Hello everybody!
As Gentoo approaches its 10th birthday I've been wondering how and where it is
used. We used to have some great stories from companies in the weekly
newsletter, but that one has become very dormant a while ago.
I'd like to collect your success stories, endorsements and case
On Sunday 20 September 2009 13:28:40 Richard Freeman wrote:
Ryan Hill wrote:
So, should we always keep a working EAPI 0 version around? If not, when
can we drop support for old EAPIs? Your opinions please.
You might want to define what you mean by dropping support for old
EAPIs? Do you
On Sunday 13 September 2009 13:30:13 Thomas Sachau wrote:
Richard Freeman schrieb:
Jesús Guerrero wrote:
Most Gentoo users will have no problem to use overlays as they need
them. If we had more developers we could as maintain more packages,
as simple as that.
I actually tend to agree
On Sunday 13 September 2009 21:03:13 Jesús Guerrero wrote:
On Sun, 13 Sep 2009 20:57:48 +0200, Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org
wrote:
First issue: How do I find out in which overlay stuff is?
http://gentoo.zapto.org/
That's not an official project, not mentioned in the layman docs afaik
Hi everyone,
as every year there's a FROSCON ( http://froscon.de/ ) happening, this time on
the weekend of the 22nd and 23rd of August in St.Augustin near Bonn, Germany.
From the last 2 years I can say that it's one of the most fun and geeky
conferences around, so better be there or you'll be
On Saturday 20 June 2009 21:00:46 Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Sat, 20 Jun 2009 20:40:17 +0200
Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote:
Have you thought about the security implications of this?
Yes.
How much do you trust the people running the overlays listed in
layman
The metadata cache is inert in the sense that it isn't executable
code (and if anyone tries to execute it ... You're doing it wrong
comes to mind), so adding it does not pessimize the situation.
But generating that cache means running code, and one of the things
that code could do is
Hello everybody,
those of us using overlays might have noticed that they can seriously slow
down dependency calculation. This is mostly because of the lack of a metadata
cache.
For overlay maintainers providing a metadata cache is quite tricky because to
be really consistent and useful it'd
On Saturday 20 June 2009 20:22:22 Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Sat, 20 Jun 2009 18:46:33 +0200
Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote:
Generating the metadata cache isn't that expensive - it took about 45
minutes to initially check out almost everything layman provided and
then about an hour
On Monday 08 June 2009 20:35:22 Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Mon, 08 Jun 2009 19:17:56 +0100
And how much developer time would be wasted to do so, and indeed has
already been wasted on this?
Thanks to emails like yours, lots.
5-2009, 800 emails
11.75% ciaran.mccreesh.googlemail.com
4-2009,
On Sunday 07 June 2009 11:34:12 Ulrich Mueller wrote:
On Sun, 07 Jun 2009, Steven J Long wrote:
I'd just like to know what the implications would be for users if we
kept the .ebuild extension, and a new PMS were rolled out stating
that the mangler were allowed to find the EAPI without
On Tuesday 02 June 2009 06:15:43 Doug Goldstein wrote:
All,
The current council meetings have gotten completely out of hand for
weeks meetings have become nothing more then a continuation of the
senseless bicker-fest that have become the e-mail threads on GLEP54,
GLEP55, and EAPI-3 without
On Monday 01 June 2009 16:29:35 Tomáš Chvátal wrote:
I agree with patrick nominees expect one addition. I add patrick himself to
prove us that he can not only do benchmarks but to force us to do them :D
Oh well then. I think I will have to accept your nomination and pour all my
ideas into a
.
hth,
Patrick
GLEP: xxx
Title: Ebuild format and metadata handling
Version: $Revision: 1.0 $
Last-Modified: $Date $
Author: Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org
Status: Draft
Type: Standards Track
Content-Type: text/x-rst
Obsoletes: GLEP55
Created: 31-May-2009
Post-History: 31-May-2009
Problem statement
On Friday 29 May 2009 04:12:04 Ryan Hill wrote:
On Thu, 28 May 2009 08:28:12 +0200
Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote:
This is becoming a rather lengthy email ping pong, but as people seem to
be unable to discuss things I had to highlight a few issues there.
