Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] an official Gentoo wiki

On 10 April 2010 06:10, William Hubbs wrote: > On Mon, Apr 05, 2010 at 01:19:32AM +0200, Ben de Groot wrote: >> On 3 April 2010 20:56, George Prowse wrote: >> > Does mediawiki have captcha ability? >> >> Yes, there are a number of solutions for that. > >  I realize I am very late on this thread,

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] an official Gentoo wiki

On Mon, Apr 05, 2010 at 01:19:32AM +0200, Ben de Groot wrote: > On 3 April 2010 20:56, George Prowse wrote: > > Does mediawiki have captcha ability? > > Yes, there are a number of solutions for that. I realize I am very late on this thread, but please do not go here unless you provide an audi

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Pheonix] Heartbeat team force

On 04/08/10 21:16, Robin H. Johnson wrote: > On Wed, Apr 07, 2010 at 01:20:11PM +0200, Sebastian Pipping wrote: >> Current results >> === >> Bug load per developer >> -- >> http://dev.gentoo.org/~sping/bug-heartbeat/report--bug-count-by-person.html > What's the actua

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Pheonix] Heartbeat team force

On Wed, Apr 07, 2010 at 01:20:11PM +0200, Sebastian Pipping wrote: > Current results > === > Bug load per developer > -- > http://dev.gentoo.org/~sping/bug-heartbeat/report--bug-count-by-person.html What's the actual math that you're using (it wasn't clear in your re

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Pheonix] Heartbeat team force

On 04/07/10 21:24, Ben de Groot wrote: >> with the herd "embedded" it's difficult though: the page >> >> lists members for it but the page source does not >> hold it, explicitly. where does it come from? > > It does, as can be seen in > http

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Pheonix] Heartbeat team force

On 7 April 2010 20:55, Sebastian Pipping wrote: >  welp >  drizzt >  aballier >  the_paya > > that looks usable. Except that it's out of date as welp is retired. > with the herd "embedded" it's difficult though: the page > > lists members f

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Pheonix] Heartbeat team force

On 04/07/10 14:00, Ben de Groot wrote: > On 7 April 2010 13:20, Sebastian Pipping wrote: >> - herds.xml does not hold membership lists for >> all projects, not even herds. The load >> evaluator needs access to complete mappings >> to generate output close to reality. >> How can such a ma

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] recruitment process

On Monday 05 April 2010 21:51:34 Nathan Zachary wrote: > On 05/04/10 11:07, Jon Portnoy wrote: > > On Mon, Apr 05, 2010 at 08:50:49AM +0300, Eray Aslan wrote: > >> Just replying randomly. > >> > >> On 05.04.2010 04:33, Tobias Heinlein wrote: > >>> I think this is a good starting point to get rid o

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Pheonix] Heartbeat team force

On 7 April 2010 13:20, Sebastian Pipping wrote: >  - herds.xml does not hold membership lists for >   all projects, not even herds.  The load >   evaluator needs access to complete mappings >   to generate output close to reality. >   How can such a mapping be made without >   duplicating data? h

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Pheonix] Heartbeat team force

On 04/04/10 00:24, Sebastian Pipping wrote: > Concrete tasks > == > - [..] > - work on association between bugs and packages > (for all bugs, not just bugday ones) I've been playing with code answering the questions: - How do bugs and packages relate? - How is bugload distributed acr

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] recruitment process

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05-04-2010 18:26, Zeerak Mustafa Waseem wrote: > On Mon, Apr 05, 2010 at 04:07:01PM +, Jon Portnoy wrote: > There should be a process of weeding out developers that bitch and/or whine, > but if most of the teams are understaffed then there has

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] recruitment process

On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 12:51 PM, Nathan Zachary wrote: > [...] but it > would be much more enlightening to me to work on creating ebuilds while > working one-on-one with a mentor. The whole purpose of the training period between the ebuild quiz and the end quiz (see [1]) is exactly this. If your

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] recruitment process

On 05/04/10 11:07, Jon Portnoy wrote: > On Mon, Apr 05, 2010 at 08:50:49AM +0300, Eray Aslan wrote: > >> Just replying randomly. >> >> On 05.04.2010 04:33, Tobias Heinlein wrote: >> >>> I think this is a good starting point to get rid of the "some important >>> questions are too hard to ans

