Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: last rites: sys-fs/eudev

2023-09-13 Thread Alex Boag-Munroe
On Thu, 14 Sept 2023 at 01:20, Madhu wrote: > > * Rich Freeman > : > Wrote on Tue, 12 Sep 2023 05:18:51 -0400: > > On Mon, Sep 11, 2023 at 10:34 PM orbea wrote: > >> Regardless the disappointment is a valid concern when Gentoo is willing > >> to pull the rug up from under users feet under

[gentoo-dev] Re: last rites: sys-fs/eudev

2023-09-13 Thread Madhu
* Rich Freeman : Wrote on Tue, 12 Sep 2023 05:18:51 -0400: > On Mon, Sep 11, 2023 at 10:34 PM orbea wrote: >> Regardless the disappointment is a valid concern when Gentoo is willing >> to pull the rug up from under users feet under erroneous claims of the >> project being dead. > As a complete

Re: [gentoo-dev] last rites: sys-fs/eudev

2023-09-13 Thread Eddie Chapman
Andrew Ammerlaan wrote: > On 12/09/2023 23:23, Eddie Chapman wrote: > >> Andrew Ammerlaan wrote: >>> >>> On 12 September 2023 21:47:31 CEST, Eddie Chapman >>> wrote: >>> Andreas K. Huettel wrote: > * You don't gain anything from using it instead of udev. > (Nobody does.)

Re: [gentoo-dev] last rites: sys-fs/eudev

2023-09-13 Thread Arsen Arsenović
Alexe Stefan writes: > It seems like the discussion got way off-topic. > To see where where at, I'll try to summarize what was said so far. > > The claims are that eudev is unmaintained upstream, downstream and has > open bugs. > Upstream, last commit was 3 weeks ago. Please, take into account

Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH 1/2] distutils-r1.eclass: teach setuptools to respect (some) build options

2023-09-13 Thread Eli Schwartz
On 9/13/23 9:10 AM, Michael Orlitzky wrote: > On Tue, 2023-09-12 at 22:52 -0400, Eli Schwartz wrote: >> >> Is portage generally expected to successfully complete (including >> internal metadata write stages) when its workdir drive runs out of space >> partway through? >> > > No, but I think what

Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH 1/2] distutils-r1.eclass: teach setuptools to respect (some) build options

2023-09-13 Thread Eli Schwartz
On 9/13/23 5:27 AM, Ulrich Mueller wrote: >> On Wed, 13 Sep 2023, Eli Schwartz wrote: > >>> "|| die" should also be added for the cat command. > >> Redirecting output to a file in a directory you have just guaranteed >> to exist cannot fail. > > That's a rather bold statement. I can imagine

Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH 1/2] distutils-r1.eclass: teach setuptools to respect (some) build options

2023-09-13 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On Tue, 2023-09-12 at 22:52 -0400, Eli Schwartz wrote: > > Is portage generally expected to successfully complete (including > internal metadata write stages) when its workdir drive runs out of space > partway through? > No, but I think what everyone else is forgetting to mention is that if

Re: [gentoo-dev] last rites: sys-fs/eudev

2023-09-13 Thread Alex Boag-Munroe
On Wed, 13 Sept 2023 at 10:34, Alexe Stefan wrote: > > It seems like the discussion got way off-topic. > To see where where at, I'll try to summarize what was said so far. > > The claims are that eudev is unmaintained upstream, downstream and has > open bugs. > Upstream, last commit was 3 weeks

Re: [gentoo-dev] last rites: sys-fs/eudev

2023-09-13 Thread Alexe Stefan
It seems like the discussion got way off-topic. To see where where at, I'll try to summarize what was said so far. The claims are that eudev is unmaintained upstream, downstream and has open bugs. Upstream, last commit was 3 weeks ago. Downstream, Orbea said he is willing to help maintain it. He

Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH 1/2] distutils-r1.eclass: teach setuptools to respect (some) build options

2023-09-13 Thread Ulrich Mueller
> On Wed, 13 Sep 2023, Eli Schwartz wrote: >> "|| die" should also be added for the cat command. > Redirecting output to a file in a directory you have just guaranteed > to exist cannot fail. That's a rather bold statement. I can imagine a number of possible failures, e.g. no space left on

Re: [gentoo-dev] last rites: sys-fs/eudev

2023-09-13 Thread Eddie Chapman
Eli Schwartz wrote: > On 9/12/23 3:47 PM, Eddie Chapman wrote: > >> Andreas K. Huettel wrote: >> >>> The eudev experiment has failed. >>> * It was false labeling from the start.[*] >>> * It's barely alive and not keeping up with udev upstream. >>> >> Why does it have to? It is advertised as a fork