I'm sorry to be rude
This is becoming a rather lengthy email ping pong, but as people seem to be
unable to discuss things I had to highlight a few issues there.
Short version:
- Try to avoid subjective statements. Statements like C++ feels better don't
add anything to the discussion and are objectively wrong for
On Thursday 28 May 2009 01:10:50 Piotr Jaroszyński wrote:
How is it one-way exactly? You can do pretty much anything you want in
a new EAPI (that's the point).
You cannot undo it.
In other words, you'll have to allow stupid filenames until the end of
times even if you are quite
On Thursday 28 May 2009 07:46:36 Tiziano Müller wrote:
And here is why (I'm only looking at the non-degenerated case with valid
metadata, ignoring overlays which some consider a corner case (I don't
understand that argument, but that's another thing)):
overlays tend to come without metadata.
On Thursday 28 May 2009 20:04:18 Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Thu, 28 May 2009 18:56:00 +0100
Roy Bamford neddyseag...@gentoo.org wrote:
As I understand this, it may add six seconds to an emerge world while
the dep tree is calculated. Lets say it takes an hour to do emerge
world, the time
On Thursday 28 May 2009 20:14:57 Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Thu, 28 May 2009 08:28:12 +0200
Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote:
- Try to avoid subjective statements. Statements like C++ feels
better don't add anything to the discussion and are objectively
wrong for me, so they have
You know, usually snipping away everything else is a bit evil because it
removes context, but in this case I just want to point out one or two little
pieces ...
I almost feel bad for writing so many emails to this list.
On Thursday 28 May 2009 20:48:45 Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
For example a
On Thursday 28 May 2009 21:26:43 Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Thu, 28 May 2009 21:19:35 +0200
Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote:
You know, usually snipping away everything else is a bit evil because
it removes context, but in this case I just want to point out one or
two little pieces
On Thursday 28 May 2009 21:52:49 Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Thu, 28 May 2009 21:46:48 +0200
Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote:
And just how do you plan to enforce that? What measures will you
take to ensure that there's no way for developers or users to
modify the repository?
I
On Wednesday 27 May 2009 22:57:25 Joe Peterson wrote:
Gentoo should not repeat the VHS vs Betamax war. For those who do not
remember, VHS was the better marketed but inferior technical solution
that won the standards war for domestic Video recorders.
:) Yep. And bad design decisions
On Thursday 28 May 2009 00:12:56 Piotr Jaroszyński wrote:
2009/5/27 Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org:
On Wednesday 27 May 2009 22:57:25 Joe Peterson wrote:
Gentoo should not repeat the VHS vs Betamax war. For those who do not
remember, VHS was the better marketed but inferior technical
On Sunday 24 May 2009 22:43:52 Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
Here, this sums up what's wrong with most of your cockamamy ideas (as
attractive, and oh so right, as they may seem to you now):
http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/taoup/html/ch01s07.html
To paraphrase you: Go and read it and don't
On Sunday 24 May 2009 23:22:21 Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Sun, 24 May 2009 23:16:13 +0200
Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote:
Okay, yes, Mr. Long was quite rude there (trying to fight fire with
fire I guess). But in this case you're discussing rather subjective
things again (how often
On Monday 18 May 2009 20:19:24 Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Mon, 18 May 2009 20:05:51 +0200
Maciej Mrozowski reave...@poczta.fm wrote:
That's not in the least bit well defined, and it's also extremely
dangerous.
Please elaborate on that.