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] recruitment process

On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 11:57 AM, Jon Portnoy wrote: > Which is all well and good -- the "you wrote some ebuilds so here's > your commit privs and @gentoo.org" approach to recruitment worked great > when Gentoo had a few dozen developers. > > Today QA is a bit more important, and development is oft

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] recruitment process

On Mon, Apr 05, 2010 at 05:50:49PM +0100, George Prowse wrote: > That assumes the system is working perfectly and the whole fact that > we are having this discussion would go against that. > > From what i've read in the community, lots of people would have no > problems helping out maintaining pac

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] recruitment process

On 04/05/2010 09:26 PM, Zeerak Mustafa Waseem wrote: > > The first option could be somewhat simple, we already have overlays > so those could simply be used. The second option (which would be the > best IMO) is a fair bit harder. The first thing that needs to be done > is find out why people don'

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] recruitment process

On 05/04/2010 17:07, Jon Portnoy wrote: On Mon, Apr 05, 2010 at 08:50:49AM +0300, Eray Aslan wrote: Just replying randomly. On 05.04.2010 04:33, Tobias Heinlein wrote: I think this is a good starting point to get rid of the "some important questions are too hard to answer" dilemma that can be

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] recruitment process

On Mon, Apr 05, 2010 at 04:07:01PM +, Jon Portnoy wrote: > On Mon, Apr 05, 2010 at 08:50:49AM +0300, Eray Aslan wrote: > > Just replying randomly. > > > > On 05.04.2010 04:33, Tobias Heinlein wrote: > > > I think this is a good starting point to get rid of the "some important > > > questions a

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] recruitment process

On Mon, Apr 05, 2010 at 08:50:49AM +0300, Eray Aslan wrote: > Just replying randomly. > > On 05.04.2010 04:33, Tobias Heinlein wrote: > > I think this is a good starting point to get rid of the "some important > > questions are too hard to answer" dilemma that can be implemented > > relatively fas

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] recruitment process

On 04/05/2010 03:48 AM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Mon, 05 Apr 2010 03:33:52 +0200 Tobias Heinlein wrote: 3) Questions that aren't that important at all and would just be "nice to know". [snip] Examples for these: 5. What is wrong with using $(somecommand) or `somecommand` or $ARCH insi

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] recruitment process

On 04/05/2010 05:36 AM, Alistair Bush wrote: >> On 4/3/10 3:40 PM, Ben de Groot wrote: >>> Are there any other ideas on how to improve our recruitment process? >> >> The idea appeared before, but I think it's worth noting. >> >> Either merge the ebuild and end quizzes, or make the split actually >>

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] recruitment process

On Mon, Apr 05, 2010 at 08:48:08AM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Mon, 05 Apr 2010 03:33:52 +0200 > Tobias Heinlein wrote: > > 3) Questions that aren't that important at all and would just be "nice > > to know". > > [snip] > > Examples for these: > > > > 5. What is wrong with using $(somecomm

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] recruitment process

On Mon, 05 Apr 2010 03:33:52 +0200 Tobias Heinlein wrote: > 3) Questions that aren't that important at all and would just be "nice > to know". > [snip] > Examples for these: > > 5. What is wrong with using $(somecommand) or `somecommand` or $ARCH > inside SRC_URI, DEPEND, etc? > [Devm

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] recruitment process

Just replying randomly. On 05.04.2010 04:33, Tobias Heinlein wrote: > I think this is a good starting point to get rid of the "some important > questions are too hard to answer" dilemma that can be implemented > relatively fast. On top of that I like Sebastian's idea to order the > quizzes by diff

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] an official Gentoo wiki

On 5 April 2010 10:34, Arun Raghavan wrote: > On 5 April 2010 08:13, Ben de Groot wrote: >> On 5 April 2010 03:13, Joshua Saddler wrote: [...] > You guys should take a while to cool off at this stage. Never mind me. I missed Ben's last email. -- Arun Raghavan http://arunraghavan.net/ (Ford_Pre

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] an official Gentoo wiki

On 5 April 2010 08:13, Ben de Groot wrote: > On 5 April 2010 03:13, Joshua Saddler wrote: [...] >> Really, you're mostly making a case for a graphical XML editor like Beacon, >> rather than making a case for a wiki. :) > > That would already be a big improvement, yes. > >> That's your problem, t

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] an official Gentoo wiki

On 5 April 2010 04:01, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote: >  * I congratulate everyone involved on this that is so motivated to > create a new option for hosting content for the Developers and Community > at large and wish all the best for this project. Thank you! >  * I would humbly like to sugg

