Re: Discussing defaults (Was: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in virtual/ffmpeg: ffmpeg-9.ebuild ChangeLog ffmpeg-0.10.2-r1.ebuild)

2013-02-12 Thread Luca Barbato
On 12/02/13 08:21, Ian Whyman wrote: Guys, Can we not just have a developer wide vote or something? This instance clearly not going to resole itself. It is a little bikeshed. Originally the virtual was ordered in a way, then ordered in another and now we are discussing which one is better

Re: Discussing defaults (Was: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in virtual/ffmpeg: ffmpeg-9.ebuild ChangeLog ffmpeg-0.10.2-r1.ebuild)

2013-02-12 Thread Rich Freeman
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 2:21 AM, Ian Whyman thev00...@gentoo.org wrote: Can we not just have a developer wide vote or something? This instance clearly not going to resole itself. I don't think the average developer is really in a good position to resolve this - it will just create a whole lot

Re: Discussing defaults (Was: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in virtual/ffmpeg: ffmpeg-9.ebuild ChangeLog ffmpeg-0.10.2-r1.ebuild)

2013-02-12 Thread Alexis Ballier
On Tue, 12 Feb 2013 12:16:22 +0100 Luca Barbato lu_z...@gentoo.org wrote: On 12/02/13 08:21, Ian Whyman wrote: Guys, Can we not just have a developer wide vote or something? This instance clearly not going to resole itself. It is a little bikeshed. Originally the virtual was ordered

Discussing defaults (Was: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in virtual/ffmpeg: ffmpeg-9.ebuild ChangeLog ffmpeg-0.10.2-r1.ebuild)

2013-02-11 Thread Luca Barbato
On 11/02/13 03:01, Alexis Ballier wrote: Sorry, I was away this week end... Not a problem, I should be reachable anytime today. This is only because libav people do not care at all about what FFmpeg defines, while FFmpeg seems to care more about its consumers and users by trying to provide a

Re: Discussing defaults (Was: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in virtual/ffmpeg: ffmpeg-9.ebuild ChangeLog ffmpeg-0.10.2-r1.ebuild)

2013-02-11 Thread Alexis Ballier
On Mon, 11 Feb 2013 12:25:36 +0100 Luca Barbato lu_z...@gentoo.org wrote: On 11/02/13 03:01, Alexis Ballier wrote: Sorry, I was away this week end... Not a problem, I should be reachable anytime today. Will ping you. This is only because libav people do not care at all about what

Re: Discussing defaults (Was: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in virtual/ffmpeg: ffmpeg-9.ebuild ChangeLog ffmpeg-0.10.2-r1.ebuild)

2013-02-11 Thread Alexis Ballier
On Mon, 11 Feb 2013 17:22:16 +0100 Peter Stuge pe...@stuge.se wrote: Alexis, Alexis Ballier wrote: All of this because ~10 people cannot work together, well, really, thank you :) Do you have experience from being in a similar situation? You are being quite judgemental. There are

Re: Discussing defaults (Was: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in virtual/ffmpeg: ffmpeg-9.ebuild ChangeLog ffmpeg-0.10.2-r1.ebuild)

2013-02-11 Thread Peter Stuge
Alexis - thanks a lot for the awesome response! Alexis Ballier wrote: 'those who are right' (Just a note that I am in no way invested in libav/ffmpeg, I merely speak from experience with another fork.) However, as I said, maybe with an incorrect tone, I do not think libav ignoring what

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2013-02-11 Thread Luca Barbato
Your whole email is derailing a bit from discussing the code at hand and it is going deep down on the people, I'd rather not get there since it gets totally unrelated the question at hand. On 11/02/13 14:49, Alexis Ballier wrote: All of this because ~10 people cannot work together, well, really,

Re: Discussing defaults (Was: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in virtual/ffmpeg: ffmpeg-9.ebuild ChangeLog ffmpeg-0.10.2-r1.ebuild)

2013-02-11 Thread Peter Stuge
Luca Barbato wrote: May I point you that ~10 people were the majority of what was FFmpeg, thus 10 people were enough to demote democratically the so called Leader and that guy got the name from Fabrice as his personal decision? There was probably a reason for Fabrice to do that, and majority

Re: Discussing defaults (Was: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in virtual/ffmpeg: ffmpeg-9.ebuild ChangeLog ffmpeg-0.10.2-r1.ebuild)

2013-02-11 Thread Alexis Ballier
On Mon, 11 Feb 2013 22:04:43 +0100 Luca Barbato lu_z...@gentoo.org wrote: Your whole email is derailing a bit from discussing the code at hand and it is going deep down on the people, I'd rather not get there since it gets totally unrelated the question at hand. I'm not sure if you read my

Re: Discussing defaults (Was: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in virtual/ffmpeg: ffmpeg-9.ebuild ChangeLog ffmpeg-0.10.2-r1.ebuild)

2013-02-11 Thread Luca Barbato
On 11/02/13 22:33, Peter Stuge wrote: Luca Barbato wrote: May I point you that ~10 people were the majority of what was FFmpeg, thus 10 people were enough to demote democratically the so called Leader and that guy got the name from Fabrice as his personal decision? There was probably a

Re: Discussing defaults (Was: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in virtual/ffmpeg: ffmpeg-9.ebuild ChangeLog ffmpeg-0.10.2-r1.ebuild)

2013-02-11 Thread Peter Stuge
Luca Barbato wrote: Users will never be satisfied. But I guess you agree that API compatibility will certainly avoid extra problems for users. It is not related to users, I was trying to come back on topic. :) is related to me being called as swine a traitor and having death threats.

Re: Discussing defaults (Was: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in virtual/ffmpeg: ffmpeg-9.ebuild ChangeLog ffmpeg-0.10.2-r1.ebuild)

2013-02-11 Thread Ian Whyman
Guys, Can we not just have a developer wide vote or something? This instance clearly not going to resole itself. Sometimes it seems that endless mailing list threads are the Gentoo way, its a surprise we get anything done! Ian