Re: [gentoo-dev] Move m68k, sh, s390 to ~arch

2013-09-26 Thread Patrick Lauer
On 09/25/2013 03:07 AM, Markos Chandras wrote: On 09/24/2013 07:28 PM, Agostino Sarubbo wrote: On 09/23/2013 22:41, Markos Chandras wrote: (unless of course you want to increase your number of cvs commits which is a worrying argument on its own) 11:16 #gentoo-bugs: +bonsaikitten ago: do me

[gentoo-dev] [RFC] Policy for migrating library consumers to subslots

2013-09-26 Thread Patrick Lauer
tl;dr: We should use EAPI5 features I've noticed some libraries (e.g. poppler) having (almost) all their consumers migrated to eapi5 subslots. So upgrading those is now really neato. Other libraries are still a bit less optimal. So there's lots of revdep-rebuild / emerge @preserved-rebuild

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Policy for migrating library consumers to subslots

2013-09-26 Thread Michał Górny
Dnia 2013-09-26, o godz. 15:15:38 Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org napisał(a): Thus I suggest declaring a policy: Any library bump that would trigger revdep-rebuild should be done with the affected library package.mask'ed until all its consumers have been properly bumped to subslot-aware

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Policy for migrating library consumers to subslots

2013-09-26 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Thu, 26 Sep 2013 20:51:26 +1000 Michael Palimaka kensing...@gentoo.org wrote: There isn't a 100% perfect solution currently, and I agree that hurrying people will simply move us from not enough rebuilds to too many rebuilds. This is still a huge improvement. -- Ciaran McCreesh

[gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Policy for migrating library consumers to subslots

2013-09-26 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 26/09/2013 20:55, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Thu, 26 Sep 2013 20:51:26 +1000 Michael Palimaka kensing...@gentoo.org wrote: There isn't a 100% perfect solution currently, and I agree that hurrying people will simply move us from not enough rebuilds to too many rebuilds. This is still a huge

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Policy for migrating library consumers to subslots

2013-09-26 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Thu, 26 Sep 2013 21:14:11 +1000 Michael Palimaka kensing...@gentoo.org wrote: On 26/09/2013 20:55, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Thu, 26 Sep 2013 20:51:26 +1000 Michael Palimaka kensing...@gentoo.org wrote: There isn't a 100% perfect solution currently, and I agree that hurrying people

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Policy for migrating library consumers to subslots

2013-09-26 Thread Kent Fredric
On 26 September 2013 19:53, Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote: How do we handle packages which install multiple libraries? I'm afraid forcing such a policy and/or hurrying developers to adapt will only cause more of poppler-like issues to occur. Can you give a an example package which: -

Re: [gentoo-dev] newsitem: initramfs required on Linux systems with separate /usr

2013-09-26 Thread William Hubbs
This should be the final version of the news item. If no one has any issues, I will push it on 27-Sep utc. Thanks, William Title: Separate /usr on Linux requires initramfs Author: William Hubbs willi...@gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain Posted: 2013-09-27 Revision: 1 News-Item-Format: 1.0

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Policy for migrating library consumers to subslots

2013-09-26 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 26/09/13 06:51 AM, Michael Palimaka wrote: On 26/09/2013 17:53, Michał Górny wrote: How do we handle packages which install multiple libraries? I'm afraid forcing such a policy and/or hurrying developers to adapt will only cause more of

[gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Policy for migrating library consumers to subslots

2013-09-26 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 27/09/2013 00:12, Ian Stakenvicius wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 26/09/13 06:51 AM, Michael Palimaka wrote: On 26/09/2013 17:53, Michał Górny wrote: How do we handle packages which install multiple libraries? I'm afraid forcing such a policy and/or hurrying

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in profiles/eapi-5-files: ChangeLog package.use.stable.mask

2013-09-26 Thread Mike Gilbert
On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 5:52 AM, Ian Delaney (idella4) idel...@gentoo.org wrote: idella4 13/09/26 09:52:25 Modified: ChangeLog package.use.stable.mask Log: Delete temp. entry of =app-emulation/xen-tools-4.2.1-r3 wrt Bug #484524 Revision ChangesPath 1.23