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] an official Gentoo wiki

On 5 April 2010 03:13, Joshua Saddler wrote: > Let the renderer take care of the final rendering, as really, tags and markup > are all arbitrary. What should matter is how it appears in your webbrowser, > since that'll vary from the source view anyways. So why are you such a staunch defender of

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] recruitment process

> On 4/3/10 3:40 PM, Ben de Groot wrote: > > Are there any other ideas on how to improve our recruitment process? > > The idea appeared before, but I think it's worth noting. > > Either merge the ebuild and end quizzes, or make the split actually > meaningful. In my case I just finished both at t

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] an official Gentoo wiki

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03-04-2010 13:19, Ben de Groot wrote: < A proposal for a Gentoo WIKI that generated much replies> I have the following general comments about this thread. * I congratulate everyone involved on this that is so motivated to create a new option for

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] recruitment process

I'd first like to extend the idea of bug #312977. It's basically about a different level of detail for each question. I think the quiz questions can be divided into different groups: 1) Questions that are fun to answer. People should either already know the answer, know where to look, or be willi

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] an official Gentoo wiki

On Mon, 5 Apr 2010 02:08:06 +0200 Ben de Groot wrote: > On 4 April 2010 21:33, Joshua Saddler wrote: > > Having to write a custom stylesheet just to get one wiki page to do what > > you want is pretty dumb. > > Yes it would be. The idea is that you design consistent styling from > the get-go, s

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] an official Gentoo wiki

Alistair Bush wrote: > I'm not overly concerned about what wiki we use. But may I suggest we > approach gentoo-wiki to see whether they would like to be involved. +1, especially the "overly concerned" part. Seriously folks. Just start it. Take whatever you as a person feel comfortable with. Tal

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] an official Gentoo wiki

On 5 April 2010 02:02, Alistair Bush wrote: > I'm not overly concerned about what wiki we use.   But may I suggest we > approach gentoo-wiki to see whether they would like to be involved. If anybody wants to approach them, that is fine by me. I'm probably not the right person for that job, due to

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] an official Gentoo wiki

On 4 April 2010 21:33, Joshua Saddler wrote: > Having to write a custom stylesheet just to get one wiki page to do what you > want is pretty dumb. Yes it would be. The idea is that you design consistent styling from the get-go, so your stylesheets will be ready for those needs. Pretty much the s

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] an official Gentoo wiki

> 1 - requirements > > > In order to choose the best possible wiki implementation, we need to > know our requirements. So what features do you think are essential or > good to have? What syntax would we prefer to use? > > I myself am a big fan of reStructuredText, which is quite

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] an official Gentoo wiki

On Sun, Apr 04, 2010 at 11:21:13PM +0100, AllenJB wrote: > The way I see it, the "official" wiki has to earn my respect as a > project. The unofficial wiki already has already been through this > process. It's no different whether I'm trying a new piece of software or > a new distro. > > It's not

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] an official Gentoo wiki

On 3 April 2010 20:56, George Prowse wrote: > Does mediawiki have captcha ability? Yes, there are a number of solutions for that. -- Ben de Groot Gentoo Linux Qt project lead developer

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] an official Gentoo wiki

On 5 April 2010 00:21, AllenJB wrote: > My problem is with the attitude of "let's start the official wiki by > taking the content of the unofficial wiki, regardless of the wishes of > the active contributors of those articles". [...] > If those who wish to run an official wiki can see no sensible

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] an official Gentoo wiki

On 04/04/10 23:45, Zeerak Mustafa Waseem wrote: > On Sun, Apr 04, 2010 at 04:13:19PM +0100, AllenJB wrote: >> The unofficial wiki may have been created because there wasn't an >> official one, but that doesn't mean it's any less of a community in its >> own right. >> >> Starting the official wiki b

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] an official Gentoo wiki

On Sun, Apr 04, 2010 at 04:13:19PM +0100, AllenJB wrote: > The unofficial wiki may have been created because there wasn't an > official one, but that doesn't mean it's any less of a community in its > own right. > > Starting the official wiki by effectively ripping off others work and > attempting

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] an official Gentoo wiki

On 04/04/2010 20:33, Joshua Saddler wrote: On Sun, 4 Apr 2010 17:23:54 +0200 Ben de Groot wrote: ... ... GuideXML is only easy if you are used to xml or html. Wikimarkup is only easy if you are used to it as well. The difference is that with mediawiki all you have to do is press a button