With Portage's soft blocks, there's no guarantee
On Monday 18 May 2009 21:20:10 Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Mon, 18 May 2009 21:08:25 +0200
Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote:
In terms of the on-disk result it's invariant, the result is what
you'd expect. There are intermediate stages that are inconsistent /
unclean
On Sunday 17 May 2009 06:43:50 Richard Freeman wrote:
Duncan wrote:
So I believe the cost to be quite reasonably managed, after all.
Benchmarks would of course be needed to demonstrate that, but I believe
it worth pursuing.
I thought we had agreed that (1) with GLEP55 you have to source the
On Sunday 17 May 2009 18:35:29 Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
Please stop wasting everyone's time.
Yes, please do. Your replies are full of emotional arguments and ad hominem
attacks. If you are unable to keep to the technical aspects of a discussion
you should reconsider answering to every email
For quite some time (over a year, actually) we've been discussing the
mysterious and often misunderstood GLEP55.
[http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/glep/glep-0055.html]
The proposed solution to a problem that is never refined, in short, is to add
the EAPI into the ebuild filename to make things
On Thursday 14 May 2009 21:20:18 Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Thu, 14 May 2009 13:17:24 -0600
RB aoz@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 13:11, Ciaran McCreesh
ciaran.mccre...@googlemail.com wrote:
Please explain why you claimed GLEP 55 makes things slower. Until
you answer
On Thursday 14 May 2009 23:53:37 Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Thu, 14 May 2009 16:49:09 -0500
William Hubbs willi...@gentoo.org wrote:
The second solution seems to be the better one because it does not go
against standards. For example, we see extentions like .c, .py and
.pl, instead of
[Snip]
Maybe you just want Sunrise in the main tree instead of as a dedicated,
supervised overlay. There were people with VERY strong feelings against
Sunrise, to the point I believe at least one dev opposing it resigned
over it
Yes, one did. Some people just need a good excuse to leave :)
On Thursday 09 April 2009 16:37:55 Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Thu, 09 Apr 2009 04:12:02 +0300
Mart Raudsepp l...@gentoo.org wrote:
It is quite irresponsible to enable that by default for the FULL user
base, given the state of the tree in regards to it
Which is why we are not talking about
Hi all,
with the discussion about EAPI3 we have now 4 (or 7, depending on how you
count them ;) ) EAPIs available or almost available. This is getting quite
confusing.
To make our lives easier I would suggest deprecating EAPI0 and migrating
existing ebuilds over some time to EAPI1 or higher
On Saturday 21 March 2009 21:21:47 Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Sat, 21 Mar 2009 18:37:12 +0100
Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote:
To make our lives easier I would suggest deprecating EAPI0 and
migrating existing ebuilds over some time to EAPI1 or higher until
EAPI0 can be obsoleted
On Saturday 21 March 2009 21:55:20 Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Sat, 21 Mar 2009 21:53:16 +0100
Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote:
Because, as you have noticed before, developers get confused which
eapi has which features available. And eapi1 is a superset of eapi0,
so we don't have
On Saturday 21 March 2009 22:26:41 Alec Warner wrote:
Introducing a policy encouraging moving things that definitely
aren't in the least bit likely to be a system dep on a bump, sure.
Making 1 or 2 the default for new packages, sure. But rewriting
existing things? That's just an
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 21:51:11 -0700
Alec Warner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Despite our best efforts Gentoo is not a fun-loving community where
everyone gets along.
Actually, I'd say that's a fairly accurate description of the problem.
Some people think Gentoo
On Saturday 14 June 2008 11:53:51 Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote:
What's the need for a GLEP covering live ebuilds and what's wrong with
- ebuilds? I made myself that question when GLEP54 was submitted and
during the initial discussion. At that time, I wasn't convinced of the
need for
On Saturday 14 June 2008 14:11:12 Bernd Steinhauser wrote:
That's what metadata is there for. And ebuilds don't mind carrying a bit
more ... after all it's just one line of text.
So, what you want to do is to read every ebuild, if you want to find all
live ebuilds?
Metadata cache. It's
emerge -C @kde-svn
emerge @kde-svn
that should suffice.
