On 9/13/23, Eli Schwartz <eschwart...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 9/13/23 1:03 AM, Alexe Stefan wrote: >> On 9/13/23, Eli Schwartz <eschwart...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> On 9/13/23 12:35 AM, Alexe Stefan wrote: >>>> On 9/13/23, Matt Turner <matts...@gentoo.org> wrote: >>>>> On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 5:45 PM Alexe Stefan <stefanalex...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> Is it such a burden to make a couple of commits once in a while? >>>>> >>>>> I see no commits from your email address in gentoo.git, so that might >>>>> be a question for you. >>>>> >>>> >>>> I and plenty of others have their overlays. Should I try to get my >>>> ebuilds into ::gentoo? >>> >>> >>> That seems to be rather missing the point. Why are you going out of your >>> way to make a distinction between: >>> >>> - contributing ebuilds that would otherwise not be present in ::gentoo >>> at all >>> >>> - helping fix issues in existing ebuilds that are part of ::gentoo and >>> need to be kept in good working order >>> >>> Both are valid ways to demonstrate a commitment to collaboratively >>> improving the Gentoo project. The one you *didn't* mention is easier to >>> do, though, so I'd probably suggest trying that first. >>> >> >> I do open bugs and threads about various issues regarding packages, >> and propose solutions. Sometimes their gentoo maintainers agree, >> sometimes they don't. What else should I do? I don't have commit >> access. > > > I am not sure what you're saying here. If you don't have commit access, > how do you intend to get your ebuilds into ::gentoo? If you don't need > commit access to get your ebuilds into ::gentoo, then what's stopping > you from getting your patches against existing ebuilds into ::gentoo? > > Given that you were originally responding to Matt's remark that you have > no commits in ::gentoo associated with your email address, I am merely > pointing out that you are performing a bit of self-gatekeeping by > interpreting this as "my ebuilds" rather than "my code contributions". > > If you propose solutions, do you include a demonstration patch to apply > against ::gentoo that implements your proposed solution? Because that > would make it very easy to have those solutions become associated with > you. :) >
I didn't. Maybe I'll do that from now on. To make it clear, the only way for my contributions to make their way into gentoo is if a dev agrees with them. I do post workarounds and hacks in various places though, including various overlays. > >>>>>> How many commits were made in the last year to accommodate eudev? >>>>> >>>>> I'm not your monkey. >>>>> >>>>>> Regarding the bugs, what else did you expect when no news item was >>>>>> given? >>>>> >>>>> Right, we should have done something *else* to keep eudev going. >>>>> >>>>> Welcome to my killfile. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> Something I said in this thread struck a chord? >>> >>> >>> I think it's a very fair assessment to make that this thread is quite >>> hostile to the Gentoo Developers as a whole, and hostile behavior >>> towards the Gentoo Developers does indeed strike a chord. >>> >>> I am not completely sure why you find it important or desirable to >>> highlight the fact that you elicit strong negative emotions in others, >>> mind you. But I'm sure you have very good reasons for it. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Eli Schwartz >>> >>> >>> >> >> I don't think I said anything about you? >> I do not like to see choice being taken away for no good reason, >> especially in regards to such a contested topic. > > > And I don't like signing up to this mailing list in order to email in a > patch against ::gentoo to improve the speed of compilation for python > libraries and make them more easily tested and debuggable, and getting > my inbox filled with a bunch of yelling, hateful people who go around > insulting the hard work of the Gentoo Developers, complaining that they > didn't put in even MORE hard work, and figuratively screaming to the > heavens about how it's a conspiracy to deny choice. > > You, in particular, even admitted you don't use eudev! But you're still > more than happy to pontificate about how it's, I dunno, the most useful > thing since sliced bread, or so I assume from the absolute moaning and > wailing and gnashing of teeth about its removal. And you call it a > contested topic! Contested by people who don't use it and are only > contesting it in order to stir up trouble! > > And not content to stick with pontificating about how useful the > philosophical concept of choice between two copies of the same code with > different marketing names that you don't even use is, you have to > describe it as > > >> intentional crippling of systemd alternatives > > >> regardless of how much money changes hands > > > (???????) > > >> Do devs receive prizes based on how many useful packages they remove? >> Don't answer that, we all already know the answer. > > > (lmao) > > >> most of those bugs were listed in the mask comment just to >> increase the number of open bugs. > Since you specifically listed this as your last point of my "conspiracy theories", I suggest you read orbea's post again, pointing out how valid some of the bugs are and how others are being worked upon or are outdated. > > I start to wonder: given you appear to despise the Gentoo Project with > an almighty hatred, why do you use the darned thing anyway. It's a > conspiracy to torment you and deny you choice, the Developers are > getting secretly paid to remove packages that disagree with the New > World Order of systemd, blah blah blah. Clearly Gentoo just has it in > for you, so you'd better escape before it's too late. > > Can you please just not do this? > > > -- > Eli Schwartz > > > While my posts may be a little bit inflammatory, no one pointed out where I'm wrong. I don't hate gentoo, but I don't want choice to be taken away from users. If we(the users) only respond to issues that individually impact us, choice will be taken away from everyone eventually(unless it's the "right" choice as agreed by Lennart & co). It is called "divide and conquer". I do not hate gentoo. I want to see it offer as much choice as possible, not restrict it. I had to bear with systemd for some time before going to gentoo. I don't want that to happen again.