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] an official Gentoo wiki

On Sun, 4 Apr 2010 17:23:54 +0200 Ben de Groot wrote: > As has been pointed out, your table example was unfair, as they don't > do the same thing. I would frown on such inline styling (that's what > stylesheets are for), and there are a number of ways you can markup > tables in wikis. One is to a

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] an official Gentoo wiki

Ben de Groot dixit (2010-04-04, 14:31): > On 4 April 2010 10:48, Antoni Grzymala wrote: > > > > Has anyone considered the immensely powerful twiki? > > No. So tell us why we should. Specifically, how does it compare to > MediaWiki in terms of features and performance? I don't have any particula

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] recruitment process

On 4 April 2010 11:43, Petteri Räty wrote: > Mentors can already suggest their students to do them in reverse order. > As always patches to separate technical and organizational stuff to > their own quizzes are accepted. My time on recruiting is quite maxed out > already. Doing this means just not

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] an official Gentoo wiki

On 4 April 2010 17:13, AllenJB wrote: > The unofficial wiki may have been created because there wasn't an > official one, but that doesn't mean it's any less of a community in its > own right. And that doesn't mean that community wouldn't be interested to work on a new, official wiki that concent

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] an official Gentoo wiki

On 4 April 2010 16:33, AllenJB wrote: > I'd like to ask what you think in launching a site that simply clones an > existing site is? Why take all the hard work the editors have put into > their articles on the unofficial wiki and duplicate them on another > site, creating TWO copies, both of which

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] an official Gentoo wiki

On 4 April 2010 17:36, wrote: > Hm. Can you all just talk to the admin of gentoo-wiki and make it official? Been there, done that. He's not interested. -- Ben de Groot Gentoo Linux Qt project lead developer

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] an official Gentoo wiki

Hm. Can you all just talk to the admin of gentoo-wiki and make it official?

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] an official Gentoo wiki

On 4 April 2010 09:31, Joshua Saddler wrote: > On Sun, 4 Apr 2010 03:20:53 +0200 > Ben de Groot wrote: >> >> GuideXML documents are often experienced as an unnecessary >> >> barrier. >> > >> > I think you should clearly state again that this is not gonna replace >> > GuideXML, just migrate a few

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] recruitment process

Sebastian Pipping wrote: > On 04/03/10 21:00, Jesus Rivero (Neurogeek) wrote: > >>Maybe if we could find the way to make the knowledge found in >> quizzes be more "exciting" to new devs, then we could still have a >> strong recruitment process without the burden of completing the >> quizzes.

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] an official Gentoo wiki

On 04/04/10 15:47, Dror Levin wrote: > Creating just another wiki is what's pointless. What I want is to > deprecate all unofficial wikis (there are others besides > gentoo-wiki.com) which were created simply because there never was an > official one and creating chaos, then centralize everything i

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] an official Gentoo wiki

On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 17:33, AllenJB wrote: > I'd like to ask what you think in launching a site that simply clones an > existing site is? Why take all the hard work the editors have put into > their articles on the unofficial wiki and duplicate them on another > site, creating TWO copies, both o

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] an official Gentoo wiki

On 04/04/10 15:15, Dror Levin wrote: > At first, I'd wish for things to be migrated from the unofficial wiki > (if the license does not allow for copying, then re-writing it. Our > users will do a lot of it, I'm sure). I'd wish to migrate a lot of > things from the forums, after getting the authors

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] an official Gentoo wiki

On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 10:31, Joshua Saddler wrote: > No, he's definitely out to kill GuideXML. Just give him time. Why the antagonism? Ben isn't out to kill anything, he has no personal vendetta against anything. Actually, nothing here is personal, but you seem offended by some of the things whic

RE: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] an official Gentoo wiki

> Show me a wiki that produces such beautiful code samples (with titles). Show > me a wiki that can produce the following formatting for ebuilds: > > http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/xml-guide.xml#doc_chap2_sect7 > > . . . or a wiki that makes it super-easy to add all sorts of additional > in-line

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] an official Gentoo wiki

On 4 April 2010 10:48, Antoni Grzymala wrote: > > Has anyone considered the immensely powerful twiki? No. So tell us why we should. Specifically, how does it compare to MediaWiki in terms of features and performance? Cheers, -- Ben de Groot Gentoo Linux Qt project lead developer