I don't see that working for something like, say, python or glibc.
No need, emerge @kde-svn will re-merge all packages in the set by default. So
unmerging isn't needed and it just works.
--
gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 09:30:54 +0530
Arun Raghavan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And why do you have to be plain insulting about it? Nobody can
magically spot every single bug in any piece of code presented to
them. In fact it's why the given enough eyes ... adage is one of
Fernando J. Pereda wrote:
Just to pour some oil on the flames -
Then don't do it. You are doing a very bad marketing for the pkgcore
guys with your whinnings.
Dude. Shut up.
I'm not a pkgcore guy. If anything I'm a portage supporter. That I
accidentally host pkgcore.org doesn't mean I'm
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 11:16:31 +0200
Patrick Lauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes, we are aware of that bug in a feature we consider highly
experimental.
Hmm, I'd have guessed config files are moderately relevant.
You didn't notice the large warning telling
Bernd Steinhauser wrote:
Luca Barbato schrieb:
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
The point is to make pkgcore a better package manager by getting the
developers to do some basic testing. We're not talking some obscure,
weird bug here. We're talking a really obvious, major screwup that a
couple of quick
Doug Goldstein wrote:
Let's try to aim to do an EAPI=2 sometime soonish since Portage now
has USE flag depends in version 2.2 which is looming on the horizon.
It'd be nice to hit the ground running with supporting these. I know
it'll be trivial for the Paludis and pkgcore guys to make this
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Thu, 03 Apr 2008 13:17:51 +0100
Mike Auty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
| Signing offers no protection against a malicious developer.
I had envisaged a system whereby when the tree was synced, as was some
kind of master signed list of all
Mike Auty wrote:
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
|
| Signing offers no protection against a malicious developer.
|
I had envisaged a system whereby when the tree was synced, as was some
kind of master signed list of all acceptable dev-keys. Every package
would also be signed, and would only be
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Thu, 03 Apr 2008 14:29:10 +0200
Patrick Lauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Nope. In fact, using such a system, there are ways of getting in
code that doesn't get triggered until someone's key gets
invalidated.
By this reasoning you shouldn't use passwords
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Thu, 03 Apr 2008 14:44:45 +0200
Patrick Lauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
and then, from that design space, select the option(s) that have the
best behaviour. If you get bored you can read the not-yet-GLEPs
robbat2 has written with the help of a few others, which
Anders Ossowicki wrote:
On 31/03/2008, *Thilo Bangert* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Please think things through before asking to have pkgcore's bugs
'fixed' via specification next time...
maybe my english language skills or social interaction qualities are
On Thu, 2006-08-03 at 18:21 +0200, Carsten Lohrke wrote:
The difference is that I argue, while you accuse me to play false. I consider
this as ad hominem and together with all this FUD and BS calling, in
contrary to my email, inflammatory.
... and that is inflammatory :-)
I'd appreciate,
On Thu, 2006-08-03 at 19:03 +0200, Simon Stelling wrote:
Jakub Moc wrote:
Broken bugzilla affects every ebuild dev, affects GDP, affects bug
wranglers, affects anyone else who's using it to track outstanding
project issues. How is this continuous borkage not a global issue that
council
On Thu, 2006-08-03 at 13:20 +, Alec Warner wrote:
No, not really. Just that I'd expect kinda more proactive approach than
the one demonstrated fex. in
http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=128588#c29 (and a bit more
flexible approach to other alternatives, such as HW/hosting offers
On Thu, 2006-08-03 at 13:48 -0500, Lance Albertson wrote:
Patrick Lauer wrote:
(Note to our sponsors: you rock. Keep on rocking.)
Right now bugs is served from a 2,4Ghz P4 - that's roughly a normal
desktop box from last year.
You have no concept of where the bottle neck is.