Re: [gentoo-dev] last rites: sys-fs/eudev

2023-09-13 Thread Arve Barsnes
On Wed, 13 Sept 2023 at 09:55, Andrew Ammerlaan wrote: > And then another thing, how is it possible that so many people missed > the news item? They are displayed quite prominently I think, and emerge > will keep buggering you about it until it is marked as read. Just > wondering if there is

Re: [gentoo-dev] last rites: sys-fs/eudev

2023-09-13 Thread Dale
Andrew Ammerlaan wrote: > > And then another thing, how is it possible that so many people missed > the news item? They are displayed quite prominently I think, and > emerge will keep buggering you about it until it is marked as read. > Just wondering if there is something that can be improved

Re: [gentoo-dev] last rites: sys-fs/eudev

2023-09-13 Thread Andrew Ammerlaan
On 12/09/2023 23:23, Eddie Chapman wrote: Andrew Ammerlaan wrote: On 12 September 2023 21:47:31 CEST, Eddie Chapman wrote: Andreas K. Huettel wrote: * You don't gain anything from using it instead of udev. (Nobody does.) Is there only 1 tool for the job? Why do we have both the

Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH 1/2] distutils-r1.eclass: teach setuptools to respect (some) build options

2023-09-13 Thread Alexey Sokolov
13.09.2023 03:52, Eli Schwartz пишет: On 9/12/23 10:26 PM, Michał Górny wrote: On Tue, 2023-09-12 at 22:07 -0400, Eli Schwartz wrote: On 9/12/23 3:56 PM, Ulrich Mueller wrote: On Tue, 12 Sep 2023, Eli Schwartz wrote: + mkdir -p "${BUILD_DIR}" || die +

Re: [gentoo-dev] New bootstrap-prefix global USE-flag and patch to llvm.eclass

2023-09-13 Thread Alexey Sokolov
13.09.2023 07:22, Sam James пишет: Fabian Groffen writes: [[PGP Signed Part:Undecided]] On 12-09-2023 20:32:19 +0100, Alexey Sokolov wrote: Bug: https://bugs.gentoo.org/758167 Full PR is at https://github.com/gentoo/gentoo/pull/32730 Several LLVM packages require this early return,

Re: [gentoo-dev] last rites: sys-fs/eudev

2023-09-13 Thread Dale
Alexe Stefan wrote: > On 9/13/23, Dale wrote: >> Alexe Stefan wrote: >>> While my posts may be a little bit inflammatory, no one pointed out >>> where I'm wrong. >>> I don't hate gentoo, but I don't want choice to be taken away from users. >>> If we(the users) only respond to issues that

Re: [gentoo-dev] last rites: sys-fs/eudev

2023-09-13 Thread Alexe Stefan
On 9/13/23, Dale wrote: > Alexe Stefan wrote: >> >> While my posts may be a little bit inflammatory, no one pointed out >> where I'm wrong. >> I don't hate gentoo, but I don't want choice to be taken away from users. >> If we(the users) only respond to issues that individually impact us, >>

Re: [gentoo-dev] last rites: sys-fs/eudev

2023-09-13 Thread Dale
Alexe Stefan wrote: > > While my posts may be a little bit inflammatory, no one pointed out > where I'm wrong. > I don't hate gentoo, but I don't want choice to be taken away from users. > If we(the users) only respond to issues that individually impact us, > choice will be taken away from

Re: [gentoo-dev] New bootstrap-prefix global USE-flag and patch to llvm.eclass

2023-09-13 Thread Sam James
Fabian Groffen writes: > [[PGP Signed Part:Undecided]] > On 12-09-2023 20:32:19 +0100, Alexey Sokolov wrote: >> Bug: https://bugs.gentoo.org/758167 >> Full PR is at https://github.com/gentoo/gentoo/pull/32730 >> >> Several LLVM packages require this early return, otherwise they fail to >>

Re: [gentoo-dev] last rites: sys-fs/eudev

2023-09-13 Thread Alexe Stefan
To be clear, I don't say that devs shouldn't get paid. They should just be honest about who pays them to make changes.

Re: [gentoo-dev] New bootstrap-prefix global USE-flag and patch to llvm.eclass

2023-09-13 Thread Fabian Groffen
On 12-09-2023 20:32:19 +0100, Alexey Sokolov wrote: > Bug: https://bugs.gentoo.org/758167 > Full PR is at https://github.com/gentoo/gentoo/pull/32730 > > Several LLVM packages require this early return, otherwise they fail to > build on Darwin. I'll also need this USE-flag for >

Re: [gentoo-dev] last rites: sys-fs/eudev

2023-09-13 Thread Alexe Stefan
On 9/13/23, Eli Schwartz wrote: > On 9/13/23 1:03 AM, Alexe Stefan wrote: >> On 9/13/23, Eli Schwartz wrote: >>> On 9/13/23 12:35 AM, Alexe Stefan wrote: On 9/13/23, Matt Turner wrote: > On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 5:45 PM Alexe Stefan > wrote: >> Is it such a burden to make a