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] an official Gentoo wiki

On 4 April 2010 10:47, Sebastian Pipping wrote: > On 04/04/10 10:29, Arun Raghavan wrote: >> We _should_ have a wiki for easy note-taking, >> maintaining todo lists, possibly even meeting minutes > > I suppose this^^^ is both a good solution and compromise, > both to wiki-fans and the doc team. >

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] an official Gentoo wiki

On 04/04/10 08:31, Joshua Saddler wrote: > completely untrue> GuideXML may be better for the Handbook use case, with its ability to produce single page and multipage documents, but frankly I think that for the rest of the documentation, most of which only covers 1 or 2 pages, the ease of learning

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] recruitment process

On 04/04/2010 12:48 AM, Sebastian Pipping wrote: > On 04/03/10 21:00, Jesus Rivero (Neurogeek) wrote: >>Maybe if we could find the way to make the knowledge found in >> quizzes be more "exciting" to new devs, then we could still have a >> strong recruitment process without the burden of complet

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] an official Gentoo wiki

On Sun, 04 Apr 2010 01:37:03 +0200, Sebastian Pipping wrote: > [...] > > >> Here's another idea: > >> The German Wikipedia uses a concept called "sighted revisions". If > >> you visit an article without logging in you will see the latest > >> sighted revision, as an identified user you can also v

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] an official Gentoo wiki

On Sun, 4 Apr 2010 10:48:52 +0200, Antoni Grzymala wrote: > > Has anyone considered the immensely powerful twiki? > The Webs concept of TWiki is interesting and the table editing nifty, but we would need to assess if it matches our goals. I somehow fear that it outreaches our aims a bit. --

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] an official Gentoo wiki

On Sun, 4 Apr 2010 00:31:52 -0700, Joshua Saddler wrote: > > No, he's definitely out to kill GuideXML. Just give him time. > At least for official documentation, that should not happen. (That excludes non-doc parts of the website though imo. GuideXML is a XML "DSL" designed for documentation,

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] an official Gentoo wiki

On 04/04/10 10:48, Antoni Grzymala wrote: > Has anyone considered the immensely powerful twiki? if the wikis i have worked with twiki was the least fun. it feels "strange" and it's native syntax sucks big time, to say the least. sebastian

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] an official Gentoo wiki

Joshua Saddler dixit (2010-04-04, 00:31): > Show me a wiki that has the flexibility of our handbook, which can be > a huge printer-friendly all-in-one doc, or an as-you-need-it doc with > one page per chapter. > > Show me a wiki that has built-in intradoc linking to every paragraph, > chapter, su

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] an official Gentoo wiki

On 04/04/10 10:29, Arun Raghavan wrote: > We _should_ have a wiki for easy note-taking, > maintaining todo lists, possibly even meeting minutes. But our > official documentation should go through sufficient review and > formatting to make sure we maintain the quality of documentation that > we have

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] an official Gentoo wiki

On 4 April 2010 13:01, Joshua Saddler wrote: [...] >> I am not pushing for our existing documentation to be migrated into a >> wiki at this point. But I think that once the place is there, and it >> functions well, it would be the obvious next step to do so. As I said >> before, the barrier to con

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] an official Gentoo wiki

On Sun, 4 Apr 2010 03:20:53 +0200 Ben de Groot wrote: > >> GuideXML documents are often experienced as an unnecessary > >> barrier. > > > > I think you should clearly state again that this is not gonna replace > > GuideXML, just migrate a few use cases where a wiki fits better. > > This is what yo

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Pheonix] Heartbeat team force

On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 6:27 PM, Sebastian Pipping wrote: > On 04/04/10 00:30, Jesus Rivero (Neurogeek) wrote: >>    Sebastian, count me in. > > Cool! > > >> I believe this sort of stuff, or small >> parts of what you are mentioning, was done in the newsletter. I >> believe this is something real n

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] an official Gentoo wiki

On 4 April 2010 01:37, Sebastian Pipping wrote: > Btw was it Fedora having moved from MoinMoin to MediaWiki? > I remember something like that, could be erring though. You are right. Here are some relevant links a quick Google search turned up for me: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructur

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] an official Gentoo wiki

On 04/04/10 02:11, Sylvain Alain wrote: > I hope that you will not migrate the GuideXML inside the wiki, because > it's so simple to write documentations inside a wiki and right now the > unofficial Gentoo Wiki is clean and simple. > > If you want to have registered users and contributors, then yo

