Re: [gentoo-dev] EAPI 6 portage is out!

Hi, On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 07:01:21 -0500 Rich Freeman wrote: > On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 6:12 AM, Alexander Berntsen > wrote: > > When I do QA in projects I'm involved with (at least outside of > > Gentoo), we don't do it live on end-user systems. I'll leave the > > details as

Re: [gentoo-dev] EAPI 6 portage is out!

On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 1:51 PM, Andrew Savchenko wrote: > > On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 07:01:21 -0500 Rich Freeman wrote: >> On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 6:12 AM, Alexander Berntsen >> wrote: >> > When I do QA in projects I'm involved with (at least outside of >> >

Re: [gentoo-dev] EAPI 6 portage is out!

On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 4:39 AM, Patrick Lauer wrote: > > On 11/18/2015 01:01 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: >> On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 6:12 AM, Alexander Berntsen >> wrote: >>> When I do QA in projects I'm involved with (at least outside of >>> Gentoo), we

Re: [gentoo-dev] EAPI 6 portage is out!

On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 11:47:01 -0500 Rich Freeman wrote: > On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 10:10 AM, Brian Dolbec > wrote: > > On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 06:59:19 -0500 > > Rich Freeman wrote: > > It is a bit ironic that you chose this as the part to

Re: [gentoo-dev] EAPI 6 portage is out!

On 11/18/2015 01:01 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 6:12 AM, Alexander Berntsen > wrote: >> When I do QA in projects I'm involved with (at least outside of >> Gentoo), we don't do it live on end-user systems. I'll leave the >> details as an exercise for

Re: [gentoo-dev] EAPI 6 portage is out!

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 11/18/2015 04:06 AM, Alexander Berntsen wrote: > On 18/11/15 13:01, Rich Freeman wrote: >> People who run ~arch are not really end-users - they're >> contributors who have volunteered to test packages. > We are talking about people who run

Re: [gentoo-dev] EAPI 6 portage is out!

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 11/18/2015 01:54 AM, Raymond Jennings wrote: > On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 1:25 AM, Alexander Berntsen > > wrote: > > On 18/11/15 08:25, Ulrich Mueller wrote: >> - If you mix stable and unstable then

Re: [gentoo-dev] EAPI 6 portage is out!

On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 06:59:19 -0500 Rich Freeman wrote: > On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 6:05 AM, Ulrich Mueller > wrote: > > > > And on what basis would you stabilise Portage, when there are no > > ebuilds in the tree to test its EAPI 6 code? > > > > As long as

Re: [gentoo-dev] EAPI 6 portage is out!

On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 10:10 AM, Brian Dolbec wrote: > On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 06:59:19 -0500 > Rich Freeman wrote: > >> Actually, what is less clear to me is how portage versioning actually >> works, or if we attach any meaning to the version numbers at all. >>

Re: [gentoo-dev] EAPI 6 portage is out!

Am Mittwoch, 18. November 2015, 12:12:05 schrieb Alexander Berntsen: > On 18/11/15 12:05, Ulrich Mueller wrote: > > Only that there is no real difference to the existing situation > > when mixing stable and unstable. It is not guaranteed that all > > dependencies of an unstable package are stable,

Re: [gentoo-dev] EAPI 6 portage is out!

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 18/11/15 02:25 AM, Ulrich Mueller wrote: >> On Tue, 17 Nov 2015, Michael Orlitzky wrote: > >> It doesn't seem that unlikely to me... > >> 1. Otherwise stable system with package "foo" keyworded as >> ~arch. > >> 2. foo needs some

Re: [gentoo-dev] EAPI 6 portage is out!

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 > And, as a developer maintaining bar in #3 above, you should make > sure that either the stable version satisfies all rdeps (even those > in ~arch), or you don't remove the EAPI5 ~arch version until all the > rdeps are EAPI6. > > Theoretically

Re: [gentoo-dev] EAPI 6 portage is out!

On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 7:06 AM, Alexander Berntsen wrote: > We are talking about people who run Gentoo stable who need to > keyword several specific packages because the lack of manpower > leads to Gentoo stable by itself not being very usable for most > people. > In this

Re: [gentoo-dev] EAPI 6 portage is out!

> On Wed, 18 Nov 2015, Alexander Berntsen wrote: > On 18/11/15 08:25, Ulrich Mueller wrote: >> - If you mix stable and unstable then you are by definition an >> advanced user, who will be able to cope with the situation. :) > This attitude is shitty, and I am willing to wager a really big >

Re: [gentoo-dev] EAPI 6 portage is out!

On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 6:12 AM, Alexander Berntsen wrote: > When I do QA in projects I'm involved with (at least outside of > Gentoo), we don't do it live on end-user systems. I'll leave the > details as an exercise for the Gentoo developer. > People who run ~arch are not

Re: [gentoo-dev] EAPI 6 portage is out!

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 18/11/15 12:59, Rich Freeman wrote: > Actually, what is less clear to me is how portage versioning > actually works, or if we attach any meaning to the version numbers > at all. The higher number is the newer version. - -- Alexander

Re: [gentoo-dev] EAPI 6 portage is out!