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Policy for migrating library consumers to subslots

2013-09-26 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
Am Donnerstag, 26. September 2013, 16:04:22 schrieb Kent Fredric: On 26 September 2013 19:53, Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote: How do we handle packages which install multiple libraries? I'm afraid forcing such a policy and/or hurrying developers to adapt will only cause more of

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Policy for migrating library consumers to subslots

2013-09-26 Thread Davide Pesavento
On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 4:04 PM, Kent Fredric kentfred...@gmail.com wrote: On 26 September 2013 19:53, Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote: How do we handle packages which install multiple libraries? I'm afraid forcing such a policy and/or hurrying developers to adapt will only cause more

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in profiles/eapi-5-files: ChangeLog package.use.stable.mask

2013-09-26 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 26/09/13 11:05 AM, Mike Gilbert wrote: On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 5:52 AM, Ian Delaney (idella4) idel...@gentoo.org wrote: idella4 13/09/26 09:52:25 Modified: ChangeLog package.use.stable.mask Log: Delete temp. entry of

Re: [gentoo-dev] newsitem: initramfs required on Linux systems with separate /usr

2013-09-26 Thread William Hubbs
All, I missed a message on this thread some how, thanks to tomwij for pointing this out. Here is the final version of the news item. Let me know if you have any issues. Otherwise this will be pushed on 27-Sep. Thanks, William Title: Separate /usr on Linux requires initramfs Author: William

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in profiles/eapi-5-files: ChangeLog package.use.stable.mask

2013-09-26 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 26/09/13 11:44 AM, Ian Stakenvicius wrote: On 26/09/13 11:05 AM, Mike Gilbert wrote: Ian: Why did you add an entry to package.use.stable.mask with my name attached to it? An entry that I removed several weeks ago, no less. Heh, oops!

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in profiles/eapi-5-files: ChangeLog package.use.stable.mask

2013-09-26 Thread IAN DELANEY
On Thu, 26 Sep 2013 11:05:54 -0400 Mike Gilbert flop...@gentoo.org wrote: On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 5:52 AM, Ian Delaney (idella4) idel...@gentoo.org wrote: idella4 13/09/26 09:52:25 Modified: ChangeLog package.use.stable.mask Log: Delete temp. entry of

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Policy for migrating library consumers to subslots

2013-09-26 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 26/09/13 11:24 AM, Davide Pesavento wrote: On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 4:04 PM, Kent Fredric kentfred...@gmail.com wrote: On 26 September 2013 19:53, Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote: How do we handle packages which install multiple

[gentoo-dev] Re: newsitem: initramfs required on Linux systems with separate /usr

2013-09-26 Thread Duncan
William Hubbs posted on Thu, 26 Sep 2013 09:10:49 -0500 as excerpted: If you have / and /usr on separate file systems and you are not currently using an initramfs, you must set one up before this date. Otherwise, at some point on or after this date, upgrading packages will make your system

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Policy for migrating library consumers to subslots

2013-09-26 Thread Alexis Ballier
please, not this again... please spend your time on something useful: fix bug #449094 and bug #462138 or propose something you think better for fixing the problems those bugs describe. subslots are far from perfect atm

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Policy for migrating library consumers to subslots

2013-09-26 Thread Kent Fredric
On 27 September 2013 03:10, Andreas K. Huettel dilfri...@gentoo.org wrote: app-text/poppler https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=462020 Reading this bug re-fuels my wish for virtuals to un-happen. Maintaining a virtual with a massive list of || ( ) conditions is so so painful,

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Policy for migrating library consumers to subslots

2013-09-26 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Thu, 26 Sep 2013 14:53:53 -0300 Alexis Ballier aball...@gentoo.org wrote: please spend your time on something useful: fix bug #449094 and bug #462138 or propose something you think better for fixing the problems those bugs describe. Those are both an awful lot of work for a very minimal