I have
On Mon, 2006-07-31 at 09:54 -0400, Michael Crute wrote:
Sorry to start yet another thread on this but all the others seem to
have just turned into a shouting match among developers... and sorry
if this has already been covered.
It seems that the most logical solution to the Sunrise problem
On Mon, 2006-07-31 at 16:48 -0400, Ned Ludd wrote:
[snip]
patrick (nope)
I'm the alternative. Vote well or you'll have to live with me :-)
I hope that this motivates _everyone_ to vote ...
On a more serious note, I hope this mailinglist doesn't degenerate into
a political campaign. To
On Sat, 2006-07-01 at 02:46 -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote:
well it's about that time of the year ... time for nominating people
for the next Gentoo Council
So here's my nominations:
Flameeyes
brix
lu_zero
kosmikus
Stuart
jakub
marienz
patrick
--
Stand still, and let the rest of the
On Fri, 2006-06-23 at 21:38 -0500, Lance Albertson wrote:
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Fri, 23 Jun 2006 18:14:12 +0200 Patrick Lauer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
| Just to take this to a humorous extreme -
| would you be content if sunrise ceased all operations?
That's not a humourous
On Fri, 2006-06-23 at 22:18 +1000, Andrew Cowie wrote:
On Fri, 2006-06-23 at 06:50 -0500, Joshua Nichols wrote:
OK, so - java folks, please, take your java migration overlay bugs
somewhere else from bugzilla.
The gentoo-java developers have been working their tails off for over a
year
On Mon, 2006-06-19 at 07:37 -0400, Caleb Tennis wrote:
I'd like to propose some form of ability to post user comments to GWN
stories. I suppose a full blown CMS system would work,
(Ab)using a blog for that might work
but for the ease
of time I'm suggesting that perhaps we open up a GWN
. Reliability. The GWN claims to be a weekly publication, yet it
frequently fails to publish without prior warning. There was no edition
this week, and Patrick Lauer says that it is unknown whether there
will be an edition next week as Ulrich Plate is AWOL.
We have tried to get a backup structure
On Sat, 2006-06-10 at 11:37 -0400, Alec Warner wrote:
Have the GWN posted to -core in a sane time period prior to it's
release. I seriously doubt anyone cares about whether the publication
is always on time (whatever that may be).
So what would a sane time period be? 12h? 24h?
The problem
On Thu, 2006-06-08 at 20:06 -0400, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
You don't need a subversion client, you perhaps notice the http in front
of the url.. just open it up in your browser and you get the source
immediately.
Umm... so now I need to go and instead of clicking a nice link in
bugzilla,
On Fri, 2006-06-09 at 16:14 -0400, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
Since when was overlays.gentoo.org supposed to even be a service to our
users? As I understand it, the goal was to ease development, not to
provide an easy method for half-working ebuilds to make it to our user's
machines.
What's
On Fri, 2006-05-19 at 22:03 -0400, Ned Ludd wrote:
If there is anything you or genone need to make signing happening you
have to the full support of the
council
That should not be difficult if the proposal is discussed and accepted
by all other groups
infra
it should be non-invasive and
On Sat, 2006-05-20 at 10:13 +0200, Thierry Carrez wrote:
Patrick Lauer wrote:
Signing strategies
==
Once there is an agreement on what files to sign with what kind of keys
there remains the question how to sign it. There are at least three
strategies:
[...]
I
On Fri, 2006-05-19 at 10:46 +0100, Chris Bainbridge wrote:
The only attack most people really care about is a compromised rsync
server. There is no practical way to protect against the other attacks
- and at the end of the day, if a developer gets compromised it
doesn't matter whether it's a
On Fri, 2006-05-19 at 15:13 +0100, Chris Bainbridge wrote:
There are now several hundred gentoo developers. It is more likely
that one of them has a security lapse than cvs.gentoo.org.
One is a local bug, the other one global.
