On 2017-07-15 01:34, Raymond Jennings wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 9:07 AM, Gordon Pettey wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 10:14 AM, William L. Thomson Jr. <
> > wlt...@o-sinc.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, 13 Jul 2017 01:03:00 +1000
> >> Sam Jorna wrote:
> >>
> >> > $ emerge -C apg
> >> >
On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 9:07 AM, Gordon Pettey wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 10:14 AM, William L. Thomson Jr. <
> wlt...@o-sinc.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 13 Jul 2017 01:03:00 +1000
>> Sam Jorna wrote:
>>
>> > $ emerge -C apg
>> > * This action can remove important packages! In order to be saf
El mié, 12-07-2017 a las 12:38 -0400, William L. Thomson Jr. escribió:
> On Wed, 12 Jul 2017 17:23:43 +0100
> "M. J. Everitt" wrote:
>
> > On 12/07/17 17:07, Gordon Pettey wrote:
> > > On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 10:14 AM, William L. Thomson Jr.
> > > mailto:wlt...@o-sinc.com>> wrote:
> > > That
On Wed, 12 Jul 2017 17:23:43 +0100
"M. J. Everitt" wrote:
> On 12/07/17 17:07, Gordon Pettey wrote:
> > On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 10:14 AM, William L. Thomson Jr.
> > mailto:wlt...@o-sinc.com>> wrote:
> > That is my point. That message is always there. The chance that
> > it is ignored is very
On Wed, 12 Jul 2017 11:07:00 -0500
Gordon Pettey wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 10:14 AM, William L. Thomson Jr.
> wrote:
>
> > That is my point. That message is always there. The chance that it
> > is ignored is very high.
> >
> >
> Stop signs on the road are also always there. If you get arr
On 12/07/17 17:07, Gordon Pettey wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 10:14 AM, William L. Thomson Jr.
> mailto:wlt...@o-sinc.com>> wrote:
>
> On Thu, 13 Jul 2017 01:03:00 +1000
> Sam Jorna mailto:wra...@gentoo.org>> wrote:
>
> > $ emerge -C apg
> > * This action can remove important p
On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 10:14 AM, William L. Thomson Jr.
wrote:
> On Thu, 13 Jul 2017 01:03:00 +1000
> Sam Jorna wrote:
>
> > $ emerge -C apg
> > * This action can remove important packages! In order to be safer,
> > use
> > * `emerge -pv --depclean ` to check for reverse dependencies
> > befo
On Thu, 13 Jul 2017 01:03:00 +1000
Sam Jorna wrote:
> On 13/07/17 00:19, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote:
> > It is YOUR comments that are funny, and going in a circular argument
> > just to be argumentative and bringing nothing useful to the
> > discussion. Which should be over now that bugs are fi
On 13/07/17 00:19, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote:
> It is YOUR comments that are funny, and going in a circular argument
> just to be argumentative and bringing nothing useful to the discussion.
> Which should be over now that bugs are filed
I'm not trying to be argumentative or antagonistic, I
On Wed, 12 Jul 2017 16:40:11 +1000
"Sam Jorna (wraeth)" wrote:
> If my concern in removing a package was whether it was a dependency,
> it would make more sense to use --depclean in the first place. If I'm
> using --unmerge, it's because I want the package unmerged regardless.
But you can't reme
On 12/07/17 16:06, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Jul 2017 15:49:14 +1000
> "Sam Jorna (wraeth)" wrote:
>>
>> I have trouble remembering what I ate for dinner last night, let alone
>> what I may or may not have merged a week, month or year ago, or what
>> options I used when merging it
On Wed, 12 Jul 2017 15:49:14 +1000
"Sam Jorna (wraeth)" wrote:
>
> I have trouble remembering what I ate for dinner last night, let alone
> what I may or may not have merged a week, month or year ago, or what
> options I used when merging it.
And if you used --oneshot, it is also saying you are n
On 12/07/17 15:36, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Jul 2017 15:19:32 +1000
> "Sam Jorna (wraeth)" wrote:
>
>> On 12/07/17 15:14, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote:
>>> Is it in system?
>>> Is it in a set?
>>> Is it in world?
>>> If no to all, its a dep, warn!
>>
>> All this says is whethe
On Wed, 12 Jul 2017 15:19:32 +1000
"Sam Jorna (wraeth)" wrote:
> On 12/07/17 15:14, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote:
> > Is it in system?
> > Is it in a set?
> > Is it in world?
> > If no to all, its a dep, warn!
>
> All this says is whether the package was explicitly installed and
> recorded in
On 12/07/17 15:14, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote:
> Is it in system?
> Is it in a set?
> Is it in world?