RE: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] an official Gentoo wiki

> Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2010 01:37:03 +0200 > From: sp...@gentoo.org > To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org > Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] an official Gentoo wiki > > On 04/03/10 16:46, Ben de Groot wrote: > >> I propose to use MediaWiki. > > > >

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] an official Gentoo wiki

Ben, good to see you driving this process! Thanks! Sebastian

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] an official Gentoo wiki

On 04/03/10 16:36, Ben de Groot wrote: > This also raises the question of license. Our current documentation > mostly uses the CC-BY-SA license, while the unoffical wiki adds a > non-commercial restriction. By choosing one license over the other > we will make copy-pasting content from the source t

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] an official Gentoo wiki

On 04/03/10 16:46, Ben de Groot wrote: >> I propose to use MediaWiki. > > As I said in my other post, MediaWiki and MoinMoin should, in my > opinion, be on our shortlist to consider. My vote on MediaWiki, too. (I do like DokuWiki better for personal things but mediaWiki seems the best choice for

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Pheonix] Heartbeat team force

On 04/04/10 00:42, Alec Warner wrote: > I will help with scripting; but probably not much else. Just right, there will be lots of scripting :-) The current script dumping groud is hosted here: http://git.goodpoint.de/?p=gentoo-bug-heartbeat.git;a=summary Sebastian

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Pheonix] Heartbeat team force

On 04/04/10 00:30, Jesus Rivero (Neurogeek) wrote: >Sebastian, count me in. Cool! > I believe this sort of stuff, or small > parts of what you are mentioning, was done in the newsletter. I > believe this is something real nice we should put somewhere public. Can you elaborate on that? I'm

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Pheonix] Heartbeat team force

On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 3:24 PM, Sebastian Pipping wrote: > I'm calling for participation in a new team working on things around > reports, bug analysis, heartbeat tracking in Gentoo: I will help with scripting; but probably not much else. -A > > > Goals > = > - help track the heartbeat/brea

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Pheonix] Heartbeat team force

On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 5:54 PM, Sebastian Pipping wrote: > I'm calling for participation in a new team working on things around > reports, bug analysis, heartbeat tracking in Gentoo: > > > Goals > = > - help track the heartbeat/breath of Gentoo >    (bugs fixed per day, bug distribution per he

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] recruitment process

On 04/03/10 21:00, Jesus Rivero (Neurogeek) wrote: >Maybe if we could find the way to make the knowledge found in > quizzes be more "exciting" to new devs, then we could still have a > strong recruitment process without the burden of completing the > quizzes. So, what I propose is to transform

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] recruitment process

On 04/03/10 16:05, Petteri Räty wrote: > http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/devrel/staffing-needs/ > > I don't know if developers know that this page is autogenerated from > individual project pages these days so it's easy for any developer to > get stuff there. Has anyone every tried to read that pag

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] an official Gentoo wiki

On Sat, 3 Apr 2010 15:19:20 +0200, Ben de Groot wrote: > Okay, so it seems a lot of people do want a wiki. So let's see what > we can do to make that happen. > I created a Wiki page (oh, the irony) to track the results of this thread in the Gentoo eV wiki: http://gentoo-ev.org/wiki/Official_Gen

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] an official Gentoo wiki

On Sat, 03 Apr 2010 19:56:53 +0100, George Prowse wrote: > Does mediawiki have captcha ability? > Yes, there are plug-ins provide that functionality. [1] Let's get a general Wiki concept done before talking about spam remedy in detail, though. :) [1] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Comb

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] recruitment process

Hi guys, On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 9:10 AM, Ben de Groot wrote: > On 3 April 2010 13:33, Richard Freeman wrote: >> I really think that the Gentoo recruitment process needs improvement. Right >> now it seems like a LOT of effort is required both to become a Gentoo dev >> and to help somebody become

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] an official Gentoo wiki

On 03/04/2010 18:40, AllenJB wrote: On 03/04/10 14:40, Dror Levin wrote: On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 16:19, Ben de Groot wrote: 2 - maintainers === Who is volunteering for maintaining the wiki? We need editors and moderators, people who look out for quality control and take care of spa

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] an official Gentoo wiki

On 03/04/10 14:40, Dror Levin wrote: > On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 16:19, Ben de Groot wrote: >> 2 - maintainers >> === >> >> Who is volunteering for maintaining the wiki? We need editors and >> moderators, people who look out for quality control and take care of >> spam removal. So let's g

