this bit is just a transition since we don't

[gentoo-dev] Gentoo-sources - should we stable?

2015-01-02 Thread Mike Pagano
Hello, Everyone, Are there solid arguments for stabilizing any version of gentoo-sources? I think the valid arguments for not stabilizing gentoo-sources can be garnered from the thread about not stabilizing vanilla-sources[1]. This is in no way complaining about how long it takes to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo-sources - should we stable?

2015-01-02 Thread Rich Freeman
On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 3:44 PM, Mike Pagano mpag...@gentoo.org wrote: To summarize. In this instance, as this moment: 1. Only enter stable req bugs for 3.18 and 3.17. I assume this bit is just a transition since we don't want to downgrade from 3.17/18 to 3.14, and that once we get the next

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo-sources - should we stable?

2015-01-02 Thread Mike Pagano
On Friday, January 02, 2015 03:11:22 PM Ian Stakenvicius wrote: On 02/01/15 02:57 PM, Mike Pagano wrote: I understand your point. Maybe waiting a few days to auto stable makes sense, because less than 7 days later, a new version with bug/security fixes is released. Isn't our current

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo-sources - should we stable?

2015-01-02 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 02/01/15 02:57 PM, Mike Pagano wrote: I understand your point. Maybe waiting a few days to auto stable makes sense, because less than 7 days later, a new version with bug/security fixes is released. Isn't our current rate of stabilization

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo-sources - should we stable?

2015-01-02 Thread Mikle Kolyada
02.01.2015 20:25, Mike Pagano пишет: This is in no way complaining about how long it takes to stabilize a kernel. As for this fact. hat type=arch teams developer The main problem is that: we only can test sources on machine we can reboot. For example me and Agostino have access to the rest

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo-sources - should we stable?

2015-01-02 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 02/01/15 12:25 PM, Mike Pagano wrote: Hello, Everyone, Are there solid arguments for stabilizing any version of gentoo-sources? I think the valid arguments for not stabilizing gentoo-sources can be garnered from the thread about not

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo-sources - should we stable?

2015-01-02 Thread Rich Freeman
On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 1:10 PM, Ian Stakenvicius a...@gentoo.org wrote: The thing about stable gentoo-sources is that it shows that it's been tested, and ideally that testing's been done against the rdeps of the kernel package too (ie, external modules). ... That said, given the frequency of

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo-sources - should we stable?

2015-01-02 Thread Mike Pagano
On Friday, January 02, 2015 02:18:24 PM Rich Freeman wrote: On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 1:10 PM, Ian Stakenvicius a...@gentoo.org wrote: The thing about stable gentoo-sources is that it shows that it's been tested, and ideally that testing's been done against the rdeps of the kernel package too

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo-sources - should we stable?

2015-01-02 Thread Rich Freeman
On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 3:11 PM, Ian Stakenvicius a...@gentoo.org wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 02/01/15 02:57 PM, Mike Pagano wrote: I understand your point. Maybe waiting a few days to auto stable makes sense, because less than 7 days later, a new version with

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo-sources - should we stable?

2015-01-02 Thread Mike Pagano
On Saturday, January 03, 2015 12:39:39 AM Mikle Kolyada wrote: 02.01.2015 20:25, Mike Pagano пишет: This is in no way complaining about how long it takes to stabilize a kernel. As for this fact. hat type=arch teams developer The main problem is that: we only can test sources on machine

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo-sources - should we stable?

2015-01-02 Thread Rich Freeman
On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 5:52 PM, Diamond diam...@hi-net.ru wrote: On Fri, 02 Jan 2015 12:25:56 -0500 Mike Pagano mpag...@gentoo.org wrote: Kernel versions are coming out 1-2 a week at this point. There's also a problem to upgrade kernel for a user every 1-2 week by hands using make oldconfig

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo-sources - should we stable?

2015-01-02 Thread Diamond
On Fri, 02 Jan 2015 12:25:56 -0500 Mike Pagano mpag...@gentoo.org wrote: Are there solid arguments for stabilizing any version of gentoo-sources? I think the valid arguments for not stabilizing gentoo-sources can be garnered from the thread about not stabilizing vanilla-sources[1]. This

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo-sources - should we stable?

2015-01-02 Thread Mike Pagano
On Friday, January 02, 2015 03:22:31 PM Ian Stakenvicius wrote: On 02/01/15 03:17 PM, Mike Pagano wrote: On Friday, January 02, 2015 03:11:22 PM Ian Stakenvicius wrote: On 02/01/15 02:57 PM, Mike Pagano wrote: I understand your point. Maybe waiting a few days to auto stable makes sense,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo-sources - should we stable?

2015-01-02 Thread Mike Pagano
On Friday, January 02, 2015 03:30:40 PM Rich Freeman wrote: On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 3:11 PM, Ian Stakenvicius a...@gentoo.org wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 02/01/15 02:57 PM, Mike Pagano wrote: I understand your point. Maybe waiting a few days to auto stable