> If no to all, its a dep, warn!
All this says is whether the package was explicitly installed and
recorded in world, or is a member of @system. The target package may or
may not be a dependency
On Wed, 12 Jul 2017 15:00:30 +1000
"Sam Jorna (wraeth)" wrote:
>
> My point was that --unmerge is not intended to be dependency-aware.
> --depclean is. As far as I can tell, that is the point others have
> been trying to make as well, when pointing out the differences
> between -c and -C.
Sure b
On 12/07/17 14:43, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote:
>>> It is not the same as -C, which is remove a package directly.
>>>
>>> --unmerge (-C)
>> Correct, --unmerge will remove a package without considering
>> dependencies (give or take a few special cases). It is usually (or, at
>> least, should gen
On Wed, 12 Jul 2017 14:17:30 +1000
"Sam Jorna (wraeth)" wrote:
>
> --depclean is doing exactly what it is supposed to. If called with no
Problem is I was talking about removing packages directly. It served no
purpose in this discussion.
Since I use --depclean, not -c. I was assuming -c was unmer
On 12/07/17 10:05, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote:
> I should have caught that sooner. -c does not remove a package, it just
> removes its deps.
>
> -c == --depclean.
--depclean is doing exactly what it is supposed to. If called with no
arguments, it searches for any unneeded dependencies and remov
On Wed, 12 Jul 2017 00:00:24 -0400
"William L. Thomson Jr." wrote:
> Again I do much of this via ansible and profiles. I am not even using
> a world file, or sets even. I did use sets before my custom profiles.
> Did I always use -1 for the past over a decade no? Should all users
> have to in ord
On Wed, 12 Jul 2017 04:43:41 +0100
"M. J. Everitt" wrote:
>
> Of course, you can do what Poettering did, and write your own solution
> .. or fork portage to do things the way -you- want .. but don't
> reinvent the wheel for the rest of us .. that's what Choice and
> Gentoo is all about ...
Its
On Tue, 11 Jul 2017 23:22:12 -0400
"Walter Dnes" wrote:
>
> Step back for a minute, and relax. There is a reason you're getting
> blowback. You're asking for changes that would affect everybody else.
> This is similar in principle to what Lennart Poettering did, and
> you're getting the same
On 12/07/17 04:22, Walter Dnes wrote:
>
> Step back for a minute, and relax. There is a reason you're getting
> blowback. You're asking for changes that would affect everybody else.
> This is similar in principle to what Lennart Poettering did, and you're
> getting the same reaction he got. I
On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 04:57:21PM -0400, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote
> On Tue, 11 Jul 2017 13:27:57 -0700
> Daniel Campbell wrote:
>
> > Portage's fault. If you don't want a package added to a set or world,
> > you'll need to use the -1 (--oneshot) option.
>
> Did you even read above? I clearl
On Tue, 11 Jul 2017 14:32:27 -0700
Daniel Campbell wrote:
>
> I understand where you're coming from, I just thought to give a few
> tips to make life a bit easier for you since it works out pretty well
> for myself. I think your idea has merit, just unsure of where the
> functionality goes, since
On 07/11/2017 01:57 PM, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Jul 2017 13:27:57 -0700
> Daniel Campbell wrote:
>
>> On 07/10/2017 04:37 PM, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote:
>>> On Mon, 10 Jul 2017 19:22:47 -0400
>>
>>> A rule for portage could be;
>>>
>>> - If the package is not in world and a
On Tue, 11 Jul 2017 13:27:57 -0700
Daniel Campbell wrote:
> On 07/10/2017 04:37 PM, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote:
> > On Mon, 10 Jul 2017 19:22:47 -0400
>
> > A rule for portage could be;
> >
> > - If the package is not in world and already installed. Do not add
> > the package to world. If you
On 07/11/2017 01:27 PM, Daniel Campbell wrote:
> On 07/10/2017 04:37 PM, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote:
>> On Mon, 10 Jul 2017 19:22:47 -0400
>> "William L. Thomson Jr." wrote:
>>>
>>> That part does not require it to resolve deps. Just check world file,
>>> assuming its correct. Though could be th
On 07/10/2017 04:37 PM, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Jul 2017 19:22:47 -0400
> "William L. Thomson Jr." wrote:
>>
>> That part does not require it to resolve deps. Just check world file,
>> assuming its correct. Though could be thrown off if say gcc, or
>> another was in the world fi
On Mon, 10 Jul 2017 19:22:47 -0400
"William L. Thomson Jr." wrote:
>
> That part does not require it to resolve deps. Just check world file,
> assuming its correct. Though could be thrown off if say gcc, or
> another was in the world file. I think the profile or set would catch
> that as it does n
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