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Policy for migrating library consumers to subslots

2013-09-26 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Fri, 27 Sep 2013 06:00:01 +1200 Kent Fredric kentfred...@gmail.com wrote: ( virtual/perl-* is a maintenance nightmare ) virtual/perl-* is self-inflicted. -- Ciaran McCreesh signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Policy for migrating library consumers to subslots

2013-09-26 Thread Alexis Ballier
On Thu, 26 Sep 2013 18:53:14 +0100 Ciaran McCreesh ciaran.mccre...@googlemail.com wrote: On Thu, 26 Sep 2013 14:53:53 -0300 Alexis Ballier aball...@gentoo.org wrote: please spend your time on something useful: fix bug #449094 and bug #462138 or propose something you think better for

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Policy for migrating library consumers to subslots

2013-09-26 Thread Kent Fredric
On 27 September 2013 06:00, Kent Fredric kentfred...@gmail.com wrote: ie: every time there is a new iteration of Foo, one must iterate all the virtuals that relate to it, and vet their need to be updated, and every single update you do is just something thats easy to get wrong, when it

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Policy for migrating library consumers to subslots

2013-09-26 Thread Kent Fredric
On 27 September 2013 05:57, Ciaran McCreesh ciaran.mccre...@googlemail.comwrote: virtual/perl-* is self-inflicted. How would you recommend it? Like for instance, we really do need virtuals ( or equivalent ) for many things in there, because those things may stop being part of dev-lang/perl at

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Policy for migrating library consumers to subslots

2013-09-26 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Thu, 26 Sep 2013 15:06:44 -0300 Alexis Ballier aball...@gentoo.org wrote: On Thu, 26 Sep 2013 18:53:14 +0100 Ciaran McCreesh ciaran.mccre...@googlemail.com wrote: On Thu, 26 Sep 2013 14:53:53 -0300 Alexis Ballier aball...@gentoo.org wrote: please spend your time on something useful:

[gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Policy for migrating library consumers to subslots

2013-09-26 Thread Martin Vaeth
Kent Fredric kentfred...@gmail.com wrote: On 27 September 2013 05:57, Ciaran McCreesh ciaran.mccre...@googlemail.comwrote: virtual/perl-* is self-inflicted. How would you recommend it? For those which are provided by perl itself, you could have a corresponding useflag of dev-lang/perl and

Re: [gentoo-dev] newsitem: initramfs required on Linux systems with separate /usr

2013-09-26 Thread Rich Freeman
On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 11:03 AM, JD Horelick jdho...@gmail.com wrote: My only issue here is that I feel like we should give users a bit longer than one month (34 days, close enough) to make this change. In some cases, it may require a large, architectural change which may take a while to be

Re: [gentoo-dev] newsitem: initramfs required on Linux systems with separate /usr

2013-09-26 Thread Donnie Berkholz
On 11:03 Thu 26 Sep , JD Horelick wrote: My only issue here is that I feel like we should give users a bit longer than one month (34 days, close enough) to make this change. In some cases, it may require a large, architectural change which may take a while to be engineered and organized.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Policy for migrating library consumers to subslots

2013-09-26 Thread Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis
2013-09-26 17:04 Michael Palimaka napisał(a): What about when the subslot of boost was equal to ${PV}? Was it really a good idea to make everyone rebuild half their system for a bugfix release, without even checking if the ABI changed? It is wrong example due to 2 reasons: 1. Subslot of

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: newsitem: initramfs required on Linux systems with separate /usr

2013-09-26 Thread William Hubbs
On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 05:39:44PM +, Duncan wrote: William Hubbs posted on Thu, 26 Sep 2013 09:10:49 -0500 as excerpted: If you have / and /usr on separate file systems and you are not currently using an initramfs, you must set one up before this date. Otherwise, at some point on or

[gentoo-dev] Last rite: Further ruby-1.8 only packages

2013-09-26 Thread Manuel Rüger
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[gentoo-dev] Last rite: Further ruby-1.8 only packages II

2013-09-26 Thread Manuel Rüger
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