On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 6:05 AM, Ulrich Mueller wrote: > > And on what basis would you stabilise Portage, when there are no > ebuilds in the tree to test its EAPI 6 code? > As long as the EAPI6 code in the new portage is no more broken than the EAPI6 code in the current stable

Re: [gentoo-dev] EAPI 6 portage is out!

> On Wed, 18 Nov 2015, Alexander Berntsen wrote: >> And on what basis would you stabilise Portage, when there are no >> ebuilds in the tree to test its EAPI 6 code? > When I do QA in projects I'm involved with (at least outside of > Gentoo), we don't do it live on end-user systems. I'll

Re: [gentoo-dev] EAPI 6 portage is out!

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 18/11/15 13:01, Rich Freeman wrote: > People who run ~arch are not really end-users - they're > contributors who have volunteered to test packages. We are talking about people who run Gentoo stable who need to keyword several specific packages

Re: [gentoo-dev] EAPI 6 portage is out!

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 18/11/15 12:05, Ulrich Mueller wrote: > Only that there is no real difference to the existing situation > when mixing stable and unstable. It is not guaranteed that all > dependencies of an unstable package are stable, so already now > users may

Re: [gentoo-dev] EAPI 6 portage is out!

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 18/11/15 12:23, Ulrich Mueller wrote: > That sort of QA should take place before making a new Portage > relaese. I was talking about marking it stable, though. The problem we are talking about isn't making sure Portage's EAPI 6 support is bug

Re: [gentoo-dev] EAPI 6 portage is out!

On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 1:25 AM, Alexander Berntsen wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA512 > > On 18/11/15 08:25, Ulrich Mueller wrote: > > - If you mix stable and unstable then you are by definition an > > advanced user, who will be able to cope with the

Re: [gentoo-dev] EAPI 6 portage is out!

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 18/11/15 08:25, Ulrich Mueller wrote: > - If you mix stable and unstable then you are by definition an > advanced user, who will be able to cope with the situation. :) This attitude is shitty, and I am willing to wager a really big bunch of

Re: [gentoo-dev] EAPI 6 portage is out!

Am Mittwoch, 18. November 2015, 10:25:23 schrieb Alexander Berntsen: > On 18/11/15 08:25, Ulrich Mueller wrote: > > - If you mix stable and unstable then you are by definition an > > advanced user, who will be able to cope with the situation. :) > > This attitude is shitty, and I am willing to

Re: [gentoo-dev] EAPI 6 portage is out!

On 11/17/2015 05:09 PM, Michał Górny wrote: > Fellow Developers! > > I have the pleasure to announce that portage-2.2.25 has just been > committed and it comes with complete EAPI 6 support. This effectively > means that from this moment forward Gentoo developers are permitted to > commit EAPI 6

Re: [gentoo-dev] EAPI 6 portage is out!

On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 5:45 PM, Michael Orlitzky wrote: > For developers, is my stable version of repoman smart enough to make > sure I don't break any dependencies in this way? As a developer, please run the latest ~arch version of repoman at the very least.

Re: [gentoo-dev] EAPI 6 portage is out!

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 17/11/15 05:45 PM, Michael Orlitzky wrote: > On 11/17/2015 05:09 PM, Michał Górny wrote: >> Fellow Developers! >> >> I have the pleasure to announce that portage-2.2.25 has just >> been committed and it comes with complete EAPI 6 support. This

Re: [gentoo-dev] EAPI 6 portage is out!

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On Tue, 17 Nov 2015 23:09:34 +0100 Michał Górny wrote: > Fellow Developers! > > I have the pleasure to announce that portage-2.2.25 has just been > committed and it comes with complete EAPI 6 support. This effectively > means

Re: [gentoo-dev] EAPI 6 portage is out!

On 11/17/2015 08:04 PM, Ian Stakenvicius wrote: > > If your PM doesn't support EAPI6, then those ebuilds will be ignored > just as if they do not exist. It is plenty safe. There can be > issues if EAPI5 or older ~arch packages start -needing- EAPI6-only > ~arch dependencies, but so long as

Re: [gentoo-dev] EAPI 6 portage is out!

On Tue, 17 Nov 2015 20:20:26 -0500 NP-Hardass wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA256 > > On Tue, 17 Nov 2015 23:09:34 +0100 > Michał Górny wrote: > > > Fellow Developers! > > > > I have the pleasure to announce that portage-2.2.25

Re: [gentoo-dev] EAPI 6 portage is out!

> On Tue, 17 Nov 2015, Michael Orlitzky wrote: > It doesn't seem that unlikely to me... > 1. Otherwise stable system with package "foo" keyworded as ~arch. > 2. foo needs some dependency of a dependency named "bar". > 3. The bar maintainer revbumps and removes the old EAPI=5 ebuild.

[gentoo-dev] EAPI 6 portage is out!

Fellow Developers! I have the pleasure to announce that portage-2.2.25 has just been committed and it comes with complete EAPI 6 support. This effectively means that from this moment forward Gentoo developers are permitted to commit EAPI 6 ebuilds to ~arch. Some quick notes: 1. Remember that