I'd prefer a system that is resilient against two devs going crazy -
On Thu, 2006-05-18 at 14:54 -0500, Mike Doty wrote:
Developer relations has started a discussion about how to handle
etiquette problems on public communication channels. The discussion is
currently taking place on the gentoo-devrel mailing list. This list is
public and we appreciate anyone
Hello all,
I flood you again with a long email. Apologies to all that don't
want to read so much, but it is a problem of rather high importance that
has not really been fixed, and the first discussions happened in 2003 as
far as I can tell. Time to FIX IT!!!
The problem, in short, is how to
On Tue, 2006-05-02 at 08:50 -0700, Ryan Phillips wrote:
Patrick,
did you benchmark CPU load? Often bzip2 takes 3x as long to
uncompress a package than bzip. Often, the space savings doesn't
justify the cost of how long it takes for the cpu to decompress the
archive.
I did not compare
On Sun, 2006-04-30 at 22:36 -0500, Jon Hood wrote:
Hey Patrick,
I agree, tar.bz2 is the way to go when possible, but I have many
friends on old bsd-based systems and some old linux boxes I must
maintain that don't have bzip2 support. Normally if I know a package I
write is going to need
Hi all,
I had this random idea that many of our distfiles are .tar.gz while more
efficient compression methods exist. So I did some testing for fun:
We have ~15k .tar.gz in distfiles. ~6500 .tar.bz2, ~2000 others.
A short run over 477 distfiles spanning 833M gave me 586M of .tar.bz2 -
roughly
On Sun, 2006-04-30 at 10:30 -0700, Robin H. Johnson wrote:
On Sun, Apr 30, 2006 at 06:30:23PM +0200, Patrick Lauer wrote:
We have ~15k .tar.gz in distfiles. ~6500 .tar.bz2, ~2000 others.
A short run over 477 distfiles spanning 833M gave me 586M of .tar.bz2 -
roughly 30% more efficient
On Wed, 2006-04-26 at 15:55 -0400, Kevin wrote:
Which is it, Chris?
You've taken that out of context ...
Make up your mind...
I think he has, but wasn't able to communicate his ideas to you in an adequte
way
For all the credit that I give to the Gentoo developers, you are one
from whom I
On Fri, 2006-04-07 at 11:33 +0200, Grobian wrote:
Maybe user-rel should, together with GWN bridge this problem by keeping
the source of news anonymous? Just to use it as teasers of what kind of
things are being done in Gentoo's kitchen?
Of course this only holds for new projects like in your
tvali,
This does not have anything to do with portage development. While I
appreciate your concerns and ideas I must ask you to stop abusing this
mailinglist. Things like this off-topic email and the thread where you
replied four times to yourself are not good form and should be avoided
(unless
On Wed, 2006-03-22 at 19:40 +0200, tvali wrote:
I was thinking about it, too, and found something i do like maybe
more. It would be not binary, but code dependancy. This is limited to
specific languages, then, but after all, there may also be different
binary dependencies, too [for example,
On Sun, 2006-03-19 at 15:24 +0100, Matthias Langer wrote:
I'm just curious: What is the reason that firefox-1.5.x is still in
~arch ?
Looking at bugreports it seems that firefox 1.5 has - at least on some systems
- quite serious issues.
Some users report excessive memory usage, I've masked it
On Thu, 2006-03-02 at 09:01 +, Stuart Herbert wrote:
[snip]
* There's nothing in this policy about end users. If this QA team is
not *focused* on delivering benefit to end users, then (as has
happened this week) it becomes a self-serving team, focused instead on
what can only be described
Hi all,
at FOSDEM we had a nice discussion about languages, translations etc.
Having people from the US (wolf31o2) who never have problems and people
from Japan (usata) who always have problems with encodings /
charsets / ... was quite interesting.