RE: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] an official Gentoo wiki

areas. > Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2010 10:04:38 -0400 > From: guy.fonta...@videotron.qc.ca > To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org > Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] an official Gentoo wiki > > Hi ! > > I maintain Gentoo-Québec wiki. I'm not the only one as d2_racing and

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] an official Gentoo wiki

On 03/04/10 08:40, Dror Levin wrote: > On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 16:19, Ben de Groot wrote: > >> 1 - requirements >> >> >> In order to choose the best possible wiki implementation, we need to >> know our requirements. So what features do you think are essential or >> good to have?

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] an official Gentoo wiki

On 3 April 2010 16:30, Alex Legler wrote: > I propose to use MediaWiki. As I said in my other post, MediaWiki and MoinMoin should, in my opinion, be on our shortlist to consider. > I'd be interested in helping out with the backend part, i.e. setting up > and maintaining the Wiki software and the

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] an official Gentoo wiki

On 3 April 2010 16:12, Tobias Scherbaum wrote: > Am Samstag, den 03.04.2010, 16:40 +0300 schrieb Dror Levin: >> There is currently a wiki for gentoo at gentoo-wiki.com, which is >> running MediaWiki, so it would be easiest to transfer the content if >> we were to run the same software. > > This sh

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] an official Gentoo wiki

On Sat, 3 Apr 2010 15:19:20 +0200, Ben de Groot wrote: > 1 - requirements > > > In order to choose the best possible wiki implementation, we need to > know our requirements. So what features do you think are essential or > good to have? What syntax would we prefer to use? > > [

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] recruitment process

On 03/04/2010 15:05, Petteri Räty wrote: On 04/03/2010 04:53 PM, George Prowse wrote: Armed with a list of where developers are spread too thinly, a willingness to answer questions (no matter how stupid you believe them to be) and some prior organisation then i see no reason why Gentoo wouldn'

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] an official Gentoo wiki

Am Samstag, den 03.04.2010, 16:40 +0300 schrieb Dror Levin: > There is currently a wiki for gentoo at gentoo-wiki.com, which is > running MediaWiki, so it would be easiest to transfer the content if > we were to run the same software. This should happen (if at all) on a per article basis imho. Hav

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] an official Gentoo wiki

On 3 April 2010 16:04, Guy Fontaine wrote: > I maintain Gentoo-Québec wiki. I'm not the only one as d2_racing and some > other members also do. I maintain CSS, examples and wrote almost 60% of the > stuff. > > If you think I could help, please just let me know. I think you can help. Stay in tou

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] recruitment process

On 04/03/2010 04:53 PM, George Prowse wrote: > > Armed with a list of where developers are spread too thinly, a > willingness to answer questions (no matter how stupid you believe them > to be) and some prior organisation then i see no reason why Gentoo > wouldn't get an immediate influx of at le

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] an official Gentoo wiki

Hi ! I maintain Gentoo-Québec wiki. I'm not the only one as d2_racing and some other members also do. I maintain CSS, examples and wrote almost 60% of the stuff. If you think I could help, please just let me know. The wiki : http://gentoo-quebec.org/wiki/index.php/Accueil Guy Fontaine

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] recruitment process

On 04/03/2010 04:40 PM, Ben de Groot wrote: > > Another problem I see is that our documentation seems to be scattered > all over the place. I propose that we make at least one portal page > for (prospective) developers that will link them to all the resources > they might need. It also means our

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] recruitment process

On 03/04/2010 14:40, Ben de Groot wrote: On 3 April 2010 13:33, Richard Freeman wrote: I really think that the Gentoo recruitment process needs improvement. Right now it seems like a LOT of effort is required both to become a Gentoo dev and to help somebody become a Gentoo dev. That means we h

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] recruitment process

On 4/3/10 3:40 PM, Ben de Groot wrote: > Are there any other ideas on how to improve our recruitment process? The idea appeared before, but I think it's worth noting. Either merge the ebuild and end quizzes, or make the split actually meaningful. In my case I just finished both at the same time,

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] an official Gentoo wiki

On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 16:19, Ben de Groot wrote: > 1 - requirements > > > In order to choose the best possible wiki implementation, we need to > know our requirements. So what features do you think are essential or > good to have? What syntax would we prefer to use? > > I myself

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