During that discussion we realized that having
On Tue, 2006-02-28 at 13:50 +0100, Lars Weiler wrote:
* Patrick Lauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] [06/02/28 11:58 +0100]:
Enabling the unicode useflag in the profiles should help our
international users and should not cause any problems. Are there any
known bugs / problems this would trigger? Any
On Tue, 2006-02-28 at 14:52 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 10:38:17 +0100 Jakub Moc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| You still haven't posted posted a *single example* of webapp-config
| brokeness. You, I'd say you should either back up claims about all
| the ways in which
On Tue, 2006-02-28 at 15:42 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 16:26:37 +0100 Jakub Moc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| If you can't do any better, then please apologize for your conduct
| and false claims and shut up... TIA.
Sure I can do better. But you didn't originally ask for
On Tue, 2006-02-28 at 17:38 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
Sheesh, you'll probably claim that this isn't broken next too:
if [ ${IS_UPGRADE} = 1 ] ; then
einfo Removing old version ${REMOVE_PKG}
emerge -C ${REMOVE_PKG}
fi
Ciaran,
(and this is valid for all emails to
On Tue, 2006-02-28 at 18:19 +, Stephen Bennett wrote:
On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 18:59:49 +0100
Patrick Lauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
(and this is valid for all emails to technical lists,)
please save us some time and many emails by stating what is wrong when
you show a QA violation
On Tue, 2006-02-28 at 16:14 -0600, Grant Goodyear wrote:
So, back to the big issue, are there any real complaints about the QA
team essentially formulating QA policy? Should new QA policies instead
follow the same rules as new global USE flags or eclasses--an e-mail to
-dev asking for
On Tue, 2006-02-28 at 22:50 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 23:42:34 +0100 Patrick Lauer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
| (We'll file bugs on Saturday if there are no objections to removal
| of mkdir in global scope)
Eek no. Have you any idea what happens when someone shoves
Hi all,
as you might have read in the GWN already we're going to be present at
FOSDEM [1] in Brussels next weekend, February 25 and 26. Sunday will
feature some talks by devs in our own devroom, Saturday will be limited
to a small booth as there aren't enough devrooms.
The talks [2] include
Hi all,
as the debate about the future direction of Gentoo continues it's
getting more and more obvious to me that there's a lack of information
skewing the debate. It seems that while most devs (and users) have a
good idea what's happening in their projects it's quite difficult to
see what is
On Wed, 2006-01-04 at 09:04 -0800, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
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Patrick Lauer wrote:
| Hi all,
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| I recently ran into an interesting problem:
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| One app I have seems to trigger a bug in Python 2.4, so I want to use it
| with Python 2.3
On Mon, 2006-01-02 at 12:50 -0600, Lance Albertson wrote:
A mission statement only goes so far. The underlying leadership has to
make sure that statement is upheld and kept alive. Too many folks have a
mission statement, but no one ever remembers what it is or abides by it.
I guess there isn't
Hi all,
I'm wondering if there is an easy way to get a keyring with all
developer gpg keys pushed to users.
I know that carpaski had at one point put such a keyring online, but it
hasn't been maintained.
So right now you'd have to go through the website (fetch the keys from
the roll-call page
On Mon, 2006-01-02 at 20:49 +0100, Grobian wrote:
On 02-01-2006 20:03:54 +0100, Patrick Lauer wrote:
On Mon, 2006-01-02 at 12:50 -0600, Lance Albertson wrote:
I guess I'm almost hinting at that Gentoo needs a single entity that's
sole purpose is to drive/research the direction and goals
On Mon, 2006-01-02 at 15:03 -0600, Lance Albertson wrote:
Lance mentioned something about what he sees is a niche where Gentoo
does quite well. Produce the best software distribution, ever sounds
a bit vague to me. That's why I agree with Lance for now. Maybe after
a little research,
On Mon, 2005-12-19 at 11:44 -0800, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
Hi all,
I know some of you have done research on how gentoo-x86 converts over to
other systems besides CVS such as SVN, arch, etc. But I can't find the
info anywhere in my archives.
Could whoever's got it, post it?
I'm
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